The choice is get rid of a rare talented player who has had success in this league but is also a hard personality to manage...OR....get rid of a coach who has had succes with 1 out of 3 NBA teams he has coached and cannot find a winning formula unless his roster fits perfectly with what he tries to do, even if said roster is exceptionally talented and balanced. Oh, and the coach also doesn't communicate with his players (from everything that has been reported).
I say try with a different coach. Not saying it will turn Melo into what we all want him to be, but maybe the new guy will hold him and the rest of the team accountable when they continue to make the same mistakes that cost us games.
MDA seems like a very likable guy...which is probably his downfall. He's a nice guy, players coach. Doesn't like confrontation, doesn't hold players accountable. If we could all turn back the clock to 2008 and went harder for Thibodeau we all probably would. Let Woodson finish the year off, and go hard for Sloan or PJax, coaches that command respect, preach D, and will bench and get in players faces.
First of all, you must consider this decision to ways: business wise and basketball wise.
Business wise it's a no brainer that you keep Melo and fire D'Antoni.
Basketball wise some might say the above is still a no brainer but I think you have to consider the constant amount of times this man has been outcoached. I rather deal with having to force a player to play defense, not force a coach to coach it. Being a coach consists of more of just being able to construct a nice offensive plan. He can't adapt, he can't communicate, he's not developing anyone on the mental aspects of the game. I think you try this roster with someone who knows what the hell they are doing and if the same Melo problems still exists well then they will be clear as day and he will have no excuses for his actions and you get rid of him.
ATrain wrote:First of all, you must consider this decision to ways: business wise and basketball wise.Business wise it's a no brainer that you keep Melo and fire D'Antoni.
Basketball wise some might say the above is still a no brainer but I think you have to consider the constant amount of times this man has been outcoached. I rather deal with having to force a player to play defense, not force a coach to coach it. Being a coach consists of more of just being able to construct a nice offensive plan. He can't adapt, he can't communicate, he's not developing anyone on the mental aspects of the game. I think you try this roster with someone who knows what the hell they are doing and if the same Melo problems still exists well then they will be clear as day and he will have no excuses for his actions and you get rid of him.
Look how long it took for him to insert Jeremy Lin into the Knicks lineup..."But it would destroy Toney Douglas confidence!!!" LOLOL
I thought it was gonna be closer. So far not many believe in Melo.
MSG3 wrote:The choice is get rid of a rare talented player who has had success in this league but is also a hard personality to manage...OR....get rid of a coach who has had succes with 1 out of 3 NBA teams he has coached and cannot find a winning formula unless his roster fits perfectly with what he tries to do, even if said roster is exceptionally talented and balanced. Oh, and the coach also doesn't communicate with his players (from everything that has been reported).I say try with a different coach. Not saying it will turn Melo into what we all want him to be, but maybe the new guy will hold him and the rest of the team accountable when they continue to make the same mistakes that cost us games.
what success? Melo = TMac
Please elaborate why this guy is coveted piece
Knicksfan wrote:I thought it was gonna be closer. So far not many believe in Melo.
Its like putting a presidential poll on a republican site. Works like a charm 
Gee - most people want a republican president - go figure ...
I think we need to think out of the box on this one and fire someone else. What's Herb Williams done for us lately?
BasketballJones wrote:I think we need to think out of the box on this one and fire someone else. What's Herb Williams done for us lately?
He is the Boxing Out instructor. Leave him alone - he's kewl
BasketballJones wrote:I think we need to think out of the box on this one and fire someone else. What's Herb Williams done for us lately?
If that is the case, he is not a good choice for head coach. He prolly doesn't know Amare's name.
fishmike wrote:MSG3 wrote:The choice is get rid of a rare talented player who has had success in this league but is also a hard personality to manage...OR....get rid of a coach who has had succes with 1 out of 3 NBA teams he has coached and cannot find a winning formula unless his roster fits perfectly with what he tries to do, even if said roster is exceptionally talented and balanced. Oh, and the coach also doesn't communicate with his players (from everything that has been reported).I say try with a different coach. Not saying it will turn Melo into what we all want him to be, but maybe the new guy will hold him and the rest of the team accountable when they continue to make the same mistakes that cost us games.
what success? Melo = TMacPlease elaborate why this guy is coveted piece
He's lead the league in scoring, been to the playoffs every year and reached a WCF. He also won a National Title and Olympic Gold Medal while being widely regarded as one of the most valuable players on that team. What has D'Antoni done in his career? Loser in Denver, Loser in NY and a winner in Phoenix with the best PG of all time arguably.
Not defending Melo's actions of late, but he can be coached and can play at a very high level. D'Antoni doesn't have as good of a track record.
MSG3 wrote:fishmike wrote:MSG3 wrote:The choice is get rid of a rare talented player who has had success in this league but is also a hard personality to manage...OR....get rid of a coach who has had succes with 1 out of 3 NBA teams he has coached and cannot find a winning formula unless his roster fits perfectly with what he tries to do, even if said roster is exceptionally talented and balanced. Oh, and the coach also doesn't communicate with his players (from everything that has been reported).I say try with a different coach. Not saying it will turn Melo into what we all want him to be, but maybe the new guy will hold him and the rest of the team accountable when they continue to make the same mistakes that cost us games.
what success? Melo = TMacPlease elaborate why this guy is coveted piece
He's lead the league in scoring, been to the playoffs every year and reached a WCF. He also won a National Title and Olympic Gold Medal while being widely regarded as one of the most valuable players on that team. What has D'Antoni done in his career? Loser in Denver, Loser in NY and a winner in Phoenix with the best PG of all time arguably.
Not defending Melo's actions of late, but he can be coached and can play at a very high level. D'Antoni doesn't have as good of a track record.
Europe? That doesn't count? Also, what about the book? Does Melo have a book?
mrKnickShot wrote:MSG3 wrote:fishmike wrote:MSG3 wrote:The choice is get rid of a rare talented player who has had success in this league but is also a hard personality to manage...OR....get rid of a coach who has had succes with 1 out of 3 NBA teams he has coached and cannot find a winning formula unless his roster fits perfectly with what he tries to do, even if said roster is exceptionally talented and balanced. Oh, and the coach also doesn't communicate with his players (from everything that has been reported).I say try with a different coach. Not saying it will turn Melo into what we all want him to be, but maybe the new guy will hold him and the rest of the team accountable when they continue to make the same mistakes that cost us games.
what success? Melo = TMacPlease elaborate why this guy is coveted piece
He's lead the league in scoring, been to the playoffs every year and reached a WCF. He also won a National Title and Olympic Gold Medal while being widely regarded as one of the most valuable players on that team. What has D'Antoni done in his career? Loser in Denver, Loser in NY and a winner in Phoenix with the best PG of all time arguably.
Not defending Melo's actions of late, but he can be coached and can play at a very high level. D'Antoni doesn't have as good of a track record.
Europe? That doesn't count? Also, what about the book? Does Melo have a book?
Um....wasn't MDA the guy who designed the offense that gold medal winning team ran and is a very highly regarded player-like legendary status- in Italy for his basketball accomplishments?
Since there seems to be an equal amount of hate for each of them, why not just get rid of them both?
BasketballJones wrote:Since there seems to be an equal amount of hate for each of them, why not just get rid of them both?
My feelings about Pringles/Melo are quite similar to my feelings about Congress
BasketballJones wrote:Since there seems to be an equal amount of hate for each of them, why not get rid of them both?
Because Melo, while not LeBron or Kobe, is a once in a generation offensive talent. Laugh all you want. But many would say the same about Bernard Kind and Melo is better. He needs a coach that will tap into his strengths while forcing him to understand what else needs to be done for the team.
D'Antoni, on the other hand, is not one of the better coaches around. Offensive genious? OK...maybe when he has the right roster, whatever that is. But as a coach, he doesn't do all the things that are necessary.
SupremeCommander wrote:BasketballJones wrote:Since there seems to be an equal amount of hate for each of them, why not just get rid of them both?
My feelings about Pringles/Melo are quite similar to my feelings about Congress
+100000000
Pure partisanship with no regards to reason or shared responsibility. Edit: on both sides
If Melo is a once in a generation offensive talent (if a generation is typically considered 30 years, that would include Kobe, MJ, Iverson, Larry Bird, etc.) -- then the NBA as a league has the worst defense in a generation.
By any generational measure however, that 40% field goal average sucks.
Trade Melo...he is not coachable
nehemiah wrote:If Melo is a once in a generation offensive talent (if a generation is typically considered 30 years, that would include Kobe, MJ, Iverson, Larry Bird, etc.) -- then the NBA as a league has the worst defense in a generation.By any generational measure however, that 40% field goal average sucks.
How about his prior 46 percent for his career? We know he sux this year but the reason is not just black and white unless you don't like grey.
Trade Melo. They are not getting along, but moreso because of this:
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2012/03/14/...
And the one reason Im hopefull it happens, is not the dissecting of the Roster or anything that would make sense sports wise. Its the fact that Lin can get Dolan more money than Melo. Come on Dolan! Do what you do best. Follow the money!
