Irony
During his last two seasons in Atlanta, Mike Woodson had the task of managing a petulant Josh Smith. Smith wanted to play his way and Woodson wanted more discipline. Smith loved to hoist three point shots and gave inconsistent effort on defense. Smith's playing personality led to several public confrontations where Woodson got in Smith's face. Josh Smith took it very personally.
He did his best with a flawed roster that featured three redundant forwards. Like D'Antoni, Woodson was the one who had to go.
Fast forward to the deepest roster (in his words) Woodson has ever coached. He KNOWS he holds minutes as precious commodities and will enforce the prime directive.
You Suck. You Sit.
The fact Woodson emphasizes holding players accountable is music to my ears as well.
accountability is good. and may have been missing from MDA's approach. though he was a lameduck coach, with his best three players all on 4yr deals. Woodson has nothing to lose, so less pressure.
hopefully it all adds up to the knicks making a big run.
This is what I said about Woodson. He kept the Hawks in the playoffs and the Knicks have more talent.
I dont think Woodson is the greatest coach ever but he should be able to get us into the top 4 in the East.
misterearl wrote:IronyDuring his last two seasons in Atlanta, Mike Woodson had the task of managing a petulant Josh Smith. Smith wanted to play his way and Woodson wanted more discipline. Smith loved to hoist three point shots and gave inconsistent effort on defense. Smith's playing personality led to several public confrontations where Woodson got in Smith's face. Josh Smith took it very personally.
He did his best with a flawed roster that featured three redundant forwards. Like D'Antoni, Woodson was the one who had to go.
Fast forward to the deepest roster (in his words) Woodson has ever coached. He KNOWS he holds minutes as precious commodities and will enforce the prime directive.
You Suck. You Sit.
The fact Woodson emphasizes holding players accountable is music to my ears as well.
Been awhile since we heard that word thrown around here...thinking positively for this home at home, hopefully we can win both and catapult us going forward.
Woodson has a real shot here to rewrite his reputation. He's not as respected as I'm sure he'd like to be. If he wins here in NY that can change. He's got a loaded team to work with so he's in a good spot. He doesn't even have to come up with an offense cuz the team already has a sense of how to score. He just needs to tweak things and take the best of what worked and put his touches on things. It can work if the players stay committed.
Straight Talk
crzymdups wrote:accountability is good. and may have been missing from MDA's approach. though he was a lameduck coach, with his best three players all on 4yr deals. Woodson has nothing to lose, so less pressure.hopefully it all adds up to the knicks making a big run.
One cool thing about Woodson in Atlanta, he played no favorites. He would sit anyone in a heartbeat. If they sulked, tough.
He made certain his message was delivered.
You will never hear Mike Woodson give a cute or clever response to a question.
I'm getty tonight with all the whole team showing tonight. It could be a one game thing, but i'll worry about that next game.
I loved how people got the ball to our scorers and weren't running something hoping that the other team reacts or some magical cut happens. It was like, Felton is on Amare........get Amare the ball. Hay Jr hit a couple of shoots, LET"S RUN A PLAY FOR JR!
Im all flushed in the face
............ I will need to burn off this energy to go to sleep to night!!!
“doing things the right way”nixluva wrote:He's not as respected as I'm sure he'd like to be.
Woodson's days in Detroit, under Larry Brown, were the foundation for his coaching principles.
The Hawks made incremental improvement in the win column every year he was coach. They were simply too immature, and too poorly constructed, to win in the playoffs.
Woodson is respected. Having played in New York he knows how the game works.
misterearl wrote:Straight Talkcrzymdups wrote:accountability is good. and may have been missing from MDA's approach. though he was a lameduck coach, with his best three players all on 4yr deals. Woodson has nothing to lose, so less pressure.hopefully it all adds up to the knicks making a big run.
One cool thing about Woodson in Atlanta, he played no favorites. He would sit anyone in a heartbeat. If they sulked, tough.
He made certain his message was delivered.
You will never hear Mike Woodson give a cute or clever response to a question.
yeah, i liked d'antoni's sarcasm, i actually thought it was a little refreshing after zeke's baloney. but i agree it may not have been the right approach for this team's players and certainly not this team's media face.
i'm rooting for woodson. and the knicks, more importantly. will be very curious to see how he handles the first game where melo goes rogue or amar'e decides he doesn't feel like defending, or just can't cover his man. it'll be interesting.
as will the jeremy lin / baron davis debate. because, believe me, that debate is coming. soon.
misterearl wrote:Straight Talkcrzymdups wrote:accountability is good. and may have been missing from MDA's approach. though he was a lameduck coach, with his best three players all on 4yr deals. Woodson has nothing to lose, so less pressure.hopefully it all adds up to the knicks making a big run.
One cool thing about Woodson in Atlanta, he played no favorites. He would sit anyone in a heartbeat. If they sulked, tough.
He made certain his message was delivered.
You will never hear Mike Woodson give a cute or clever response to a question.
Great points, Earl. Love the idea of holding players (all players) accountable. Seems like players will also get defined roles, and defense may be on the top of the priority list. Hey, he's from the school of Bobby Knight BB.
To me, Woodson is like a breath of fresh air....
compared to that schmuck who just walked out of the garden in 7 secs or less.
Good riddance to you and your "system", Clueless Pringles!
misterearl wrote:IronyDuring his last two seasons in Atlanta, Mike Woodson had the task of managing a petulant Josh Smith. Smith wanted to play his way and Woodson wanted more discipline. Smith loved to hoist three point shots and gave inconsistent effort on defense. Smith's playing personality led to several public confrontations where Woodson got in Smith's face. Josh Smith took it very personally.
He did his best with a flawed roster that featured three redundant forwards. Like D'Antoni, Woodson was the one who had to go.
Fast forward to the deepest roster (in his words) Woodson has ever coached. He KNOWS he holds minutes as precious commodities and will enforce the prime directive.
You Suck. You Sit.
The fact Woodson emphasizes holding players accountable is music to my ears as well.
Yep
That includes the allstars being held accountable and responsible
Some significant thing that Mike D'Antoni did not have the GUTs or Intestinal fortitude to do...
Sometimes a player OR a team will respect you more when you get up in their face like a MAN and make them man-up
tell them what to do and learn what to do.
Mike had an issue with that thus perceived as soft with Stars/Allstars is really reason whole league loved
MDA as a person which is perception of fans and media.
In any job or profession you cannot be soft at times and some decisions of confrontations are difficult but must be made.
Its like your kids, times you can talk to them or preach other time you need to yell the crap of fear of lord into them
to get whats the right thing to do.
These are things guys like George Karl , Popovich or Phil Jackson is like which made them SOB's but respected throughout NBA
sportsworld much more than methods of Mike D'Antoni a good coach whom wasnt yet to be a great coach at this present time
Piece Of Cake
crzymdups wrote:as will the jeremy lin / baron davis debate. because, believe me, that debate is coming. soon.
Q. Reporter: "Mike, what is your take on the Knicks point guard "controversy"?
A. Woodson: (looking straight into the camera), "The guy who is playing better will get the most minutes"
Anji wrote:I'm getty tonight with all the whole team showing tonight. It could be a one game thing, but i'll worry about that next game.
I loved how people got the ball to our scorers and weren't running something hoping that the other team reacts or some magical cut happens. It was like, Felton is on Amare........get Amare the ball. Hay Jr hit a couple of shoots, LET"S RUN A PLAY FOR JR!
Im all flushed in the face............ I will need to burn off this energy to go to sleep to night!!!
You do realize that they were just running the offense they've had all year. What do you think they would do considering D'Antoni ran practice today and it's all the team knows??? I hope guys around here don't start ascribing the results of this game to anything special Woodson did, just as they shouldn't kill him if the team had lost. What this team does from here on out is mostly going to be a function of the players fully buying in and giving max effort and not so much about X's and O's. Woodson is the same guy everyone ragged on for not have any kind of offensive creativity. He was captain ISO.
It's not like they ran a ton of ISO's for Melo and changed things up. This was basically the same darned plays. They just executed and hit shots!!! The key was the commitment to effort that hadn't always been there for 48 mins. Go and look at Melo's shot chart and see if you can find some major shift in what he did. People got excited cuz Tyson had a post up. While I do think Woodson will look to implement more of his ideas, we need to be patient with him and see how that all works.
misterearl wrote:Piece Of Cakecrzymdups wrote:as will the jeremy lin / baron davis debate. because, believe me, that debate is coming. soon.
Q. Reporter: "Mike, what is your take on the Knicks point guard "controversy"?
A. Woodson: (looking straight into the camera), "The guy who is playing better will get the most minutes"
i like that idea. let's see it happen in real time.
nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:I'm getty tonight with all the whole team showing tonight. It could be a one game thing, but i'll worry about that next game.
I loved how people got the ball to our scorers and weren't running something hoping that the other team reacts or some magical cut happens. It was like, Felton is on Amare........get Amare the ball. Hay Jr hit a couple of shoots, LET"S RUN A PLAY FOR JR!
Im all flushed in the face............ I will need to burn off this energy to go to sleep to night!!!
You do realize that they were just running the offense they've had all year. What do you think they would do considering D'Antoni ran practice today and it's all the team knows??? I hope guys around here don't start ascribing the results of this game to anything special Woodson did, just as they shouldn't kill him if the team had lost. What this team does from here on out is mostly going to be a function of the players fully buying in and giving max effort and not so much about X's and O's. Woodson is the same guy everyone ragged on for not have any kind of offensive creativity. He was captain ISO.
It's not like they ran a ton of ISO's for Melo and changed things up. This was basically the same darned plays. They just executed and hit shots!!! The key was the commitment to effort that hadn't always been there for 48 mins. Go and look at Melo's shot chart and see if you can find some major shift in what he did. People got excited cuz Tyson had a post up. While I do think Woodson will look to implement more of his ideas, we need to be patient with him and see how that all works.
agreed.
this was mainly a "whew! the pressure is off!" game. and it was nice. and against a mentally inferior opponent. the proof will be in the pudding over the next couple of weeks. no matter how many people call me a hater for saying so.
i really hope this is the start of something great. we all desperately need that. this is the most talented roster the knicks have had in 10 years or more. let's do this.
I gotta admit...I like Woodson's straight forward, no nonsense style at the podium, especially the accountability part. Excellent use of timeouts as well. The game itself...might as well not have been played. It was a joke of a game.
I am happy they ran the offense they were running all year. But I am really happy that it worked tonight.
Knicks won baby, im not arguing about
anymore. Talking about things I see on the court. I like seeing plays being run, not freelance pick and rolls. I like seeing my coach giving input, telling guys to get back. Likes it and you can't rain on tonites parade.
Yeah I know, we were suppose to posting in my vagina is hurting for MDA threads all night, but there was a change in schedule!!!!!!!!
Let's Go(x100)!!!!!!!!!!
