Knicks · This is Dolan/Grunwald purging the Walsh era... and you cant win or coach if you dont have support of ownership. Melo's team now (page 3)
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:“He basically said he didn’t see how he could coach them to success the way it was right now,” the person said, adding, “He didn’t want to get beat up for the next two months or see Melo get beat up for the next two months.”classy thing to do.
It sounds classy, BUT he's still getting paid his full salary. It's not like he gave anything up. He just decided to take his salary and go on vacation instead of working.I thought it was the prudent business move. He removes himself from a abd situation and give himeslf enough time for demand of his services to heat up
I respect that rather than just quitting, he laid out a situation (Melo for D Will) where he felt he could stay and be effective though.
crzymdups wrote:gunsnewing wrote:crzymdups wrote:Silverfuel wrote:Let me start by saying I am a Melo fan. I wanted the Knicks to trade for him and even now think we can win with Melo on the Knicks.Having said that: during the MDA era, early in games, I remember Melo passing the ball and trying to get other players involved. He wouldn't look to shoot as much until after players started missing shots. Now here is the thing, did he stop passing which led to the 3rd or 4th quarter collapses or did he try to take over after the which caused the collapse?
I think that's a chicken/egg thing and impossible to prove. It just wasn't a fit. Melo didn't understand how to thrive within the offense, so he'd go back and forth between being too passive and too aggressive and didn't just play ball. It became really obvious when he was in one mode or the other and easier to defend. He almost never got in the flow. Last night he looked like he was in the flow... ironically running MDA's offense. But he seemed to stop overthinking it.
Que sera.
I think a healthy and motivated Melo gives this team a chance to really hang with Chicago and Miami. They should be the third best team in the conference if they're running on all cylinders. Let's see 'em do it. No more excuses.
I don't think it was right to ask melo to change his game. Some players are better off doing what they do bestphil jackson asked both kobe and jordan to change their games, so that sounds false, no offense. isiah admits to changing his game to score less and become more team-oriented to win, etc. lots of players have done it to win.
Not everyone has the same mental makeup. Its easier said than done. A lot of guys when asked to change their games & were incapable lost their confidence and were out of the league like Marbury & Francis. And people make Melo out to be the most selfish me first player in the league and he is not. He rebounds and does actually pass the ball and has been on 50win teams and turned a franchise around the second he was drafted.
Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:“He basically said he didn’t see how he could coach them to success the way it was right now,” the person said, adding, “He didn’t want to get beat up for the next two months or see Melo get beat up for the next two months.”classy thing to do.
It sounds classy, BUT he's still getting paid his full salary. It's not like he gave anything up. He just decided to take his salary and go on vacation instead of working.I thought it was the prudent business move. He removes himself from a abd situation and give himeslf enough time for demand of his services to heat up
I respect that rather than just quitting, he laid out a situation (Melo for D Will) where he felt he could stay and be effective though.
agreed
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:“He basically said he didn’t see how he could coach them to success the way it was right now,” the person said, adding, “He didn’t want to get beat up for the next two months or see Melo get beat up for the next two months.”classy thing to do.
It sounds classy, BUT he's still getting paid his full salary. It's not like he gave anything up. He just decided to take his salary and go on vacation instead of working.I thought it was the prudent business move. He removes himself from a abd situation and give himeslf enough time for demand of his services to heat up
I respect that rather than just quitting, he laid out a situation (Melo for D Will) where he felt he could stay and be effective though.agreed
He even offered to stay on for the season even if the deal for D-Will wasn't done but Grunwald said that it made sense after they talked it over that the eventually agreed that him leaving was the best decision for the team in the long run. I can appreciate that he was able to see that the situation was not going to improve and made the decision not to hold up the team when it was clearly not going to work out. It seems to me that the seemingly abrupt nature of his decision would imply that he probably would have walked away without the remainder of his salary. After talking with Grunwald and Dolan it probably worked out that it was a "mutual" decision. You rarely hear people who quit getting severance pay, much less the remainder of their salary...although I don't know the terms of his contract so I'm speculating. I was saying earlier when it comes to a coach or a teacher of any kind, the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink," is relevant. But in this case I suppose the saying you can't fit a square peg into a circle fits equally well.
I agree w/ you 100% Fishmike. I want this team to win and will always root for that but as of this week I find it difficult getting excited for the games because just as things had seemed to turn the corner, it all falls apart again. You can't help but feel that inevitably, the Knicks will fall back into that vicious cycle this organization can't seem to beat. Underachieving/overpaid stars, coach turnover, roster overhaul, repeat.
I hope MDA does find himself in a favorable situation on his next team, his teams are always fun to watch.
MinsHeartsReezy wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:“He basically said he didn’t see how he could coach them to success the way it was right now,” the person said, adding, “He didn’t want to get beat up for the next two months or see Melo get beat up for the next two months.”classy thing to do.
It sounds classy, BUT he's still getting paid his full salary. It's not like he gave anything up. He just decided to take his salary and go on vacation instead of working.I thought it was the prudent business move. He removes himself from a abd situation and give himeslf enough time for demand of his services to heat up
I respect that rather than just quitting, he laid out a situation (Melo for D Will) where he felt he could stay and be effective though.agreed
He even offered to stay on for the season even if the deal for D-Will wasn't done but Grunwald said that it made sense after they talked it over that the eventually agreed that him leaving was the best decision for the team in the long run. I can appreciate that he was able to see that the situation was not going to improve and made the decision not to hold up the team when it was clearly not going to work out. It seems to me that the seemingly abrupt nature of his decision would imply that he probably would have walked away without the remainder of his salary. After talking with Grunwald and Dolan it probably worked out that it was a "mutual" decision. You rarely hear people who quit getting severance pay, much less the remainder of their salary...although I don't know the terms of his contract so I'm speculating. I was saying earlier when it comes to a coach or a teacher of any kind, the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink," is relevant. But in this case I suppose the saying you can't fit a square peg into a circle fits equally well.
I agree w/ you 100% Fishmike. I want this team to win and will always root for that but as of this week I find it difficult getting excited for the games because just as things had seemed to turn the corner, it all falls apart again. You can't help but feel that inevitably, the Knicks will fall back into that vicious cycle this organization can't seem to beat. Underachieving/overpaid stars, coach turnover, roster overhaul, repeat.
I hope MDA does find himself in a favorable situation on his next team, his teams are always fun to watch.
I bet Dolan agreed to pay him to keep him quiet. Has anyone heard a peep out of him?
Quietly into the sunset, with the rest of Dolan's loot!
franco12 wrote:MinsHeartsReezy wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:“He basically said he didn’t see how he could coach them to success the way it was right now,” the person said, adding, “He didn’t want to get beat up for the next two months or see Melo get beat up for the next two months.”classy thing to do.
It sounds classy, BUT he's still getting paid his full salary. It's not like he gave anything up. He just decided to take his salary and go on vacation instead of working.I thought it was the prudent business move. He removes himself from a abd situation and give himeslf enough time for demand of his services to heat up
I respect that rather than just quitting, he laid out a situation (Melo for D Will) where he felt he could stay and be effective though.agreed
He even offered to stay on for the season even if the deal for D-Will wasn't done but Grunwald said that it made sense after they talked it over that the eventually agreed that him leaving was the best decision for the team in the long run. I can appreciate that he was able to see that the situation was not going to improve and made the decision not to hold up the team when it was clearly not going to work out. It seems to me that the seemingly abrupt nature of his decision would imply that he probably would have walked away without the remainder of his salary. After talking with Grunwald and Dolan it probably worked out that it was a "mutual" decision. You rarely hear people who quit getting severance pay, much less the remainder of their salary...although I don't know the terms of his contract so I'm speculating. I was saying earlier when it comes to a coach or a teacher of any kind, the saying "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink," is relevant. But in this case I suppose the saying you can't fit a square peg into a circle fits equally well.
I agree w/ you 100% Fishmike. I want this team to win and will always root for that but as of this week I find it difficult getting excited for the games because just as things had seemed to turn the corner, it all falls apart again. You can't help but feel that inevitably, the Knicks will fall back into that vicious cycle this organization can't seem to beat. Underachieving/overpaid stars, coach turnover, roster overhaul, repeat.
I hope MDA does find himself in a favorable situation on his next team, his teams are always fun to watch.
I bet Dolan agreed to pay him to keep him quiet. Has anyone heard a peep out of him?
Quietly into the sunset, with the rest of Dolan's loot!
Of course...the meeting was totally unplanned...but the severance agreement complete with stipulations was already approved by legal and just awaiting MDA's signature. LOL!