Knicks · Melo was huffing and puffing tonight (page 1)

now that the pressure's on, he's gotta earn his paycheck. he played great D and got rebounds but man did he look tired. and i wonder if that effected his offensive game— he shot 30%.
can he do this physically? play both ends of the floor.

SlimChin wrote:now that the pressure's on, he's gotta earn his paycheck. he played great D and got rebounds but man did he look tired. and i wonder if that effected his offensive game— he shot 30%.
can he do this physically? play both ends of the floor.

I hope he's learned a new way to win. We don't have to be some great offensive team to win if the defensive intensity is there. That's what Linsanity was really about. The team was playing some great D during that run, it wasn't really great offense. The fact is that Melo has played the last 2 games like he should've been playing all along!!! All of a sudden he's not having a problem playing catch and shoot or getting the ball in motion and in the flow. He had a couple of post ups, but that wasn't really what got this team another win! Melo and STAT both have picked up their effort level which is what was missing all along.
Melo may eventually fall back from this level of output, but hopefully not so much that the team loses. Woodson doesn't seem like he's gonna allow them to take their foot off the gas which is great.

No he just took some shots at the end of the clock and a couple of bad shots plus he missed some threes. I liked that he locked up Granger after granger said what he said. He took it personal and Granger was 4-15.

I'll give Melo (and Stat) the benefit of the doubt yellowboy90 (with excuses). If they play hard D like last night we are going to win a lot of games. If they don't bring their D then we have to outscore the opponent on offense, and that sucks.

Now, we have a deep team. Let's just play them as long as their D is like last night and pull them early when it slips. We have to keep this going and with the deep bench it is very possible.

I loved watching them last night and the rest of the bunch.

Oh, and I wonder how Indy feels knowing our big two had bad games offensively? You don't think Stat and Melo want to bring it tonight? Gonna be fun.

Huffing and puffing because exerting himself to this extent is not his normal way of life.

Team will go as Melo will go. His history tells us he is a player that will choose when to play hard based on his emotional whims. He is feeling happy now, so he will give it his all. There will be a time when he is not so happy, and he will revert to his sulking self.

It's a good thing to watch when he is playing hard, but the ghost of lazy play is always there, dancing in the recesses of my brain.

“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

misterearl wrote:“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

Lin looks winded after 5 minutes of jogging, that's his look.

misterearl wrote:“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

Of course because everything Lin do from now on is golden and If he does do bad its because of Melo. where have you been. Geez.

misterearl wrote:“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

Yes because Lin plays hard all the time. The fact that Melo doesn't look winded more often underscores the point that he was dogging it

TripleThreat wrote:

misterearl wrote:“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

Lin is essentially a rookie player who is likely and expected to hit a rookie wall in terms of his ability to survive the NBA grind. That Lin was able to put together a tough and successful 10 game stretch in a compressed season with limited minutes and experience before hand is a testament to the kid's mental and physical toughness. By the time Lin got to Miami, the kid was gassed.

This is not comparable to Melo, who has been in the league for nearly a decade and is the physically superior and more athletically gifted of the two players. I would say, compared to his contemporaries, Melo is not in elite physical condition. I think Dwayne Wade is a chucker who gets bailed out by refs, but the guy is in good physical condition when he plays. Melo could be stronger and faster if put the time into his conditioning. There's no reason for an elite wing like Melo to be doughy and to be gassed playing hard defense.

The problem I have is Melo and STAT didn't play this way before, which even if you took D'Antoni out of it, is disrespectful to their team, their franchise and their fans. I can live with the Knicks losing, sometimes you lose, if all players give 150 percent on the court every night. If Melo and STAT bled it out on the floor every night this season with full effort and putting aside their personal glitches and issues, I'd be ok with a team that was sub 500 but growing together and working on getting stronger. I'm not cool with the sulk because I hate my coach routine.

MSG sell out. But you know what? Most NBA arenas aren't so lucky. There are many empty seats from fans tired of watching petulant star players dog it when they don't feel like playing hard. It's bad for the brand and it's bad for team morale and it's bad for getting fans interested and invested in the game.

A woman says I'm not feeling good, I'm emotional, there are too many issues for me to do what I need to do. Society accepts this, as society sees women as the weaker gender, they aren't expected to be protectors or fighters, they are expected to be nurturers and be emotional and our society allows them to be irrational and those around them have to tolerate some level of BS that it would not accept from men.

A man , a real man, does what he needs to do. It's not about how he feels. It's not about what he has or doesn't have to work with. He's expected to get the job done. Even if he has reasons why he can't, excuses are seen with derision and seen as unacceptable. A real man has a specific goal and he has to be willing to sacrifice upon himself to get that goal. In exchange for his blood, a man can rule his roost, make the big decisions and take the lion's share of the credit.

So my problem with Melo is when he acts like a jilted chick. So you hate your coach. So you don't mesh well with STAT. Find a way to win, shut your f**king mouth, stop being such an entitled crybaby and find a way to get it done. That's the price of being the Alpha Dog on a team. Melo wants the glory, just none of the responsibility or blood cost.

So now Melo gets credit for finally manning up enough to play some actual defense, which he should have been doing as the designated TEAM LEADER in the first place? That's like a woman saying, "Hey, be impressed by me, I pay my bills and I take care of my kids" Well you dumb whore, you are supposed to take care of your kids, you are supposed to pay your bills. It's called being an adult, it's called having responsibility, it's called the price of being in charge of your own life.

Maybe Melo would stop acting like an entitled chucker and diva and coach killer, if no offense, more of the fans and his owner and the media held him to the expectations of being a f**king man, instead of this whiney I hate my Dad schoolgirl BS he's been running. Be a damn professional. Lin is barely in his first year and even he has figured that out, Melo has been in nearly a decade, will his aching mangina ever figure it out? Will he?

No need for the essay, dude. Mr.Earl and Yellowboy nailed it.

Uptown wrote:No need for the essay, dude. Mr.Earl and Yellowboy nailed it.

The amount of personal projection of negative traits on Anthony is staggering. When he played injured there was not a word of support. The complaint was that he did not produce.

The only thing that matters is wins

beat Indiana again

Uptown wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

misterearl wrote:“You can’t describe how much fun we had during the seven-game winning streak and that’s what we’re building toward,’’ said Lin, who had 13 points and five assists, including two bomb passes to Anthony for easy layups.

So when Lin looks winded it's cool? Okayfine

Lin is essentially a rookie player who is likely and expected to hit a rookie wall in terms of his ability to survive the NBA grind. That Lin was able to put together a tough and successful 10 game stretch in a compressed season with limited minutes and experience before hand is a testament to the kid's mental and physical toughness. By the time Lin got to Miami, the kid was gassed.

This is not comparable to Melo, who has been in the league for nearly a decade and is the physically superior and more athletically gifted of the two players. I would say, compared to his contemporaries, Melo is not in elite physical condition. I think Dwayne Wade is a chucker who gets bailed out by refs, but the guy is in good physical condition when he plays. Melo could be stronger and faster if put the time into his conditioning. There's no reason for an elite wing like Melo to be doughy and to be gassed playing hard defense.

The problem I have is Melo and STAT didn't play this way before, which even if you took D'Antoni out of it, is disrespectful to their team, their franchise and their fans. I can live with the Knicks losing, sometimes you lose, if all players give 150 percent on the court every night. If Melo and STAT bled it out on the floor every night this season with full effort and putting aside their personal glitches and issues, I'd be ok with a team that was sub 500 but growing together and working on getting stronger. I'm not cool with the sulk because I hate my coach routine.

MSG sell out. But you know what? Most NBA arenas aren't so lucky. There are many empty seats from fans tired of watching petulant star players dog it when they don't feel like playing hard. It's bad for the brand and it's bad for team morale and it's bad for getting fans interested and invested in the game.

A woman says I'm not feeling good, I'm emotional, there are too many issues for me to do what I need to do. Society accepts this, as society sees women as the weaker gender, they aren't expected to be protectors or fighters, they are expected to be nurturers and be emotional and our society allows them to be irrational and those around them have to tolerate some level of BS that it would not accept from men.

A man , a real man, does what he needs to do. It's not about how he feels. It's not about what he has or doesn't have to work with. He's expected to get the job done. Even if he has reasons why he can't, excuses are seen with derision and seen as unacceptable. A real man has a specific goal and he has to be willing to sacrifice upon himself to get that goal. In exchange for his blood, a man can rule his roost, make the big decisions and take the lion's share of the credit.

So my problem with Melo is when he acts like a jilted chick. So you hate your coach. So you don't mesh well with STAT. Find a way to win, shut your f**king mouth, stop being such an entitled crybaby and find a way to get it done. That's the price of being the Alpha Dog on a team. Melo wants the glory, just none of the responsibility or blood cost.

So now Melo gets credit for finally manning up enough to play some actual defense, which he should have been doing as the designated TEAM LEADER in the first place? That's like a woman saying, "Hey, be impressed by me, I pay my bills and I take care of my kids" Well you dumb whore, you are supposed to take care of your kids, you are supposed to pay your bills. It's called being an adult, it's called having responsibility, it's called the price of being in charge of your own life.

Maybe Melo would stop acting like an entitled chucker and diva and coach killer, if no offense, more of the fans and his owner and the media held him to the expectations of being a f**king man, instead of this whiney I hate my Dad schoolgirl BS he's been running. Be a damn professional. Lin is barely in his first year and even he has figured that out, Melo has been in nearly a decade, will his aching mangina ever figure it out? Will he?

No need for the essay, dude. Mr.Earl and Yellowboy nailed it.

That's TripleThreat's style. (Not that I'm actually going to read all that).

misterearl wrote:

Uptown wrote:No need for the essay, dude. Mr.Earl and Yellowboy nailed it.

The amount of personal projection of negative traits on Anthony is staggering. When he played injured there was not a word of support. The complaint was that he did not produce.

The only thing that matters is wins

beat Indiana again

Well said.

Soon as I see that dude posting I just scroll down. You can keep the seven paragraphs of racist negativity.

Basketball Jones - you are correct. If it requires NINE paragraphs of unrelated nonsense to talk basketball, perhaps the syllabus has more to do with prejudice than hoops.

Rather than pre judge this edition of Knicks, why can't we watch how they interact, without the layer of assmptions?

Just win baby

I love the way the guys have stuck together all year. They really seem to genuinely like each other! However TripleThreat is right about STAT and Melo. I made a thread about the 2 of them not giving 100% and it's the main reason this team hasn't won more this year! Melo was clearly not buying in and it's perfectly ok to call him on it. On both ends Melo wasn't being a leader. STAT was an embarrassment on D. So much so that Spurs announcers highlighted his "step away" move that we've all seen him do on D!!! This team could've been doing this all along. They both better give Max effort from here on or else fans and media will call them on it with no more excuse of MDA anymore!

A lot of the guys have come out and said that Woodson wants them to come out and play with tremendous intensity on the defensive end to take teams out of their game. So far guys are buying in and its working. I agree with Nix about it being a great group of guys. They are together and have stuck together.

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nixluva wrote:I love the way the guys have stuck together all year. They really seem to genuinely like each other! However TripleThreat is right about STAT and Melo. I made a thread about the 2 of them not giving 100% and it's the main reason this team hasn't won more this year! Melo was clearly not buying in and it's perfectly ok to call him on it. On both ends Melo wasn't being a leader. STAT was an embarrassment on D. So much so that Spurs announcers highlighted his "step away" move that we've all seen him do on D!!! This team could've been doing this all along. They both better give Max effort from here on or else fans and media will call them on it with no more excuse of MDA anymore!

It happens. Happened with Ewing and Nelson and then what happened? JVG took over and the rest is history. Sometimes you need.to change the system if u want to win.

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nixluva wrote:I love the way the guys have stuck together all year. They really seem to genuinely like each other! However TripleThreat is right about STAT and Melo. I made a thread about the 2 of them not giving 100% and it's the main reason this team hasn't won more this year! Melo was clearly not buying in and it's perfectly ok to call him on it. On both ends Melo wasn't being a leader. STAT was an embarrassment on D. So much so that Spurs announcers highlighted his "step away" move that we've all seen him do on D!!! This team could've been doing this all along. They both better give Max effort from here on or else fans and media will call them on it with no more excuse of MDA anymore!

It happens. Happened with Ewing and Nelson and then what happened? JVG took over and the rest is history. Sometimes you need.to change the system if u want to win.

Dude they really haven't CHANGED the system. The Defense and Offense are pretty much the same except for some tweaks. The biggest change has been STAT and Melo joining the team on D. Clearly Melo hasn't been giving his all on both ends and certainly not buying in. Now with MOSTLY the same offense, he's suddenly doing what he was supposed to do all along. These things are clear as day!!! In truth MDA wasn't really asking Melo to do anything hard. His pouting was a very immature and punk move. Dude was literally part of the reason the team started losing along with STAT who wasn't giving 100% on D. No doubt about it our 2 stars got the coach fired!!!

misterearl wrote:Basketball Jones - you are correct. If it requires NINE paragraphs of unrelated nonsense to talk basketball, perhaps the syllabus has more to do with prejudice than hoops.

Rather than pre judge this edition of Knicks, why can't we watch how they interact, without the layer of assmptions?

Just win baby

+1000000

there's a new kind of poster on here who seem extremely overprotective of lin to the detriment of every other knick. i love lin, but it's getting a little old.

i'm rooting for melo and lin to figure it out together, because that will surely be better than anything they could do on their own. this is a team sport. healthy contributions from tyson chandler, iman shumpert, jared jeffries, steve novak, landry fields and more helped builded lin's star and win those 8 games. and they'll certainly all be required to win more.

and it should be exciting - this is the most talent this organization has had in place since 1999. it's the roster with the most chance of winning since then, too. let's go. let's see what we can do. leave the politics for the off-season. anyone who thinks d'antoni stepping down wasn't what needed to happen isn't watching.

There was a legit reason to fear that Lin might be marginalized. The way Woodson was talking at 1st it sounded like he was going to make a major shift. After that he walked it back a bit and made it clear what he was planning, but it did sound bad at 1st.

The best this team looked was when we saw the team playing hard minus Melo. The team was defending at a high level and having fun!!! Then it all went dark again. MDA leaves and suddenly it's all bright and sunny again. Lin is now a key part of the team in much the same way that Rondo made the Celtics a big 4 rather than big 3. We need all of our starters to play well, but Lin, STAT, Melo and Tyson really carry the heavy luggage for this team. I'm glad that Woody didn't do what it sounded like he was gonna do from his original comments. He's done a great job blending the good of what they've been doing well with some needed changes. IMO that a recipe for success.