Knicks · Forget Everything You Read About Carmelo (page 10)
Think of it this way. The less people keep sweating Carmelo to score a bushel of points, the less likely he is tempted to hoist everything he touches.
Why mess with success?
misterearl wrote:DefenseThink of it this way. The less people keep sweating Carmelo to score a bushel of points, the less likely he is tempted to hoist everything he touches.
Why mess with success?
Because the pursuit of happiness is often trumped by not being able to deal with hate and unhappiness.
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.
So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
mrKnickShot wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
What do you do? You go 2 and 8 and get asked to pack your sh1t.
That doesn't seem to be a far gone conclusion for every coach.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.
Bonn1997 wrote:Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.
55. Kiki Vandeweghe is still on the draft board for just one more selection
4. Lonnie Shelton is not the penalty for tampering
33. Patrick Ewing's contract simply expired
2. Maurice Cheeks, Steve Francis, Clarence Weatherspoon, Lavor Postell, Stephon Marbury and Travis Knight never get a uni
1. Al Bianchi, John McLeod, Stu Jackson and Larry Brown never got parking spots.
Carmelo is ours and as such I support him.
Kvetching over a trade that happened over a year ago is so retro-negative. What is done, is done. Let it go.
Beat Toronto.
misterearl wrote:It Would Have Been Better If...Bonn1997 wrote:Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.55. Kiki Vandeweghe is still on the draft board for just one more selection
4. Lonnie Shelton is not the penalty for tampering
33. Patrick Ewing's contract simply expired
2. Maurice Cheeks, Steve Francis, Clarence Weatherspoon, Lavor Postell, Stephon Marbury and Travis Knight never get a uni
1. Al Bianchi, John McLeod, Stu Jackson and Larry Brown never got parking spots.
Carmelo is ours and as such I support him.
Kvetching over a trade that happened over a year ago is so retro-negative.
You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.
Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.
Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
Exactly! Wish he would've blessed the Chicago Bulls instead with 4 years of mediocre coaching.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
Exactly! Wish he would've blessed the Chicago Bulls instead with 4 years of mediocre coaching.
No, the point is that no human should choose to work for Dolan. Give it a few years; Dolan will trade Lin for the next Steve Francis.
Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
His wallet doesn't say so.
BasketballJones wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
His wallet doesn't say so.
Sure, if your goal in life is to get a lot of money, Dolan is the best NBA employer. Everyone leaves our organization wealthier but with a worse reputation. It depends on what your priority is.
Bonn1997 wrote:BasketballJones wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:misterearl wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You might want to scroll up and re-read. We were talking about MDA, not any trade.Same principle applies. "My way or the highway" D'Antoni chose the highway.
He is gone.
Has anybody seen Bill Walker?
Still might want to re-read. I was not criticizing MDA. The only mistake he made was joining this organization.
His wallet doesn't say so.
Sure, if your goal in life is to get a lot of money, Dolan is the best NBA employer. Everyone leaves our organization wealthier but with a worse reputation. It depends on what your priority is.
I suspect that is at least part of the motivation for these coaches. After all, they know the history before they take the job.
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.
MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
I read this and experienced one of the most painful flashbacks of my life
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.
really? both ended with a first round sweep and I'd say Melo turned in the best performance in the playoffs.
Melo last year with the Knicks: 26.3 ppg (46.1% / 42.4% / 87.2%), 6.7 rpg, 3.0 apg
Marbs first season with the Knicks: 19.8 ppg (43.1% / 32.1% / 83.3%), 3.1 rpg, 9.3 apg
I'd give the edge to Melo but it's debatable. Marbs got dealt to a roster suited for his style (until Isiah screwed that up). But it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound
SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.really? both ended with a first round sweep and I'd say Melo turned in the best performance in the playoffs.
Melo last year with the Knicks: 26.3 ppg (46.1% / 42.4% / 87.2%), 6.7 rpg, 3.0 apg
Marbs first season with the Knicks: 19.8 ppg (43.1% / 32.1% / 83.3%), 3.1 rpg, 9.3 apg
I'd give the edge to Melo but it's debatable. Marbs got dealt to a roster suited for his style (until Isiah screwed that up). But it's not as clear-cut as you make it sound
I was probably unclear but I meant first year as in first 12 months since Melo has spent about that much time here.
Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.
Melo and Amare got what there market value dictated. Its not like NOBODY else was willing to give what we did. While we may have given up to much through a fans point of view. The theory proves correct that replenishing depth is the easier part as the next season we have one of the deepest teams in the league after trading away half the team. Lin may have been luck, but Shumpert, Davis, Novak, Harrellson, Jeffries, Smith, Chandler have all proven to be solid pick ups.
Having money tied up to Melo and Amare is a lot easier to work around then having you money tied up to James, Jeffries, Curry, Francis, Marbury, Malik Rose.
newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.
Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?
You realize that you work for an incompetent organization and ask to leave.So rather then adjust some things on this deep and talented roster like Woodson has. Its better to deflect blame to upper management and quit on the team?
Well it would have been better to never join the team. Once he had, like everyone else of the past decade, it's a no-win situation.MDA has had a better mixture of balance, talent and WAAAAY less dysfunctional problems then any other coach had over the past decade. There is a big difference between being handcuffed to Shanviseisleyspoon, Kurt Thomas being your best front court player for yrs , losing Dice into pre season, investing in Marbury and Eddie Curry, trading Trevor Ariza for Steve Francis. Signing Jeffries and Jerome James to horrible contracts then the petty crap that MDA has experienced.
We'll have to wait and see. Marbury's 1st year as a Knick was definitely *superior* to Melo's. Because of Chandler and Lin, this team is better than those were but trading half your team for and giving max contracts to Melo and Amare still sounds like a dysfunctional organization to me.Melo and Amare got what there market value dictated. Its not like NOBODY else was willing to give what we did. While we may have given up to much through a fans point of view. The theory proves correct that replenishing depth is the easier part as the next season we have one of the deepest teams in the league after trading away half the team. Lin may have been luck, but Shumpert, Davis, Novak, Harrellson, Jeffries, Smith, Chandler have all proven to be solid pick ups.
Having money tied up to Melo and Amare is a lot easier to work around then having you money tied up to James, Jeffries, Curry, Francis, Marbury, Malik Rose.
Really? No other team was willing to give close to 5 guaranteed, uninsured max contract years for Amare and I didn't hear of any team willing to give up what we gave up for Melo either. Regardless, I wouldn't base my decisions on what the market is willing to pay for a player since the market is based largely on misguided conceptions of player value.