Knicks · Forget Everything You Read About Carmelo (page 9)

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:It does matter that Melo needs to play better. When everything is equal, meaning you go up against the Bulls or Heat, you need an edge to win. You don't want to be struggling to score. You want to be playing great D and O. That's what we sold off all that talent for!!! We did it for an Elite Scorer. Melo has to earn his salary doing what he's supposed to do as our resident Star and leader.

I say this much..He needs to be fed the ball...Far too many times he is calling for it and Lin just ignores him...This will be overlooked as long as we are winning but come playoff time it won't go over so well...Unlearning those bad MDA habits will take some time ...

love to hear the logic behind "feeding" the ball to player shooting 40%

the only bad habits Lin learned under MDA was how to get everyone involved and win games.

Well there is a little more to running a team and winning at the highest level than that...Can't really blame MDA, he has never been there or knows what it takes..

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

This.

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

+100000

I echoed the same sediments earlier in this same thread - but it's ok. Join the team of LOGICAL THINKERS!

Blaming Amare does not exonerate MDA but blaming Melo does. That!, is where the Melo hate is coming from. Hating Melo means MDA got screwed and it was not his fault, therefore still the untainted genius.

mrKnickShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

+100000

I echoed the same sediments earlier in this same thread - but it's ok. Join the team of LOGICAL THINKERS!

Blaming Amare does not exonerate MDA but blaming Melo does. That!, is where the Melo hate is coming from. Hating Melo means MDA got screwed and it was not his fault, therefore still the untainted genius.

In some Bizarro Universe, hating Melo equates with Mike D'Antoni equaling great coach, even though the whole team played like a steaming pile of turds.

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

The phrase "the reason" is used carelessly to deflect blame. Obviously there isn't only one reason why the team struggled under D'Antoni. It would be fair to say, though, that if Melo played like a superstar, the team would have been significantly above .500 and D'Antoni would still be here.

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

The phrase "the reason" is used carelessly to deflect blame. Obviously there isn't only one reason why the team struggled under D'Antoni. It would be fair to say, though, that if Melo played like a superstar, the team would have been significantly above .500 and D'Antoni would still be here.

Why is it you write all this sheet about Melo yet Amare played so much worse under Dantoni this year. I don't remember you bashing Amare at all?? Stop putting your hatred ahead of reasoning.

BigRedDog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

The phrase "the reason" is used carelessly to deflect blame. Obviously there isn't only one reason why the team struggled under D'Antoni. It would be fair to say, though, that if Melo played like a superstar, the team would have been significantly above .500 and D'Antoni would still be here.

Why is it you write all this sheet about Melo yet Amare played so much worse under Dantoni this year. I don't remember you bashing Amare at all?? Stop putting your hatred ahead of reasoning.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

The phrase "the reason" is used carelessly to deflect blame. Obviously there isn't only one reason why the team struggled under D'Antoni. It would be fair to say, though, that if Melo played like a superstar, the team would have been significantly above .500 and D'Antoni would still be here.

Why is it you write all this sheet about Melo yet Amare played so much worse under Dantoni this year. I don't remember you bashing Amare at all?? Stop putting your hatred ahead of reasoning.

because we didn't gut the team and give up our picks for Amare. Acquiring him was a much less dangerous decision.

That really makes NO sense. If it was our decision to gut the team ( which in hindsight we didn't or at least we replenished it pretty well) its not the players fault. He wanted to get payed. You can't blame a player for wanting money. Look at Manning. He could have taken less and let Denver have more money to sign other players. You evaluate the player on his performance.I agree Melo is having a substandard season for him but enough with this DAILY bashing. Amares poor play affected this team a lot more than Melos. Rip Amare every day.

BigRedDog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

The phrase "the reason" is used carelessly to deflect blame. Obviously there isn't only one reason why the team struggled under D'Antoni. It would be fair to say, though, that if Melo played like a superstar, the team would have been significantly above .500 and D'Antoni would still be here.

Why is it you write all this sheet about Melo yet Amare played so much worse under Dantoni this year. I don't remember you bashing Amare at all?? Stop putting your hatred ahead of reasoning.

because we didn't gut the team and give up our picks for Amare. Acquiring him was a much less dangerous decision.

That really makes NO sense. If it was our decision to gut the team ( which in hindsight we didn't or at least we replenished it pretty well) its not the players fault. He wanted to get payed. You can't blame a player for wanting money. Look at Manning. He could have taken less and let Denver have more money to sign other players. You evaluate the player on his performance.I agree Melo is having a substandard season for him but enough with this DAILY bashing. Amares poor play affected this team a lot more than Melos. Rip Amare every day.

misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

In 32 games under D’Antoni this season, Melo averaged 18.3 FGA/game. In 5 games w/ Woodson, Melo is averaging 13.4 shot attempts per game. - Tommy Dee

Melo is not the reason Dantoni got fired. in fact, Melo is not even playing great for Woodson.

Dantoni had to go because he is a one-trick pony who found himself in over his head coaching a big market team. In a short time, Mike Woodson has exposed Dantoni more that Carmelo or any other player ever could.

Woodson has Amare TRYING on defense. Woodson has Shown that Chandler and Amare can coexist on offense, that Melo doesn't need to take 30 shots to be effective, that Lin can be an effective point guard in ANY system. But most importantly, Woodson has shown the work that DEFENSE will keep you in the game when the shots are not going in.

Woodson has shown how damaging the wrong coach can be to a team.

It's time to accept that Dantoni - and nobody else - was the biggest problem (we still have a few other things to fix).

Don't let the pro-Dantoni propaganda cloud your judgement.

Instead of focusing on Melo, why don't you try focusing on amare? By all accounts, he was pro-Dantoni. He loved Dantoni and 'bought into the system'.

So, why din't he play well? Why didn't Amare even TRY on defense? Why couldn't he co-exist with Chandler?

You could continue with the questions:

Will Amare continue to TRY on defense? Will he quit playing hard for Woodson?

Why don't you doubt Amare, Lin, Chandler, etc? In all fairness, the WHOLE team was playing terrible under Dantoni. It wasn't Melo alone.

So, why is it that the questions are only applied to Melo?

Why didn't other players 'buy' into the system?

In other words, look at it this way:

Yes, Melo is the scum of this earth. Fine. But why was the entire team playing like crap and not flourishing under Dantoni?

- irvinOO

No Earl, you rock!!! Gems galore. Very accurate post.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

What do you do? You go 2 and 8 and get asked to pack your sh1t.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

mrKnickShot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:MDA relied to much on the PG and spacing. If he was coaching the Nets this season they probably would be 500. right now. It just wasn't a good fit for the pieces we had in NY after ownership decided they wanted to bring in Melo and Chandler.

Asking the PG to run the offense and the players to have good spacing on offense? I can't imagine why MDA would ask for that!

Now what do you do as a coach when opponents trap that PG constantly taking the ball out of his hands so he can't run the offense and the players are just flat out missing there shots to create that spacing?

What do you do? You go 2 and 8 and get asked to pack your sh1t.

LMAO!!!

Think of it this way. The less people keep sweating Carmelo to score a bushel of points, the less likely he is tempted to hoist everything he touches.

Why mess with success?