Knicks · DAMN MDA woodson is making you look bad (page 5)

FoeDiddy wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:I would like what's best for Woody and his family. I want what's best for the Knicks.

It's been a year in which guys have made the most of their opportunities around here. that's the trend I'd like to see continue. I have no interest in the nanny-nanny-noo-noo's to MDA. It's childish and revealing. I'm sure I can't stop others, though.

Why would reflecting on the year and the transition be childish. It's a Discussion Forum for a reason. Would someone on Laker board comparing Mike Brown's Performance & coaching style to Phil jackson's be considered childish?

And the answer is...
"Things people say when they lose an argument on a UK message board"

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Guys need to calm down. All this team has done is won some regular season games. They haven't really accomplished jack yet. Woody still has a ton of work to do as does Melo. This recent good play doesn't make up for all the poor play up to this point. Nothing has been secured yet!!! Let's take it easy on the victory laps for Woodson.

I'll start stretching if you don't mind...Welcome to consistent play.

MDA goes 8-1 and it's like we won a ring and woody goes 8-1 losing JJ and now Stat (and our D has still looked better than ever) and "Woody has done nothing"

Therein lies the lack of credibility - SMFH

I was gonna say same thing but didn't feel like searching through previous threads where Nixluva was taking "victory laps" during our streaks as we all where.

Don't you guys know, we won the Championship after we beat the Mavericks on National TV during Linsanity!

Is that the same Mavericks team that is 10 and 14 on the road?

Nah, they're the defending Champions man! Throw out all stats and records out the window!

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:I would like what's best for Woody and his family. I want what's best for the Knicks.

It's been a year in which guys have made the most of their opportunities around here. that's the trend I'd like to see continue. I have no interest in the nanny-nanny-noo-noo's to MDA. It's childish and revealing. I'm sure I can't stop others, though.

Why would reflecting on the year and the transition be childish. It's a Discussion Forum for a reason. Would someone on Laker board comparing Mike Brown's Performance & coaching style to Phil jackson's be considered childish?

Exactly.

And the answer is...
"Things people say when they lose an argument on a UK message board"

Category=Therapist

Alex "Its your turn Sean Connery"

Sean "I'll take THE-RAPIST for 100 Alex"

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

God I love when facts destroy all other arguments. Cue the music!

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Guys need to calm down. All this team has done is won some regular season games. They haven't really accomplished jack yet. Woody still has a ton of work to do as does Melo. This recent good play doesn't make up for all the poor play up to this point. Nothing has been secured yet!!! Let's take it easy on the victory laps for Woodson.

I'll start stretching if you don't mind...Welcome to consistent play.

MDA goes 8-1 and it's like we won a ring and woody goes 8-1 losing JJ and now Stat (and our D has still looked better than ever) and "Woody has done nothing"

Therein lies the lack of credibility - SMFH

MDA didn't have as much depth during that stretch but both coaches found success getting a ton out of the teams they had. All I'm saying is that I'm happy for Woody and he seems like a great fit for the team but you don't have to kick dirt on MDA as a coach for Woody to be appreciated. MDA is a good coach in his own right and so far Woody is showing he is also a good coach but his job has only just begun!!! Don't get too far ahead of yourselves in praising just yet. Lawrence Frank once had a run like this that got up to 13 games and then things leveled off and reality set in. We'll see what Woody does and hopefully Melo's early suckage doesn't create too deep a hole to get out of for Woody. There are some challenging games ahead.

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

Sometimes you just throw all the stats out and use your eyes. The Team is Winning the right way. It's not off one guy being super hot or off one play another team can't figure out. The team is actually thoroughly beating teams. IMposing their will from 1st quarter to last.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Guys need to calm down. All this team has done is won some regular season games. They haven't really accomplished jack yet. Woody still has a ton of work to do as does Melo. This recent good play doesn't make up for all the poor play up to this point. Nothing has been secured yet!!! Let's take it easy on the victory laps for Woodson.

I'll start stretching if you don't mind...Welcome to consistent play.

MDA goes 8-1 and it's like we won a ring and woody goes 8-1 losing JJ and now Stat (and our D has still looked better than ever) and "Woody has done nothing"

Therein lies the lack of credibility - SMFH

MDA didn't have as much depth during that stretch but both coaches found success getting a ton out of the teams they had. All I'm saying is that I'm happy for Woody and he seems like a great fit for the team but you don't have to kick dirt on MDA as a coach for Woody to be appreciated. MDA is a good coach in his own right and so far Woody is showing he is also a good coach but his job has only just begun!!! Don't get too far ahead of yourselves in praising just yet. Lawrence Frank once had a run like this that got up to 13 games and then things leveled off and reality set in. We'll see what Woody does and hopefully Melo's early suckage doesn't create too deep a hole to get out of for Woody. There are some challenging games ahead.

All I'm saying is you are making this MDA is a good coach as a matter of fact. I disagree. I think he sucked big time. Kicks more dirt on MDAs face.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:Guys need to calm down. All this team has done is won some regular season games. They haven't really accomplished jack yet. Woody still has a ton of work to do as does Melo. This recent good play doesn't make up for all the poor play up to this point. Nothing has been secured yet!!! Let's take it easy on the victory laps for Woodson.

I'll start stretching if you don't mind...Welcome to consistent play.

MDA goes 8-1 and it's like we won a ring and woody goes 8-1 losing JJ and now Stat (and our D has still looked better than ever) and "Woody has done nothing"

Therein lies the lack of credibility - SMFH

MDA didn't have as much depth during that stretch but both coaches found success getting a ton out of the teams they had. All I'm saying is that I'm happy for Woody and he seems like a great fit for the team but you don't have to kick dirt on MDA as a coach for Woody to be appreciated. MDA is a good coach in his own right and so far Woody is showing he is also a good coach but his job has only just begun!!! Don't get too far ahead of yourselves in praising just yet. Lawrence Frank once had a run like this that got up to 13 games and then things leveled off and reality set in. We'll see what Woody does and hopefully Melo's early suckage doesn't create too deep a hole to get out of for Woody. There are some challenging games ahead.

please explain how our suffocating team defense is going to cool off...I just don't see a let down coming

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

Dems are some GOOD APPLES - Damn! I hate when you SPEAK THE TRUTH!!

All I needed to see was that STAT CAN ACTUALLY PLAY DEFENSE and he is not just dumb - to realize how badly they were coached and not held accountable before.

True they might not do better than the 8th seed hence not make it out of the first round but that will only be due to our owner waiting too long to realize how badly this TEAM was underachieving for their coach.

Mike Woodson is showing he is a better coach.

C'mon nixluva, it won't hurt you to admit it.

misterearl wrote:The Will To Win

Mike Woodson is showing he is a better coach.

C'mon nixluva, it won't hurt you to admit it.

Oh ... IT WILL HURT BAD!!

MozelGovCocktail wrote:What has Melo done in the playoffs as a Knick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX92j8wp7f8

besides nearly lead them to a victory in Boston by himself in that game..? can't help that the team was torn with injuries and no one else stepped up...

statandmelo1234 wrote:

MozelGovCocktail wrote:What has Melo done in the playoffs as a Knick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX92j8wp7f8

besides nearly lead them to a victory in Boston by himself in that game..? can't help that the team was torn with injuries and no one else stepped up...

26 pts per, 10.3 rebounds? He did nothing other than get quadruple teamed since his supporting cast was so solid!!

FoeDiddy wrote:

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

Sometimes you just throw all the stats out and use your eyes. The Team is Winning the right way. It's not off one guy being super hot or off one play another team can't figure out. The team is actually thoroughly beating teams. IMposing their will from 1st quarter to last.

Perfect example was the Milwaukee game. Possibly the ugliest game all year, Knicks couldn't buy a bucket. Somehow we gutted it out purely on defense. That's something we would not do at all under the old coach.

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

Sometimes you just throw all the stats out and use your eyes. The Team is Winning the right way. It's not off one guy being super hot or off one play another team can't figure out. The team is actually thoroughly beating teams. IMposing their will from 1st quarter to last.

Perfect example was the Milwaukee game. Possibly the ugliest game all year, Knicks couldn't buy a bucket. Somehow we gutted it out purely on defense. That's something we would not do at all under the old coach.

Yeah ... same with Philly.

But then again, those teams are awful!

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

misterearl wrote:Under Woodson, GENUINE Signs Of Improvement

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/under-woodson-genuine-signs-of-improvement/

Genuine

Using Thursday’s standings, the teams the Knicks faced during their first streak have a combined winning percentage of 40.6 percent. Over the last nine games, the Knicks’ opponents have a more robust 47.9 percent combined winning percentage, meaning Woodson’s Knicks have faced and defeated tougher opponents.

Just as important is how handily the Knicks have won those games. During Linsanity, New York won three games by 10 points or more, and none by more than 15. Under “Woodsanity,” the team has had seven double-digit victories and four of them were by more than 15 points. During this romp, New York has averaged an impressive margin of victory of 18.3 points, 10 points more than their previous streak.

Numerous studies show that teams are better defined by dominating inferior opponents than by winning close games, which means point differential is a better indication of a team’s strength than actual wins. In layman’s terms, during close games any team can end up victorious with a lucky shot or a fortunate whistle.

But it’s unlikely that a team could wander into a blowout by chance. The Knicks’ expected win percentage, a formula that estimates how many games a team would win based on its points for and against, with Woodson at the helm is 89.6 percent. (If New York played at that level for the entire season, its record would be 46-5 instead of 26-25.)

So while Linsanity might have been caused more by a weak schedule and a handful of fortunate plays, this current win streak is clearly a result of the Knicks playing better.

How you like dem apples?

Sometimes you just throw all the stats out and use your eyes. The Team is Winning the right way. It's not off one guy being super hot or off one play another team can't figure out. The team is actually thoroughly beating teams. IMposing their will from 1st quarter to last.

Perfect example was the Milwaukee game. Possibly the ugliest game all year, Knicks couldn't buy a bucket. Somehow we gutted it out purely on defense. That's something we would not do at all under the old coach.

Yeah ... same with Philly.

But then again, those teams are awful!

Somehow facing playoff teams Philly, Indiana twice, Orlando is considered gimme wins in some fans eyes.

ChuckBuck - what you said.

Offense is tempermental. It can make you crazy. It will appear out of nowhere and vanish in an instant.

Defense is forever.

misterearl wrote:Diamonds In The Rough

ChuckBuck - what you said.

Offense is tempermental. It can make you crazy. It will appear out of nowhere and vanish in an instant.

Defense is forever.

I love how this team compares now to the early 90's knicks. I actually think that this team can be better than they were.

misterearl wrote:Diamonds In The Rough

ChuckBuck - what you said.

Offense is tempermental. It can make you crazy. It will appear out of nowhere and vanish in an instant.

Defense is forever.

It's like all your posts are in my head today before you write it, Earl. Uncanny! With the Linsanity team, I was guardedly optimistic that may win a game or 2 possibly a series if they made the playoffs. But with this Woodsanity group, if they secure a decent seed somewhere, you know they're capable of winning a round or 2 in the playoffs because of the way they play, the style of play, the effort, the intangibles. Grinding out wins and not mentioning things like "Flow" or "Spacing" or "Ball being too sticky" yadayada. When the first thing you hear out of the Coach at the post game is "Defense" you know this team is headed in the right direction.

misterearl wrote:The Will To Win

Mike Woodson is showing he is a better coach.

C'mon nixluva, it won't hurt you to admit it.

We saw MDA have success with this team minus Melo. Melo never gave MDA the effort that we see him giving now. If he had there's no way this team is struggling to lock up the 8th seed. This is really a dumb argument, since both coaches have had about the same level of success in the league, MDA perhaps a bit more, but overall MDA had to fight with his star player rather than that player basically doing his job and giving max effort from day one.

And I know some with say look at the defense but lets remember that this team defended better statistically all year when Melo wasn't playing. The same went for STAT, but with Melo it's clear he could easily have played harder all the time. He basically went from doggin it to bustin his hump in one afternoon. You can't say it was Woody's coaching when he hadn't even coached one practice before we saw a renewed Melo on defense!!!! Woody didn't even had a chance to make any changes in the D and the players admitted that it was mostly just effort. They gave that same effort during Linsanity when Melo wasn't playing. Things only got bad when he came back!!! So basically Melo didn't play for MDA. Maybe he didn't like his accent. Melo played for Woody without so much as a practice to work off of. It was too abrupt a turnaround for my taste. I don't want my teams best player acting like that.

We'd better all hope to God that Melo hasn't damaged the teams chances this year by his dogging it most of the year. We should be leading the Atlantic.