Knicks · Shaq said it last night and I agree no more Amare first unit (page 5)

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:There are 48 minutes in an NBA game. Carmelo is going to be playing 35-40 a night in the playoffs. Unless you are playing Amare 8-13 minutes becuase of his back they are going to be playing a significant amount of minutes together, especially down the stretch of games. How is bringing Amare off the bench going to prevent them from playing together?

Amare gets 17 mpg as backup center and 13 as backup PF. That's if he's playing well enough to justify 30 mpg.

That's at least 17 minutes of floor time together. Have the time these two are on the floor they will be playing together. It's impossible to hide this. They need to learn to play together at a high level. Otherwise we are just another team with a high scoring star taht can't get past the real teams when it comes to winning a title.

Yeah, I said I'm skeptical about having the big 3 play together. Two of them at a time should work fine.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Carmelo is not a long-term option at PF, Especially in the playoffs.

Yeah, both he and the team look terrible with him at PF, especially against playoff level teams.

10 game sample size does not make a season. Carmelo Anthony is not a power forward and is the reason why we're getting outrebounded in nearly every game since Amare went down. His position is and always will be SF. He will be able to use his strengths more in that position than at his current one. It doesn't matter what Carmelo is doing now at PF because he would play the exact same way at SF had someone else been starting at PF for Amare. Right now it's the Carmelo show and it has nothing to do with his position. He's still playing the same way, the position change didn't do anything.

Bonn hates small sample sizes.

I don't hate them; I just don't misinterpret them.

You do when it works for you.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

Winning is the best business strategy. Dolan doesn't get that.

Dolan doesn't get alot of things, but he holds the keys. He aint paying for a Ferrari and driving your Chevy because the Chevy will win.
Stat's going to start.

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

But. "You". Don't. Get. To. Put. Him. Anywhere. Neither. Do. "We".

Seriously, doesn't Dolan look stupid enough to you without getting him to be the owner with a max contract sitting on the bench? Then again, maybe you have a point.

Other than stupid wannabe-GM-Coach-Poster wet dreaming, does anyone from a business/franchise/player trade asset value standpoint think Stat on the bench makes sense, or actually has any chance in hell of happening?

Woody: Hey Jimbo, gonna bring Stat along slowly, maybe just a few minutes here and there while Melo rides this streak.
Dolan: Really, who you going to start?
Woody: ummmm, probably who we have been starting.
Dolan: So Fields or the Rook are going to start and Stat's gonna sit? Next to Fishlips and Bibby? and Jorts? and that Walker guy? Woody: Yeah, that's the plan.
Dolan: Mind if I start Herb at Head Coach tonight?
Woody: Right, Stat starting at PF, got it.

You are missing the point. It all about how he is playing. If he's phukin the whole thing up because he was signed to a dumb contract?

If it works with him in the starting lineup (and it will be tried) then great. If not, ride the pine and figure out how to earn some of that money that we wasted.

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

But. "You". Don't. Get. To. Put. Him. Anywhere. Neither. Do. "We".

Seriously, doesn't Dolan look stupid enough to you without getting him to be the owner with a max contract sitting on the bench? Then again, maybe you have a point.

Other than stupid wannabe-GM-Coach-Poster wet dreaming, does anyone from a business/franchise/player trade asset value standpoint think Stat on the bench makes sense, or actually has any chance in hell of happening?

Woody: Hey Jimbo, gonna bring Stat along slowly, maybe just a few minutes here and there while Melo rides this streak.
Dolan: Really, who you going to start?
Woody: ummmm, probably who we have been starting.
Dolan: So Fields or the Rook are going to start and Stat's gonna sit? Next to Fishlips and Bibby? and Jorts? and that Walker guy? Woody: Yeah, that's the plan.
Dolan: Mind if I start Herb at Head Coach tonight?
Woody: Right, Stat starting at PF, got it.

You are missing the point. It all about how he is playing. If he's phukin the whole thing up because he was signed to a dumb contract?

If it works with him in the starting lineup (and it will be tried) then great. If not, ride the pine and figure out how to earn some of that money that we wasted.

Someone's got to hand out those towels.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

Winning is the best business strategy. Dolan doesn't get that.

Dolan doesn't get alot of things, but he holds the keys. He aint paying for a Ferrari and driving your Chevy because the Chevy will win.
Stat's going to start.

If the Ferrari has a bad engine and keeps stalling and putting him in danger stranded on the BQE in the middle lane, he takes the Chevy.

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

But. "You". Don't. Get. To. Put. Him. Anywhere. Neither. Do. "We".

Seriously, doesn't Dolan look stupid enough to you without getting him to be the owner with a max contract sitting on the bench? Then again, maybe you have a point.

Other than stupid wannabe-GM-Coach-Poster wet dreaming, does anyone from a business/franchise/player trade asset value standpoint think Stat on the bench makes sense, or actually has any chance in hell of happening?

Woody: Hey Jimbo, gonna bring Stat along slowly, maybe just a few minutes here and there while Melo rides this streak.
Dolan: Really, who you going to start?
Woody: ummmm, probably who we have been starting.
Dolan: So Fields or the Rook are going to start and Stat's gonna sit? Next to Fishlips and Bibby? and Jorts? and that Walker guy? Woody: Yeah, that's the plan.
Dolan: Mind if I start Herb at Head Coach tonight?
Woody: Right, Stat starting at PF, got it.

You are missing the point. It all about how he is playing. If he's phukin the whole thing up because he was signed to a dumb contract?

If it works with him in the starting lineup (and it will be tried) then great. If not, ride the pine and figure out how to earn some of that money that we wasted.

Your argument applies to a Lin versus TD scenario, but not a second-tier tripe versus max contract PF. If Stat can walk and breathe, do you really think he's going to volunteer for pine time?

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

But. "You". Don't. Get. To. Put. Him. Anywhere. Neither. Do. "We".

Seriously, doesn't Dolan look stupid enough to you without getting him to be the owner with a max contract sitting on the bench? Then again, maybe you have a point.

Other than stupid wannabe-GM-Coach-Poster wet dreaming, does anyone from a business/franchise/player trade asset value standpoint think Stat on the bench makes sense, or actually has any chance in hell of happening?

Woody: Hey Jimbo, gonna bring Stat along slowly, maybe just a few minutes here and there while Melo rides this streak.
Dolan: Really, who you going to start?
Woody: ummmm, probably who we have been starting.
Dolan: So Fields or the Rook are going to start and Stat's gonna sit? Next to Fishlips and Bibby? and Jorts? and that Walker guy? Woody: Yeah, that's the plan.
Dolan: Mind if I start Herb at Head Coach tonight?
Woody: Right, Stat starting at PF, got it.

You are missing the point. It all about how he is playing. If he's phukin the whole thing up because he was signed to a dumb contract?

If it works with him in the starting lineup (and it will be tried) then great. If not, ride the pine and figure out how to earn some of that money that we wasted.

Someone's got to hand out those towels.

He is a team guy and will do what it takes. If handing out towels will help the team then he is awesome and I know he will do it with a smile.

Were you the one who said "maybe he should be the Pine (instead of riding the pine" ?

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

But. "You". Don't. Get. To. Put. Him. Anywhere. Neither. Do. "We".

Seriously, doesn't Dolan look stupid enough to you without getting him to be the owner with a max contract sitting on the bench? Then again, maybe you have a point.

Other than stupid wannabe-GM-Coach-Poster wet dreaming, does anyone from a business/franchise/player trade asset value standpoint think Stat on the bench makes sense, or actually has any chance in hell of happening?

Woody: Hey Jimbo, gonna bring Stat along slowly, maybe just a few minutes here and there while Melo rides this streak.
Dolan: Really, who you going to start?
Woody: ummmm, probably who we have been starting.
Dolan: So Fields or the Rook are going to start and Stat's gonna sit? Next to Fishlips and Bibby? and Jorts? and that Walker guy? Woody: Yeah, that's the plan.
Dolan: Mind if I start Herb at Head Coach tonight?
Woody: Right, Stat starting at PF, got it.

You are missing the point. It all about how he is playing. If he's phukin the whole thing up because he was signed to a dumb contract?

If it works with him in the starting lineup (and it will be tried) then great. If not, ride the pine and figure out how to earn some of that money that we wasted.

Your argument applies to a Lin versus TD scenario, but not a second-tier tripe versus max contract PF. If Stat can walk and breathe, do you really think he's going to volunteer for pine time?

Volunteer? Are you kidding me?

If he plays like Billy Walker then he sits like Billy Walker.

I don't give a sh1t what he thinks. Play up to your contract or at least show the potential to before you have an opinion or a choice.

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:
Someone's got to hand out those towels.

He is a team guy and will do what it takes. If handing out towels will help the team then he is awesome and I know he will do it with a smile.

Were you the one who said "maybe he should be the Pine (instead of riding the pine" ?

Yes, because I know he will do whatever it takes to support his teammates.

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:
Someone's got to hand out those towels.

He is a team guy and will do what it takes. If handing out towels will help the team then he is awesome and I know he will do it with a smile.

Were you the one who said "maybe he should be the Pine (instead of riding the pine" ?

Yes, because I know he will do whatever it takes to support his teammates.

Haha - playing on "support" now I really get it

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:
Someone's got to hand out those towels.

He is a team guy and will do what it takes. If handing out towels will help the team then he is awesome and I know he will do it with a smile.

Were you the one who said "maybe he should be the Pine (instead of riding the pine" ?

Yes, because I know he will do whatever it takes to support his teammates.

Haha - playing on "support" now I really get it

Congrats.

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

Yes, because as we all well know, the NBA is all about performance, and not money. All these owners and coaches and players are there for the love of the game and the thrill of winning.

Hey, is that IT I see walking back into MSG?

Yes indeedy.

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

You'll have a completely fresh Amare ready to go as soon as Melo sits? Really?

You saying Stat siting for 6-8 mins real time can't play as good as Stat who sits for the whole first quarter???Or is Stat subing in with 6mins to go...... so is stat playing threw the break still "fresh" enough to play???

There is no point.

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

You'll have a completely fresh Amare ready to go as soon as Melo sits? Really?

I don't see the point???

You saying Stat siting for 6-8 mins real time can't play as good as Stat who sits for the whole first quarter???Or is Stat subing in with 6mins to go...... so is stat playing threw the break still "fresh" enough to play???

There is no point.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

You'll have a completely fresh Amare ready to go as soon as Melo sits? Really?

I don't see the point???

You saying Stat siting for 6-8 mins real time can't play as good as Stat who sits for the whole first quarter???Or is Stat subing in with 6mins to go...... so is stat playing threw the break still "fresh" enough to play???

There is no point.

You ever play basketball at a fast pace? You're definitely freshest in the beginning. And 30 min of real time exercise definitely takes a little out of you. Regardless, what matters most is limiting the time that Melo, Chandler, and Amare are all on the floor together.

You're right Bonn--If we can work it where Amare is the main(fresh) guy with unit two and a secondary player with Melo for fewer minutes---then I think we are better. Clogging the lane with all 3 wont work long term-

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last night perfect example

Melo won the game for us in period 1 with great play. We couldve used Amare in unit 2 to pick up where Melo left off--think about how we can be with Stat at 4-5 with JR and novak in the corners to open the floor. I like the starting unit as is. Amare can still get is 28 minutes--we need him.

This is looking more and more like a no brainer. I don't care how much he is making.

You get the same effect if Stats sits with 4 minutes to go.

You'll have a completely fresh Amare ready to go as soon as Melo sits? Really?

I don't see the point???

You saying Stat siting for 6-8 mins real time can't play as good as Stat who sits for the whole first quarter???Or is Stat subing in with 6mins to go...... so is stat playing threw the break still "fresh" enough to play???

There is no point.

You ever play basketball at a fast pace? You're definitely freshest in the beginning. And 30 min of real time exercise definitely takes a little out of you. Regardless, what matters most is limiting the time that Melo, Chandler, and Amare are all on the floor together.

So unless Stat is on the bench for the first 10-12 minutes of the game, how are you saving his freshness for the second quarter, verses letting him start and sitting half way threw the first quarter???