Knicks · OT: Michael Jordan, worst than Isiah as an Executive? (page 1)

In Washington

-Drafting Kwame Brown 1st overall, Juan Dixon, and Jared Jeffries
-Trading Richard Hamilton away for Jerry Stackhouse
-Coming out of retirement to play for the Wizards
-Benching Larry Hughes in favor of Tyronn Lue

In Charlotte
-Hiring Sam Vincent
-Drafted Adam Morrison, Brandan Wright, Jared Dudley, DJ Augustin, Alex Ajinca, Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker
-Not resigning Raymond Felton or Tyson Chandler after making the 1st playoffs in franchise history
-Fired Larry Brown shortly after the Bobcats had just made their 1st playoff appearance
-On pace for the worst record in league history(7-57 so far)

Pretty depressing stuff, wonder what he does for another encore in this year's draft and free agency? Even fellow Tarheel alum and former coach, Larry Brown, gave his airness some much needed criticisum

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/785384...

Who "wins" between MJ and Zeke? That's a tough one for sure. At least MJ knows how to pick his chicks.

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

jrodmc wrote:How many leagues did MJ run into oblivion?
How many lawsuits did MJ have on the backpages?
How many HOF coaches has MJ run out of town?

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

IT's time as an executive were the stuff of legends. It's probably safe to say Jordan's on pace to potentially surpassing Thomas as an executive with his consistent terrible draft selections and questionable to just plain bad trades and management moves. One thing MJ should do from now on is to stay far far away from his team's war room during the draft. Guy could not pick a booger in there.

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:How many leagues did MJ run into oblivion?
How many lawsuits did MJ have on the backpages?
How many HOF coaches has MJ run out of town?

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

IT's time as an executive were the stuff of legends. It's probably safe to say Jordan's on pace to potentially surpassing Thomas as an executive with his consistent terrible draft selections and questionable to just plain bad trades and management moves. One thing MJ should do from now on is to stay far far away from his team's war room during the draft. Guy could not pick a booger in there.

JVG trashed him terribly - I mean amazingly on sunday. LOVE IT!!

gunsnewing wrote:The worst GM of all time would be if isiah & jordan were one and you combined isiahs ineptitude at managing his resources with jordans atrocious inability to scout talent

Man, that'd be like combining to form Voltron. The ultimate in sucktitude!

Some other President/GM's that would form pieces to this giant suck robot:

-Elgin Baylor

Highlights: Baylor spent 22 years as GM of the Los Angeles Clippers. And during that time, the team only made the playoffs three times and produced a miserable 607-1153 record.

Passed up Scottie Pippen for Reggie Williams, Kobe Bryant for Lorenzen Wright and Dirk Nowitzki for Michael Olowokandi.

-Wes Unseld

Highlights: Responsible for trading a young Rasheed Wallace for a much-older Rod Strickland and future four-time Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace for Ike Austin.

Traded Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond.

-Jim Paxson

Highlights: Drafted LeBron James with the top pick in the 2003 draft(Good thing). Also drafted busts like Trajan Langdon, Dajuan Wagner and Luke Jackson. He also drafted Jamal Crawford but traded him for "can't miss" big man Chris Mihm.

Paxson traded Andre Miller for lottery bust Darius Miles and a dealt a first-round draft pick for Jiri Welsch.

Responsible for the Cavs losing Carlos Boozer for nothing.

-Scott Layden

Highlights: Traded Patrick Ewing to Seattle in a four-team deal that sent the Knicks a past-his-prime Glen Rice, Luc Longley and others.

Re-signed Allan Houston to a whopping $100 million contract.

Layden dealt Marcus Camby and the seventh overall pick in the draft (Nene Hilario) to Denver for Antonio McDyess.

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The worst GM of all time would be if isiah & jordan were one and you combined isiahs ineptitude at managing his resources with jordans atrocious inability to scout talent

Man, that'd be like combining to form Voltron. The ultimate in sucktitude!

Some other President/GM's that would form pieces to this giant suck robot:

-Elgin Baylor

Highlights: Baylor spent 22 years as GM of the Los Angeles Clippers. And during that time, the team only made the playoffs three times and produced a miserable 607-1153 record.

Passed up Scottie Pippen for Reggie Williams, Kobe Bryant for Lorenzen Wright and Dirk Nowitzki for Michael Olowokandi.

-Wes Unseld

Highlights: Responsible for trading a young Rasheed Wallace for a much-older Rod Strickland and future four-time Defensive Player of the Year Ben Wallace for Ike Austin.

Traded Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond.

-Jim Paxson

Highlights: Drafted LeBron James with the top pick in the 2003 draft(Good thing). Also drafted busts like Trajan Langdon, Dajuan Wagner and Luke Jackson. He also drafted Jamal Crawford but traded him for "can't miss" big man Chris Mihm.

Paxson traded Andre Miller for lottery bust Darius Miles and a dealt a first-round draft pick for Jiri Welsch.

Responsible for the Cavs losing Carlos Boozer for nothing.

-Scott Layden

Highlights: Traded Patrick Ewing to Seattle in a four-team deal that sent the Knicks a past-his-prime Glen Rice, Luc Longley and others.

Re-signed Allan Houston to a whopping $100 million contract.

Layden dealt Marcus Camby and the seventh overall pick in the draft (Nene Hilario) to Denver for Antonio McDyess.

Layden also traded Spree for Keith Van Horn which ended up being Tim Thomas who we ended up trading away and then getting back for nothing. So he essentially traded Spree for nothing. Love or hate the coach choking and feeding his kids, Spree was the best player on the team for years in the Ewing-decline/post-Ewing years.

jrodmc wrote:How many leagues did MJ run into oblivion?
How many lawsuits did MJ have on the backpages?
How many HOF coaches has MJ run out of town?

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

JROD... Couldn't have put it any better than that. Isaiah wins the gold here.

Moonangie wrote:

jrodmc wrote:How many leagues did MJ run into oblivion?
How many lawsuits did MJ have on the backpages?
How many HOF coaches has MJ run out of town?

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

JROD... Couldn't have put it any better than that. Isaiah wins the gold here.

IT has the edge over Jordan currently. Sexual harassment lawsuits aside, Elgin Baylor probably is the worst NBA GM of all time.

nyvector16 wrote:I think Scott Layden was a worse GM that Isiah.

It's pretty close between those 2. Layden was beyond awful.

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:How many leagues did MJ run into oblivion?
How many lawsuits did MJ have on the backpages?
How many HOF coaches has MJ run out of town?

There is no comparison.

MJ's a bad executive with third-world franchises. Point granted.

IT is the iconic, prototypical management version of a fiery train wreck during a typhoon at the exact point of an oil field explosion. He ran a legendary franchise into the ground and made it as unwatchable, unpleasant and unfollowable as anal surgery.
Except for your National Enquirer types.

IT's time as an executive were the stuff of legends. It's probably safe to say Jordan's on pace to potentially surpassing Thomas as an executive with his consistent terrible draft selections and questionable to just plain bad trades and management moves. One thing MJ should do from now on is to stay far far away from his team's war room during the draft. Guy could not pick a booger in there.

JVG trashed him terribly - I mean amazingly on sunday. LOVE IT!!

did he call him a con artist...

Jordan has cap space and picks.

Layden kept the picks and had expirings.

Isiahs team was a cap nightmare and salary got over 100 mill.

Epic failure.

GustavBahler wrote:Jordan isn't a douche like IT is. Jordan didn't break the bank for retreads the way Isiah did. Jordan will go on record as one of the worst GMs ever but I don't believe any GM brought a franchise lower in pretty much every respect, like Isiah Thomas.

ehhhhhhhhh?

Personally, I couldn't pick a better person to be in that situation

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The worst GM of all time would be if isiah & jordan were one and you combined isiahs ineptitude at managing his resources with jordans atrocious inability to scout talent

Man, that'd be like combining to form Voltron. The ultimate in sucktitude!

Some other President/GM's that would form pieces to this giant suck robot:

-Elgin Baylor

Highlights: Baylor spent 22 years as GM of the Los Angeles Clippers. And during that time, the team only made the playoffs three times and produced a miserable 607-1153 record.

Passed up Scottie Pippen for Reggie Williams, Kobe Bryant for Lorenzen Wright and Dirk Nowitzki for Michael Olowokandi.

To be fair to Elgin Baylor, he was trying to run a team owned by Donald Sterling, ne of the few men out there who makes James Dolan look like the gold standard of professional sports team owners.

Nalod wrote:Isiah takes the cake.

Jordan has cap space and picks.

Layden kept the picks and had expirings.

Isiahs team was a cap nightmare and salary got over 100 mill.

Epic failure.

Isiah has the edge for now.

Jordan's signings and trades have rarely worked. Had the right coach for the job, Larry Brown, but still sent him packing. Proud owner of the worst team in NBA history. Kwame Brown #1 overall 2001 draft and Adam Morrison #3 overall 2006 draft.

Layden traded Patrick Ewing and their first round pick in 2001. Signed Allan Houston to a fully guaranteed 6 yr $100 million contract to a player who never averaged 20 pts a game, which eventually capped out the Knicks during the mid 2000s. By far his worst move, drafting Nene, then trading him and Marcus Camby for Antonio McDyess. Layden never had any draft picks, he always included them in bad trades. His drafts include winners such as Frank Williams and Mike Sweetney. His final nail was trading away Latrell Sprewell for Keith Van Horn.

Isiah basically made Layden's mess worse. Moves to get Curry, Jeffries, and Jerome Jordan are the stuff of legends. Trying to pair Stephon Marbury and Steve Francis in the same backcourt was pure comedy. His draft picks were pretty solid though.

1)Isiah 1a)Layden 2)Jordan and elevating

In Charlotte, its his team. He is the majority owner.

One thing is he tanking to rebuild. Tank and trade picks is one thing, but to do it thru the draft (if that is what he is doing) then he has a chance. Get the right pick and you can set the franchise up for years.

Isiah did his epic failure by having a payroll I think with taxes went to about 119 million. Double the cap and could not make the playoffs. Sexual harassment suit, sub 30 win seasons and he has the honor of hiring Larry Brown and under his watch paid him 18mil for one season!

That and they did not make the playoffs! Jordan at least hired and fired the SAME GUY but at least larry got them to the playoffs.

Jordan made some bad picks, but he never traded for a malcontent like Marbury.

Layden crap job is not as epic as Isiah and Layden is in the legions of other crap GM jobs thru the NBA history.

He has a "Wiki": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Layde...

I am generally under the assumption that Layden is a smart knowledgeable good family guy but was coming in to be Dolans guy and was under his direction. Am I a Layden apologist? Maybe it sounds that way. I don't think the guy was evil or was that inept on his own. His cred was the work he did in Utah as an assistant and that was thru the draft. The Ewing debacle was unavoidable from his stand point and he made a bad deal. We don't know his choices nor what pressure he was under by Dolan to move him.

No doubt his record as GM is his legacy and roster moves are indefensible. They stand on their own for what they were. I just contend he was Dolans patsy puppet GM and was certainly did not have the cred to stand up to a dominant owner and the harsh NY media. Nalod would say Layden was a bad hire from the beginning. Maybe an apologist would be defending his legacy.

Even Donnie Walsh a super respected man by his peers and the Media could not keep his juice card intact and was undermined by Dolan. Donnie at least had the good sense to leave rather than be subjected to being hired to do a job and have your idiot owner Shyt all over it.

Lets be real for a moment, what saved this season was Dolans ability to amnesty a 14million dollar salary AND go out and replace it in the same year!!!! I don't recall any other team doing such a thing. I like grunwald but few GM's get that kind of funding to pull such a move.

Layden was inept and over his head. Isiah was over confident, dishonest, inept and fiscally irresponsible. There is no comparison that Isiah's job was a far larger epic failure than not just Layden, but perhaps in all of professional sports.

Given the magnificent financial considerations, the way by which he bumbled dismissing Don Chaney and the further debacle when he tried to negotiate with Fratello and ended up with Lenny Wilkens, the idiot trades, AnuchaGate, The year of Larry, the Marbury trade, the way he empowered/enabled Marbury, and his inability to coach his own mess perhaps far exceeds any other had GM job when you total it up. Elgin Baylor needed 22 years to amass such a lousy resume!

ChuckBuck wrote:

nyvector16 wrote:I think Scott Layden was a worse GM that Isiah.

It's pretty close between those 2. Layden was beyond awful.

wow, I forgot all about Layden. That dude was putrid, made some really awful moves and, then after the McDyess fiasco, it was reported that he became shell shocked and incapable of pulling the trigger on any other moves.

That said, his awfulness doesn't hold a candle to Isiah's prolific stinkage.

How a guy with such a good eye for rooky talent could be so bad a judging current players and vet. Just about every draft pick was golden but, his move for (then) current player were terrible. Mo Taylor anyone!!!!