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Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
agree.. but its just the timing, and I have zero doubts this kid will be back and better.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:it wont be. I know what I know. Do your research mate... the guys who didnt come back from ACL surgery fall into one of two catagories:fishmike wrote:Danny Manning and Livinston did NOT have ACL reconstructs. They had their whole knees done.I gave you examples. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL 20 something games into his sophmore season. The following season he played 80 games, averaged 25 minutes at had his best year as a pro. The following year he played another 80 games and went from 11ppg to 17ppg.
We could do this all day.
Danny Manning and Livinston are terrible examples because the did NOT HAVE THE SAME INJURY OR SURGERY.
I hope your right Fish. I like Shump a lot I think he has so much potential to be a great player, I think this injury will take longer to recover from than 10 months. it's going to be a much loner process to get Shump back to 100%.
1) they were old and had dimishing athleticism
2) more than just the ACL was injured.80,000 people tear their ALC each year. My kid cousin got her done cheerleading. Just dont rush them back. It needs 10 months. Shump will be 100% by next March. Not ideal, but better than nothing.
fish, appreciate the insight. really relieved to hear about it.
i think the backcourt will be a strength. Lin & Shump are two good, young players. its these other guys i'm worried about.
10 months from now for Shump is a march return. (may, june, july, august, september, october, november, december, january, february are the ten full months). so we'll need a 2-guard for the first four months of the season.
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
agree.. but its just the timing, and I have zero doubts this kid will be back and better.
Hopefully he can spend a lot of his time working on his shot even if he can't run at full speed. How long until he can just shoot at 100%?
As a 21 year old man, Shumps is about to go threw rehab that will strengthen his core stronger than it has ever been in his life. I really expect Shumps back better than he left. Can't wait.
Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
I have to tell you, I think you are talking out your ass.
Could you please show us your research? Make it particular to Pro athletes.
Otherwise I think you are spreading a lot of misinformation.
Anji wrote:I don't understand this 10months talk. The conservative time is 8 from everything that's being reported.10 months is the rule of thumb for an ALC replacement taken from your own body. Sometimes they use cadavers which is strong right out of the game. This is how Jerry Rice came back in like 10 weeks or something silly (I believe he hurt himself again)As a 21 year old man, Shumps is about to go threw rehab that will strengthen his core stronger than it has ever been in his life. I really expect Shumps back better than he left. Can't wait.
I guess it depends on what his procedure entails and the extent of the injury.
General rule of thumb for ACL is a short year (10 months).
Most of my dialogue on this thread was in response to "Shumpert being a shell of his former self for years to come" which is just silly
martin wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
I have to tell you, I think you are talking out your ass.
Could you please show us your research? Make it particular to Pro athletes.
Otherwise I think you are spreading a lot of misinformation.
Full recovery from an ACL takes time Martin. Recovery period can range from 6-12 months. Shump will play but will he be fully effective like the Shump we knew before surgery. Even after playing we may not see the Shumpert before the surgery until another 6-12 months have passed by. Your not taking into consideration the psychological effects of having an ACL tear. Shumperts game is such an athletic game that it makes a difference in Recovery time to get to full recovery. The Knicks and fans are going to have exercise patience next year when Shump comes back. I don't doubt He will make a full recovery.
http://youthsportsblog.childrenscolorado...
Vmart wrote:martin wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
I have to tell you, I think you are talking out your ass.
Could you please show us your research? Make it particular to Pro athletes.
Otherwise I think you are spreading a lot of misinformation.
Full recovery from an ACL takes time Martin. Recovery period can range from 6-12 months. Shump will play but will he be fully effective like the Shump we knew before surgery. Even after playing we may not see the Shumpert before the surgery until another 6-12 months have passed by. Your not taking into consideration the psychological effects of having an ACL tear. Shumperts game is such an athletic game that it makes a difference in Recovery time to get to full recovery. The Knicks and fans are going to have exercise patience next year when Shump comes back. I don't doubt He will make a full recovery.
http://youthsportsblog.childrenscolorado...
Andrew and I both have had ACL reconstruction and hang around athletes who play sports at a fairly high level. Pro athletes are at a different level in terms of their own bodies and the access to therapy, recovery, facilities etc.
I don't find what you have sited to match my own experience or knowledge. I don't see anything that also relates to pro athletes.
martin wrote:Vmart wrote:martin wrote:Vmart wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:but then we are saying the same thing. Its a one year injury. Thats all Im saying. 100% recovery. It FEELS longer because it happened at the dead end of this season so it feels like its phucking up 2 years. Its just timing. If this happened around Christmas he would be back next year 100% chomping at the bit.Moonangie wrote:I also had an ACL reconstruction (complete tear in left knee) and after six month rehab played competitive hoops again. I never really completed my rehab and I was never the same defensively on the court. The lateral motion requirements were very difficult to reclaim.That said, if an NBA player does a more comprehensive rehab, there is NO reason he shouldn't be able to reclaim his explosiveness and agility. Obviously, there is no longer a ligament in the knee, but the rehab focuses on developing surrounding muscles to compensate. Shump may lose a bit of his explosive quickness, but he will still be excellent on ball defender. And if he stays emotionally positive, he won't lose any of his focus or mental toughness.
I think he should be back to his old form before next season's playoffs.
I agree with you the process is definitely longer. For some reason basketball recovery is different than Football. I got him being back to high level around November next year.
Yeah because it happened at the end it's going to seem like two years recovery but still 17 months for Shump. Basically to see the Shump before surgery.
I have to tell you, I think you are talking out your ass.
Could you please show us your research? Make it particular to Pro athletes.
Otherwise I think you are spreading a lot of misinformation.
Full recovery from an ACL takes time Martin. Recovery period can range from 6-12 months. Shump will play but will he be fully effective like the Shump we knew before surgery. Even after playing we may not see the Shumpert before the surgery until another 6-12 months have passed by. Your not taking into consideration the psychological effects of having an ACL tear. Shumperts game is such an athletic game that it makes a difference in Recovery time to get to full recovery. The Knicks and fans are going to have exercise patience next year when Shump comes back. I don't doubt He will make a full recovery.
http://youthsportsblog.childrenscolorado...Andrew and I both have had ACL reconstruction and hang around athletes who play sports at a fairly high level. Pro athletes are at a different level in terms of their own bodies and the access to therapy, recovery, facilities etc.
I don't find what you have sited to match my own experience or knowledge. I don't see anything that also relates to pro athletes.
That is so true Martin their rehab is unlike a normal person. They are pushed to extraordinary levels when rehabbing. I didn't take that into consideration. Regardless I still think that Shump will get better with time. Full recovery still a next november or December.