franco12 wrote:Vmart wrote:gunsnewing wrote:I dont think phil jackson is going to want to return at his age with health problems and a knicks team that is not a lock to make it the finals over lebron, wade & the miami heat. Rest assure that Miami will get Nash & Grant Hill next year too.
Let him turn the Knicks down and then the next step can be taken. But let him turn the Knicks down.
Phil's girl friend is quoted as saying he doesn't care about money. But, you throw $20M at him for 2 years of work, I'm sure he'll suddenly care about money.
That scratch buys a lot of wd40 for his hip & knees!
They all care about Money.
I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
this is the other reason I don't want Woodson back.
I'll root for him, and this team for a while longer- but Dolan is really a test of fan loyalty.
franco12 wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
this is the other reason I don't want Woodson back.
I'll root for him, and this team for a while longer- but Dolan is really a test of fan loyalty.
He really really is. He better be careful if he doesn't want to lose fans to them Brooklyn boys.
JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
Grunwald brought in Lin, Novak, Davis, Smith, Jeffries, amnestied Chauncey to get Tyson and brought in Woodson as the defensive assistant. All sound basketball moves in my opinion. What makes him a yes man? Is it because he is a low profile guy?
Vmart wrote:ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
the players deserve the blame. they screwed themselves out of a deep playoff run because they refused to come out and play hard against the cavs
CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
Grunwald brought in Lin, Novak, Davis, Smith, Jeffries, amnestied Chauncey to get Tyson and brought in Woodson as the defensive assistant. All sound basketball moves in my opinion. What makes him a yes man? Is it because he is a low profile guy?
Davis and Smith sucked here. Not sure why he's praised for those moves.
Not sure why he deserves all the credit for Lin and Novak either, since I highly doubt he saw them being major pieces to this team.
Jeffries was coming back regardless.
The only legit move he made was for Tyson Chandler. The jury is still out on Grunwald. The majority of this team is still Walsh's.
JamesKPolk wrote:CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
Grunwald brought in Lin, Novak, Davis, Smith, Jeffries, amnestied Chauncey to get Tyson and brought in Woodson as the defensive assistant. All sound basketball moves in my opinion. What makes him a yes man? Is it because he is a low profile guy?
Davis and Smith sucked here. Not sure why he's praised for those moves.
Not sure why he deserves all the credit for Lin and Novak either, since I highly doubt he saw them being major pieces to this team.
Jeffries was coming back regardless.
The only legit move he made was for Tyson Chandler. The jury is still out on Grunwald. The majority of this team is still Walsh's.
Smith struggled some but he was a desired guy and a big pick up at the time. Davis struggled but again was a desired commodity and came for the vets minimum. I really disagree about Lin. He was at a point where his contract was going to be guaranteed and he couldn't get minutes. Grunwald sent him to the d-l with Jordan. It was the first time the Knicks used the d-l to develop players. In the past I think Lin would have been waived because I don't think D'Antoni was going to play him. Sending him to the d-l kept him on the Knicks in my opinion and proved a commitment to improve young players in different ways for a team without draft picks. I don't think Grunwald is a yes man. I think he is a low proflie guy. I don't know how he would handle a situation like Walsh was put in with the Melo trade but nothing that he has done indicates to me that he is a yes man.
Wherever Davis played, he was playing for the min. Cleveland was picking up his tab no matter where he went.
Ha ha. I don't mind getting Woodby back, but I hear where you guys are coming from. It's all part of the hell of being a Knick fan.
IMO:
1. Woody had a pretty good run considering the circumstances. His team won the first playoff game this team has won in 11 years.
The series was otherwise unimpressive, but it's something no other Knick coach has been able to do for 11 years.
1. Phil Jackson doesn't want to coach here (or anywhere?).
2. If not Phil, then who?
3. Dolan and Grunwald like the Woodman.
Phil Jackson will only coach Knicks if certain players are traded out. Phil isn't going to go through another circus season with Melo in the team. No way is Phil Jackson going to take a job in NY anytime soon. He isn't crazy enough to do it.
1) Phil Jackson
2) Jeff Van Gundy
3) Jerry Sloan
4) Mike Woodson
This should be our options in order. Staying with JR, not finding a way to get Novak open and that loss to Cleveland are unforgivable.
Vmart wrote:ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
1 really bad game? How about the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?
CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:CrushAlot wrote:JamesKPolk wrote:He's coming back. It's over. Dolan runs this show and his new yes-man (Grunwald) is giving Dolan A+ grades to Woodson.
Grunwald brought in Lin, Novak, Davis, Smith, Jeffries, amnestied Chauncey to get Tyson and brought in Woodson as the defensive assistant. All sound basketball moves in my opinion. What makes him a yes man? Is it because he is a low profile guy?
Davis and Smith sucked here. Not sure why he's praised for those moves.
Not sure why he deserves all the credit for Lin and Novak either, since I highly doubt he saw them being major pieces to this team.
Jeffries was coming back regardless.
The only legit move he made was for Tyson Chandler. The jury is still out on Grunwald. The majority of this team is still Walsh's.
Smith struggled some but he was a desired guy and a big pick up at the time. Davis struggled but again was a desired commodity and came for the vets minimum. I really disagree about Lin. He was at a point where his contract was going to be guaranteed and he couldn't get minutes. Grunwald sent him to the d-l with Jordan. It was the first time the Knicks used the d-l to develop players. In the past I think Lin would have been waived because I don't think D'Antoni was going to play him. Sending him to the d-l kept him on the Knicks in my opinion and proved a commitment to improve young players in different ways for a team without draft picks. I don't think Grunwald is a yes man. I think he is a low proflie guy. I don't know how he would handle a situation like Walsh was put in with the Melo trade but nothing that he has done indicates to me that he is a yes man.
Why must you keep up this BIAS against MDA? Grunwald wanted to bring in Lin, because he remembered what the kid's strengths where and felt that it would fit well with MDA's system. Grunwald remembered that MDA liked the kid but felt he was raw. There were no practice days for Lin to get a chance to show what he could do. I posted the schedule and when Lin came to the team after missing Training Camp with the Knicks so that was a huge loss that he could not learn the system. It's not that MDA had no interest in playing Lin. They were trying to get Lin extra work on the side and the D League stint was just what he needed. With all the pressure on MDA this year why would he just take a chance on the kid with no evidence he could even play? You would've been cautious too, given the problems the team was having and not having a contract for the next year. The Kid had never done ANYTHING in the NBA worth noting.
Grunwald wasn't perfect. I don't think he did the team any favors by going with older PG's when there were younger ones that he could've gone after. Now we're going to learn what Grunwald is really worth. This is going to be a tough haul, trying to improve this team with few assets.
gunsnewing wrote:Vmart wrote:ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?
I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.
nixluva wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Vmart wrote:ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?
I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.
Melo wasn't trying early in the season when he put up a few 30+ point games before the risk injury?
also beating cleveland is never easy for the knicks
gunsnewing wrote:also beating cleveland is never easy for the knicks
Tru, Cleveland is no joke.
gunsnewing wrote:nixluva wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Vmart wrote:ATrain wrote:I agree 10,000%. He should be welcomed to continue as an assistant though
gunsnewing wrote:Amazing when was the last time a Knicks coach had a stretch of 18-6 against tough teams oh wait JVG
I wouldn't mind JVG if he'd like to come back.
That 18-6 was awesome but the loss to Cleveland let me know everything I needed to know.
1 really bad game? How about the losses to the 2 losses each to the Raptors & bucks? Losses to the bobcats, hornets, wizards, cavs, suns, rockets, nuggets, warriors, Nets? All under Dantoni that helped bury the team and cement a 7th seed 1st round matchup with the best team in the NBA?
I can bet that if Melo had played worth a damn all year that it would've made a huge difference in those games. The team got back to .500 and Melo promptly destroyed the momentum they had when he came back!! KILLED IT DEAD!!! 2-8 when Melo came back. Then Melo decides to play hard and the team goes on a win streak, but the offense devolves into ISO Melo and we see that we have a real problem going forward.
Melo wasn't trying early in the season when he put up a few 30+ point games before the risk injury?
Jacking up shots isn't necessarily trying to play team ball and win. He only risked injury cuz he wasn't in great shape which was his own fault. Basically everything that happened to Melo was his own doing. He can't lay blame on anyone else for his failure to lead his team to winning the Div. Title this year. We were only a few wins short of doing that so all those AWFUL games he played for most of the season is what ultimately killed the teams chances. People want to lay it on MDA, but MDA put the ball in his hands and said lead this team!!! No coach can bestow more opportunity to a player than that.
You don't have to dig very deep to know why this team didn't win more games this year. This is why:
MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Jan 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
Feb 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
Mar 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
You can add in that Melo's inability to succeed while also raising the level of play of his teammates is another reason. He really never did anything to help STAT succeed or Tyson for that matter. For a guy that has the ball as much as he does he has the obligation to make sure his teammates thrive as well. That's all MDA was trying to teach him. That was the whole idea of learning how to get the ball in the post and look for his teammates too. But you've got to TRULY WANT to grow as a player and to accept new things that will help you as a leader. Melo balked at it and finally got his way and now as a team we're stuck in LIMBO. Our other 2 big money players can't thrive playing Melo ball and we can't win that way either.
Woody bet it all on Melo and it came up snake eyes. He should've tried to make Melo see the benefits of team ball at the same time as giving him some ISO.
