I thought linsanity had a brief return when Woodson took over and was effective.
Felton to me has "Backup" written on his forehead.
If our coaches like him and he fits financially, I'd bring him back.
gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The Felton I remember as a Knick called his own number too much, couldn't run the P&R with Stat, or stay in shape. We need to find a real floor general to make these pieces fit. Nash taking another offer or staying in Phoenix shouldn't stop the Knicks from trying to get some veteran leadership at point. I know some posters want to crown Lin the heir apparent but he still needs seasoning. Lin would do well to learn from a veteran PG.
everyone understands we need to add a young backup pg who can push the temple or a veteran so Lins minutes can be kept around 30-35 to prolong his knick career anx give us better depth then just mike bibby
I don't believe Lin is ready to take this team to a title for another couple of seasons. If anything he should be coming off the bench in favor of a veteran PG who can still run an offense. Lin still has a bad habit of telegraphing his passes, and the rest of the league has his game scoped out now so he has some work to do.
As I've said before, this team as constructed doesn't have a very long shelf life. I'd rather this squad was led by an experienced veteran who has been doing it year in and year out (healthier than Bibby) while Lin is groomed to take over if he can prove that he can do it.
If Linsanity never ended I would be all for starting him from day one but it did, quite abruptly. It was a great run but not enough to make him the unquestioned starter for the next 6-10 years. He still has to prove that he can do it. If he shows up for camp and has elevated his game as a floor general then I'd be willing to reconsider my stance.
His attitude has started going downhill, which is a surprise as I used to think he was a tough, hard worker. I really thought he was going to be a fan favourite when we signed him. Turns out he's lazy when it comes to conditioning, and starting to suffer the consequences- I think he even said this season that he hates gym's, everything about them. When he signed with us he said he was going to start the season in the best shape of his life. Then he turned up to training camp over weight and out of shape. Unfortunately he wasn't actually lying- that was the best shape of his life.
Plus he's bitter with us for doing the dirty on him. He was miserable and complaining with Denver, he was miserable and complaining with the Blazers too. I'm curious to see how much he gets and who makes the offer. Will he actually use the summer to lose weight or will he come into next season bigger than ever?
Its a shame- I watched an old recorded game of him from last season while he was still with us, and he looked good. Unfortunately I think that stretch (and he was already starting to decline when we traded him) was the best he'll ever play.
GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The Felton I remember as a Knick called his own number too much, couldn't run the P&R with Stat, or stay in shape. We need to find a real floor general to make these pieces fit. Nash taking another offer or staying in Phoenix shouldn't stop the Knicks from trying to get some veteran leadership at point. I know some posters want to crown Lin the heir apparent but he still needs seasoning. Lin would do well to learn from a veteran PG.
everyone understands we need to add a young backup pg who can push the temple or a veteran so Lins minutes can be kept around 30-35 to prolong his knick career anx give us better depth then just mike bibby
I don't believe Lin is ready to take this team to a title for another couple of seasons. If anything he should be coming off the bench in favor of a veteran PG who can still run an offense. Lin still has a bad habit of telegraphing his passes, and the rest of the league has his game scoped out now so he has some work to do.
As I've said before, this team as constructed doesn't have a very long shelf life. I'd rather this squad was led by an experienced veteran who has been doing it year in and year out (healthier than Bibby) while Lin is groomed to take over if he can prove that he can do it.
If Linsanity never ended I would be all for starting him from day one but it did, quite abruptly. It was a great run but not enough to make him the unquestioned starter for the next 6-10 years. He still has to prove that he can do it. If he shows up for camp and has elevated his game as a floor general then I'd be willing to reconsider my stance.
melk is 27 how does he not have a long shelf life? Kobe is 36 and still leading the leaugue in scoring and he came right out of high school like garnett who is pushing 40 and still playing at a high level. You trade Amare or let his contract come off the books and Melo will be 30 and Tyson 33 and Lin in his prime @26
gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The Felton I remember as a Knick called his own number too much, couldn't run the P&R with Stat, or stay in shape. We need to find a real floor general to make these pieces fit. Nash taking another offer or staying in Phoenix shouldn't stop the Knicks from trying to get some veteran leadership at point. I know some posters want to crown Lin the heir apparent but he still needs seasoning. Lin would do well to learn from a veteran PG.
everyone understands we need to add a young backup pg who can push the temple or a veteran so Lins minutes can be kept around 30-35 to prolong his knick career anx give us better depth then just mike bibby
I don't believe Lin is ready to take this team to a title for another couple of seasons. If anything he should be coming off the bench in favor of a veteran PG who can still run an offense. Lin still has a bad habit of telegraphing his passes, and the rest of the league has his game scoped out now so he has some work to do.
As I've said before, this team as constructed doesn't have a very long shelf life. I'd rather this squad was led by an experienced veteran who has been doing it year in and year out (healthier than Bibby) while Lin is groomed to take over if he can prove that he can do it.
If Linsanity never ended I would be all for starting him from day one but it did, quite abruptly. It was a great run but not enough to make him the unquestioned starter for the next 6-10 years. He still has to prove that he can do it. If he shows up for camp and has elevated his game as a floor general then I'd be willing to reconsider my stance.
melk is 27 how does he not have a long shelf life? Kobe is 36 and still leading the leaugue in scoring and he came right out of high school like garnett who is pushing 40 and still playing at a high level. You trade Amare or let his contract come off the books and Melo will be 30 and Tyson 33
Citing a rare exception doesn't mean Melo has a long shelf life. Melo is a nine-year vet who doesn't take good care of his body, had multiple surgeries last summer, and multiple injuries this season.
Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.
I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees! 
TymeLessKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:TymeLessKnicks wrote:Linsanity occurred under MDA, never forget that.I have high doubts he can reach those levels great play under this Melo ISO offense.
Nash makes Nash good
Lin makes Lin good
TD made TD bad
Felton got fat
Or how about this one...
Nash became the Nash we know after playing for MDA. They never really changed the system in Phoenix.
Lin played well (although super high turnovers) under MDA's offense. It was very evident of MDA's style and the closest thing we have had since Felton ran it.
Who is TD?
nope? Nash was a beast in Phoenix and Cuban let him go because he felt it was stifling Dirk's development. Dude was already averaging 20 and a crap load of assists.
DurzoBlint wrote:TymeLessKnicks wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:TymeLessKnicks wrote:Linsanity occurred under MDA, never forget that.I have high doubts he can reach those levels great play under this Melo ISO offense.
Nash makes Nash good
Lin makes Lin good
TD made TD bad
Felton got fat
Or how about this one...
Nash became the Nash we know after playing for MDA. They never really changed the system in Phoenix.
Lin played well (although super high turnovers) under MDA's offense. It was very evident of MDA's style and the closest thing we have had since Felton ran it.
Who is TD?
nope? Nash was a beast in Phoenix and Cuban let him go because he felt it was stifling Dirk's development. Dude was already averaging 20 and a crap load of assists.
Nash went from being an ordinary all-star to a hall-of-famer the minute he joined Phoenix.
Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!
lol yes 30. So you are saying paul pierce who is kobe physically declined at 30? He is almost 40 now and still the best player on his team that consists of garnett and ray allen. If you want to tell me smaller guards not named nash & kidd decline in their early 30s then fine. Not a 6'9 sf/pf
What does that mean. If he'd stayed in Dallas he'd still be HOF bound. In Phoenix he was the number1 option with the keys so of course some stats would rise (only logical). Yet anyone who watched then saw Mike did very little coaching on those sidelines, allowing Nash to do what he did.
I say that is more of MDA being lucky as hell. Hell, Even Steph looked good in that system.
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!
lol yes 30. So you are saying paul pierce who is kobe physically declined at 30? He is almost 40 now and still the best player on his team that consists of garnett and ray allen. If you want to tell me smaller guards not named nash & kidd decline in their early 30s then fine. Not a 6'9 sf/pf
I have not seen evidence that declining occurs at different ages by position. That sounds more like wishful thinking.
Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!
A few people have said Melo is kind of like Paul Pierce, and he's still going strong at 34/35. Amar'e is a bigger concern though- this is an important offseason for him, depending on whether he can modify his game to prolong his career.
smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Ok maybe he declines at 33-35. That still gives you an 8yr window. You really think he will be shot by 3°?
It's impossible to say. The average player peaks at 25 statistically and then declines gradually, with a sharp decline occurring around 30 (and average is the most common, probable scenario). People become reassured that you can defy age when they see the rare examples of players in their early 30s playing at a great level but those are just rare examples.I assume you meant 30, not 3 degrees!
A few people have said Melo is kind of like Paul Pierce, and he's still going strong at 34/35. Amar'e is a bigger concern though- this is an important offseason for him, depending on whether he can modify his game to prolong his career.
It's OK as a fan to hope Melo ages like Paul Pierce but an organization should not build a team around the expectation that he will.
I feel that oyr window for success is not very lenghty. we need to win within the next 2-3 years. i mean some keep saying be patient but amare and tyson are gonna be 30 and they have injury issues. melo will be 28 whihc is ok because i feel he can still be real good up until his mid 30's but next year hopefully we can go at least to the ECF
We talking about Felton? Felton? A player that nobody knows exists anymore?
I may go off and start a "Where's Duhon?" thread...
