Knicks · With Chandler, Melo, and Stat probably only having 3 solid yrs left. I can see Knicks brass giving Nash the MLE. (page 2)
I'd say Nash would have been almost automatic to come had SSOL been effective.
It do miss LIn penetration in the lane and opening it up for Melo and Stat.
It SHOULD work in theory.
Possibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.Possibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
Thank you.
I have gone into my secret chamber and declared Nash a "StarPhuck".
I will grant you my reason.
If the team went to conf finals and lost, and the final piece was Nash and I think the east gets no better I go with it.
We have not found a formula that works with our "Big THree".
Thus, Nash is a starphuch. Its worsens when you give up on young guys.
Lin is going to be in his third year; normally it takes 5-7 years for players to find their real level. Lin will probably get better -- maybe not Nash or Paul -- but good enough to be competitive on any given day. If that works out, we will have a point guard that we developed (always a source of pride for me), who no one saw.
Melo has about 5 years more of effective basketball. Stat has a couple. Their contracts will expire just at the time Lin is peaking as a PG; so we have someone to build with even if our current crop of stars age.
So what we will get in NY is very competitive basketball for much of this decade, not like what we saw the last decade. Probably all the way into the ECF for most of those years if we get a healthy team into the playoffs. We got the bad draw this year on that count.
We reduce the probability of a bad team even with this set of players if we find a really good coach that can make Amare + Melo + Tyson work.
So I would rather that we get a good coach (to figure out Stat, Melo, etc) + Lin + healthy players.
And we aim to keep Shump and Novak.
Knixkik wrote:Only 3 years left? Melo will only be 31 in 3 years and Chandler shouldn't decline much as long as he can stay healthy. Knicks could easily get rid of Stoudemire at that point and build once more arouMelo, Chandler, Lin, and Shumpert. Not much should change in 3 years.
Exactly thank you Knixkik
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
What if we can't make it work numbers-wise? That's the question right. We hope for a sunny day where both Lin and Nash can be accommodated financially, but assuming them as maximizing economic actors, we have to assume it might not be possible .
Who do we choose?
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
That and a quarter will get him a gum ball. Lin is not a veteran who's earned tens of millions already. No way he will or should take a gigantic pay cut.
Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
That and a quarter will get him a gum ball. Lin is not a veteran who's earned tens of millions already. No way he will or should take a gigantic pay cut.
It might get him a gumball but it can also increase his effectiveness as a PG and long term increase his value. Lin is going to get his share of endorsements, worldwide, lets not act like his paycheck will be the only money he will be taking in. Lin will have much more exposure in NY even coming off the bench for a couple of years than he would possibly playing for a small market team.
GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
That and a quarter will get him a gum ball. Lin is not a veteran who's earned tens of millions already. No way he will or should take a gigantic pay cut.It might get him a gumball but it can also increase his effectiveness as a PG and long term increase his value. Lin is going to get his share of endorsements, worldwide, lets not act like his paycheck will be the only money he will be taking in. Lin will have much more exposure in NY even coming off the bench for a couple of years than he would possibly playing for a small market team.
The difference between the MLE and LLE is too huge though. No way he takes a 2 year, $5 mil offer (LLE) over a 5 year, $30 mil offer just to learn from the a great PG or just to some day increase his value. That's $25 mil in guaranteed money in a professional where you can have a career ending injury at any moment.
RoyBatty wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
What if we can't make it work numbers-wise? That's the question right. We hope for a sunny day where both Lin and Nash can be accommodated financially, but assuming them as maximizing economic actors, we have to assume it might not be possible .Who do we choose?
I understand its a possibility that Lin could walk. My problem is that some posters (not necessarily you) are treating Lin like he is the second coming of Rondo based on Linsanity. Lin still has to develop.
What we need right now is a PG who can put Melo, Stat and everyone else, on the same page. If one of the greatest PGs ever is available for very little, and still playing at a high level, I think you have to go for it. I don't want to kick the can down the road any longer. To me penciling Lin is as the starter when his skills as PG aren't there yet is doing just that.
Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:You guys are really fixated on Nash's age. Its not like we're talking about Nash being a long term solution. Saying that he's old over and over again won't change the fact that he is still one of the best PG's in the league, old or not.the fixation is Nash vs Lin becaue you dont get both. So your picking 39yo over a 22 yo. Bad callPossibly giving the MLE to a guy still averaging almost 11 assists per game is not starphuching. Only Rondo has more assists and it takes him 5 more minutes per game to do it. Steve Francis was a starphuch, Nash isn't. He is still one of the best floor generals in the league.
Starphuch should apply to players who are getting paid more than they're worth, based on past success, to fill the seats, but I'll leave that up to Nalod.
Nash is a bargain if he were to accept the MLE. Probably won't but you never know.
You offer Nash the MLE and offer to sign Lin for less. Lin has a chance to learn from one of the greatest PGs to ever play the game and if he learns enough he takes over for Nash eventually. I don't consider it a given that he is the future and right now in the present Nash is a much better PG for the roster we have.
That and a quarter will get him a gum ball. Lin is not a veteran who's earned tens of millions already. No way he will or should take a gigantic pay cut.It might get him a gumball but it can also increase his effectiveness as a PG and long term increase his value. Lin is going to get his share of endorsements, worldwide, lets not act like his paycheck will be the only money he will be taking in. Lin will have much more exposure in NY even coming off the bench for a couple of years than he would possibly playing for a small market team.
The difference between the MLE and LLE is too huge though. No way he takes a 2 year, $5 mil offer (LLE) over a 5 year, $30 mil offer just to learn from the a great PG or just to some day increase his value. That's $25 mil in guaranteed money in a professional where you can have a career ending injury at any moment.
You could be right. That is a great deal of money. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't believe Lin will be ready for a few years to go up against the better PGs in the league. There are very few veteran PGs I'd be willing to let Lin walk for. Nash is definitely one of them. I would rather this squad made a real run at the title sooner rather than later.