Knicks · Union Challenging CBA Bird Rights (Good For Knicks) (page 3)

WOW

The Suns almost finished with a better record than the Knicks starting Gortat, Hill, Dudley and Frye. He would be the best player for this situation not to mention make all our bigs more effective not to mention watching nash, iman, fields, melo stat/chandler on the break would be unstoppable.

You bring in Nash at all costs.

crzymdups wrote:this would be great great news.

and i agree with the thought to chase Nash if we can keep the MLE, Lin and Novak.

Plan B if Nash stays with Phoenix?

I'll take any PG who can shoot the 3:

Kidd: Maybe overlooked on this board. Isn't he perfect considering he would only be concerned with getting Melo, Stat, Chandler the ball and taking the wide open 3?

Hinrich (37.8 career)

Jameer Nelson (37.7%)

Interesting and realistic option: John Lucas, coach's son 39% 3 pt shooter, important minutes for the bulls and CHEAP

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nash and Amare?

Isn't there someone missing?

Good chance amare is not part of the longterm plan. Then he can join Dantoni wherever he winds up and continue to not play defense and be be held accountable and live happily ever after

We have a long term plan?

muhahaha

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

crzymdups wrote:this would be great great news.

and i agree with the thought to chase Nash if we can keep the MLE, Lin and Novak.

Plan B if Nash stays with Phoenix?

I'll take any PG who can shoot the 3:

Kidd: Maybe overlooked on this board. Isn't he perfect considering he would only be concerned with getting Melo, Stat, Chandler the ball and taking the wide open 3?

Hinrich (37.8 career)

Jameer Nelson (37.7%)

Interesting and realistic option: John Lucas, coach's son 39% 3 pt shooter, important minutes for the bulls and CHEAP

I'd take any of those guys except Hinrich. With guys like Fields, JR, Melo, Amare, Chandler, you need a pure passer who can get past his own guy - that's how he would make them all better.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

crzymdups wrote:this would be great great news.

and i agree with the thought to chase Nash if we can keep the MLE, Lin and Novak.

Plan B if Nash stays with Phoenix?

I'll take any PG who can shoot the 3:

Kidd: Maybe overlooked on this board. Isn't he perfect considering he would only be concerned with getting Melo, Stat, Chandler the ball and taking the wide open 3?

Hinrich (37.8 career)

Jameer Nelson (37.7%)

Interesting and realistic option: John Lucas, coach's son 39% 3 pt shooter, important minutes for the bulls and CHEAP

I really like Nash as a player, but given how freakishly and athletic of OKC and Miami, I am not sure what we are expecting out of Nash.
I wouldn't be against it, I probably would rather have KG or Dragic over them, while all 3 might not be available for the MLE.

Not sure what identity we would be building, because DEF will be weak with Lin and Nash.
I would prefer less Melo Iso's though, his miss shots, lead to a lot of Heat fast break baskets.

Dantoni: WTF!!! Really? Now you get Nash?? LOL

Woodson: I did not play Nash because I held him accountable for the 25 points Chalmers scored on him in the 4th, but Nash did great, with 6ass considering Melo went Iso 99times!

Seriously though, unless Amare and TC both come back with post moves, fighting for post position, and a hit consistent 17 foot shot.
And of course by year 10 Amare should have these moves "as an offensive player"
Also he must be an average rebounder, defender, and shot blocker
This time, around TC is the center and will play many minutes, vs Marion, Boris Diaw, or limited minutes to Lopez.
TC must at least be able to hit that 17 footer and be a threat.
Not sure if can still produce at that same level in PHOENIX even with Nash on Knicks, given these changes, our SG, SF both have to hit that 3point shot consistently too.

I don't think even Nash help this roster offensively enough.

Not all our players play smart or the "right way"
Nash prefers to have a stretch 4 to compliment the ball movement, while our starting lineup can't really shoot.

RonRon wrote:
I really like Nash as a player, but given how freakishly and athletic of OKC and Miami, I am not sure what we are expecting out of Nash.
I wouldn't be against it, I probably would rather have KG or Dragic over them, while all 3 might not be available for the MLE.

Not sure what identity we would be building, because DEF will be weak with Lin and Nash.
I would prefer less Melo Iso's though, his miss shots, lead to a lot of Heat fast break baskets.

Dantoni: WTF!!! Really? Now you get Nash?? LOL

Woodson: I did not play Nash because I held him accountable for the 25 points Chalmers scored on him in the 4th, but Nash did great, with 6ass considering Melo went Iso 99times!

Seriously though, unless Amare and TC both come back with post moves, fighting for post position, and a hit consistent 17 foot shot.
And of course by year 10 Amare should have these moves "as an offensive player"
Also he must be an average rebounder, defender, and shot blocker
This time, around TC is the center and will play many minutes, vs Marion, Boris Diaw, or limited minutes to Lopez.
TC must at least be able to hit that 17 footer and be a threat.
Not sure if can still produce at that same level in PHOENIX even with Nash on Knicks, given these changes, our SG, SF both have to hit that 3point shot consistently too.

I don't think even Nash help this roster offensively enough.

Not all our players play smart or the "right way"
Nash prefers to have a stretch 4 to compliment the ball movement, while our starting lineup can't really shoot.

Well, for one thing, it would shift the blame on Nash. Which Nash is soooo looking forward to. And all this drama would so rub on him. What a great way to end his career and start his retirement. Let's see, can't win a championship as well. Yea, that would be so worth it for him.

Think about it. He already spends summer in NY, in the first place. Nash could have moved to NY long time ago but didn't. I wonder why.

ChuckBuck wrote:With this news, I still would take Nash if he settled for the MLE. Nash still can produce(11 assists/game) and shoot the lights out(90% FT, 40% 3FT 50% FG). You can play Nash and Lin at the same time, and the experience Nash brings would be invaluable to Lin's development. Having both of them, you wouldn't have to play either heavy minutes, and you'd be able to resign Novak possibly JR Smith if he exercises his player option. God, I hope the arbitrator rules in the union's favor as it'd be huge boost for the Knicks free agency hopes.

+1

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nash and Amare?

Isn't there someone missing?

Good chance amare is not part of the longterm plan. Then he can join Dantoni wherever he winds up and continue to not play defense and be be held accountable and live happily ever after

We have a long term plan?

yellowboy90 wrote:If this goes thru I would try getting illyasova and a PG besides Lin.

what? how? Isn't Ilyasova a RFA? who would demand more than MLE?

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:If this goes thru I would try getting illyasova and a PG besides Lin.

what? how? Isn't Ilyasova a RFA? who would demand more than MLE?

yes, he is a nice stretch 3/4, would be a steal at MLE.
Bucks drafted him in 2005, age of 18, he didn't come over till 2008.
The same year as N8, David Lee, both in the 1st round, picked b4 Monta Ellis, after Brandon Bass in the 2nd round...
He signed a total of 3 year 7m Deal as a 2nd round pick, but that isn't out of a rookie deal.

So I believe they have his Bird Rights but he is a UFA.
If I had to choose between him or KG, it would be a very tough decision.
Not that either might be available at the MLE price...

ChuckBuck wrote:With this news, I still would take Nash if he settled for the MLE. Nash still can produce(11 assists/game) and shoot the lights out(90% FT, 40% 3FT 50% FG). You can play Nash and Lin at the same time, and the experience Nash brings would be invaluable to Lin's development. Having both of them, you wouldn't have to play either heavy minutes, and you'd be able to resign Novak possibly JR Smith if he exercises his player option. God, I hope the arbitrator rules in the union's favor as it'd be huge boost for the Knicks free agency hopes.

Listen I love Nash as a player, but playing Lin and Nash together vs elite teams, especially in playoff time is not going to work...
It probably would be fun to watch and work for most of the season though.
I think Barea was very under rated on the Dallas Mavericks roster last year, with his penetration and defense.
Kidd was used to guard SG and sometimes SF's with his size/strength.
Barea is VERY strong and stays in front of his defender, always pushes the ball, great penetration, and hit many clutch shots with Terry/Dirk

But a

Nash
Lin
Melo
-----Amare?
TC

is asking TC to basically 4 positions.

How will we match up vs

Heat
Thunder
Lakers
Spurs
Memphis

If there was a way to add Nash, we would have to be thru a trade with Melo or Amare?
Otherwise I just can't see it working for the playoffs, given our cap situation...

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nash and Amare?

Isn't there someone missing?

Good chance amare is not part of the longterm plan. Then he can join Dantoni wherever he winds up and continue to not play defense and be be held accountable and live happily ever after

We have a long term plan?

Yep. Trade away Randolph, Crawford, picks, young players, don't resign D. Lee so that when the opportunity comes the Knicks can sign Amare and Felton.

With this instead of signing fields, you could probably keep Novack if you want for the same money.

But J.R smith takes the money down to 9 million or 8.5 million if he get's a raise to a 3 million dollar deal.

If Lin get's 5 million that takes money down to 3.5 million

If Novack gets 2 million takes the money down to 1.5 million

That's 1.5 million to fill out the team and sign our draft pick. Their is no I want to add Nash or who ever, you can't give out any salaries that take you over the 74 million dollar hard cap.

No MLE, no LLE no Vet contracts. This isn't some loop hole for the knicks, unless they convince Lin to take less and pass on Novack.

Actually, this ruling might hurt the Knicks, teams are currently capped at how much they can offer Lin at the MLE. But if he get's full early bird rights, everything up to the Apron might be in play for other teams. Knicks could end up over paying Lin 8-9 million out right to match a deal.

I think then only Novack and Fields could be brought back after that with Smith.

Anji wrote:This ruling doesn't really change much about who the Knicks can bring in. We are still only 11.5-9.5 under the 74 million dollar hard cap.

With this instead of signing fields, you could probably keep Novack if you want for the same money.

But J.R smith takes the money down to 9 million or 8.5 million if he get's a raise to a 3 million dollar deal.

If Lin get's 5 million that takes money down to 3.5 million

If Novack gets 2 million takes the money down to 1.5 million

That's 1.5 million to fill out the team and sign our draft pick. Their is no I want to add Nash or who ever, you can't give out any salaries that take you over the 74 million dollar hard cap.

No MLE, no LLE no Vet contracts. This isn't some loop hole for the knicks, unless they convince Lin to take less and pass on Novack.

Actually, this ruling might hurt the Knicks, teams are currently capped at how much they can offer Lin at the MLE. But if he get's full early bird rights, everything up to the Apron might be in play for other teams. Knicks could end up over paying Lin 8-9 million out right to match a deal.

I think then only Novack and Fields could be brought back after that with Smith.

didn't the article say signing Novak and Lin wouldn't count toward the Knicks cap space...

Because the Knicks still only have 11.5 million of Soft cap space before they hit the hard cap of 74 million.

Once you hit 74 million in Free Agency in the new CBA................ that's it, all your additional increases have to be in house for that season.

Your trades have to be 1 to 1 dollar wise. No vet mins, No MLE, No LLE for the rest of that season. I think you get to offer your bird right players increases based of their previous years salaries, but they can still walk. I think you still get to add 10 days and uninsured type deals to fill out your roster. DLeaguers pretty much.

It's a Cold-cold winter if you hit the Apron......................something has to change.

I would be up for out right dumping Amare if we could.

Anji wrote:Novack and Lin won't count towards the Knicks Exception Money, which is a moot point.

Because the Knicks still only have 11.5 million of Soft cap space before they hit the hard cap of 74 million.

Once you hit 74 million in Free Agency in the new CBA................ that's it, all your additional increases have to be in house for that season.

Your trades have to be 1 to 1 dollar wise. No vet mins, No MLE, No LLE for the rest of that season. I think you get to offer your bird right players increases based of their previous years salaries, but they can still walk. I think you still get to add 10 days and uninsured type deals to fill out your roster. DLeaguers pretty much.

It's a Cold-cold winter if you hit the Apron......................something has to change.

I would be up for out right dumping Amare if we could.

thanks for ruining my KNICK dreams and realizing the nightmare we are actually in....

We don't even have one player

RonRon wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:With this news, I still would take Nash if he settled for the MLE. Nash still can produce(11 assists/game) and shoot the lights out(90% FT, 40% 3FT 50% FG). You can play Nash and Lin at the same time, and the experience Nash brings would be invaluable to Lin's development. Having both of them, you wouldn't have to play either heavy minutes, and you'd be able to resign Novak possibly JR Smith if he exercises his player option. God, I hope the arbitrator rules in the union's favor as it'd be huge boost for the Knicks free agency hopes.

Listen I love Nash as a player, but playing Lin and Nash together vs elite teams, especially in playoff time is not going to work...
It probably would be fun to watch and work for most of the season though.
I think Barea was very under rated on the Dallas Mavericks roster last year, with his penetration and defense.
Kidd was used to guard SG and sometimes SF's with his size/strength.
Barea is VERY strong and stays in front of his defender, always pushes the ball, great penetration, and hit many clutch shots with Terry/Dirk

But a

Nash
Lin
Melo
-----Amare?
TC

is asking TC to basically 4 positions.

How will we match up vs

Heat
Thunder
Lakers
Spurs
Memphis

If there was a way to add Nash, we would have to be thru a trade with Melo or Amare?
Otherwise I just can't see it working for the playoffs, given our cap situation...

You don't think Iman Shumpert will be healthy by the playoffs let alone this December?