Knicks · Union Challenging CBA Bird Rights (Good For Knicks) (page 4)

RonRon wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:With this news, I still would take Nash if he settled for the MLE. Nash still can produce(11 assists/game) and shoot the lights out(90% FT, 40% 3FT 50% FG). You can play Nash and Lin at the same time, and the experience Nash brings would be invaluable to Lin's development. Having both of them, you wouldn't have to play either heavy minutes, and you'd be able to resign Novak possibly JR Smith if he exercises his player option. God, I hope the arbitrator rules in the union's favor as it'd be huge boost for the Knicks free agency hopes.

Listen I love Nash as a player, but playing Lin and Nash together vs elite teams, especially in playoff time is not going to work...
It probably would be fun to watch and work for most of the season though.
I think Barea was very under rated on the Dallas Mavericks roster last year, with his penetration and defense.
Kidd was used to guard SG and sometimes SF's with his size/strength.
Barea is VERY strong and stays in front of his defender, always pushes the ball, great penetration, and hit many clutch shots with Terry/Dirk

But a

Nash
Lin
Melo
-----Amare?
TC

is asking TC to basically 4 positions.

How will we match up vs

Heat
Thunder
Lakers
Spurs
Memphis

If there was a way to add Nash, we would have to be thru a trade with Melo or Amare?
Otherwise I just can't see it working for the playoffs, given our cap situation...

You don't think Iman Shumpert will be healthy by the playoffs let alone this December?

This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

If JR is going to command more than the 2.5mil LLE then I rather go after Belinelli who is a better fit since hou cant play jr with melo, amare & lin cos there is not enough balls to go around. Belinelli is an extremely efficient player good shooter

some of you guys make it sound like Nash is just chomping at the bit to come here. why, because he lives in NY during the summer?? here's why i think he WON'T come to NY:

1. the obvious: he can get a buttload more money elsewhere—plus he just got a divorce so he's going to need the cash
2. Stat isn't the same player he was when they played together in phoenix
3. Woody isn't a PG focused coach like MDA
4. are the knicks really going to win a championship while he's still playing?
5. he's well aware of the PG curse that bestows the knicks.

i say bring him in if he brings the Phoenix medical staff with him

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???...Do you really consider Boston one of the better defensive teams anymore???..Last game Knicks dropped 118 points on them...

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

Dallas plays defense???...Lakers known for defense???

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

Dallas plays defense???...Lakers known for defense???

yes both, same with Indiana, Novak did OK against them too.

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

Dallas plays defense???...Lakers known for defense???

yes both, same with Indiana, Novak did OK against them too.

You saw the playoffs...When the games matter no one is leaving him open..He can't create his own shot...What is the point???

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

Dallas plays defense???...Lakers known for defense???

yes both, same with Indiana, Novak did OK against them too.

You saw the playoffs...When the games matter no one is leaving him open..He can't create his own shot...What is the point???

I think the premise of Novak not getting open was that defenses could just concentrate on Melo and not leaving him... there was no other options for the Knicks. i.e. they had no PG that could break down the D and thus create a situation whereby defenses would have to rotate and leave SOMEONE open.

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

martin wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is great news and should help the Knicks resigning Lin...It is amazing to me after seeing the Heat series that so many here has zero quams about handing Novak a long term deal when he couldn't get a shot off against the Heat or be willing to give Lin the full MLE..I'm shocked..

You just watch and see how much of a difference it will make to have a threat at the PG spot again. Novak really will be able to get open if you have a penetrating and dishing PG running the show. This team just couldn't draw any defenders away with Bibby and Baron. You need a PG that can be a legit threat but also has the ability to make the quick and accurate pass so that Novak can get off faster. That and perhaps using more screens so he can get that split second he needs. I just don't understand why Woody didn't use more screens for his best shooter!!!

Better defensive teams won't let him get that open jumper...Check the box scores from the regular season...Chicago didn't let Novak get off either even with Lin at PG...He can't get his own shot and beyond that he gives you nothing...What makes it worse is the Chalmers and Cole did a great job one on one defending Lin, not LeBron or Wade, Chalmers and Cole!!!...Why even bring back Novak if he can't help in games that matter...We have little room for margin of error when it comes to salary slots towards the hard cap...

I just checked a boxscore against Boston and both Lin and Novak played and Novak got his shot off.

What am i to conclude after just looking at that 1 game?

And the Chicago games???...Miami games???

And the Lakers game??? Dallas???

Dallas plays defense???...Lakers known for defense???

yes both, same with Indiana, Novak did OK against them too.

You saw the playoffs...When the games matter no one is leaving him open..He can't create his own shot...What is the point???

It does help to have a healthy point guard to break the defense down, so they can't face guard the outside shooters as much. Either way, if they do resign Novak, it won't be for much anyways, and when he does take his shots, he usually makes them. Knicks have bigger fish to fry in free agency, and hopefully in 2 weeks we'll hear some good news from the mediation.

When is the official ruling going to come down?

mrKnickShot wrote:When is the official ruling going to come down?

I think all they have said is that it would be decided before the start of the 1 July free agent period

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:When is the official ruling going to come down?

I think all they have said is that it would be decided before the start of the 1 July free agent period

I heard mid-june.

ChuckBuck wrote:

RonRon wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:With this news, I still would take Nash if he settled for the MLE. Nash still can produce(11 assists/game) and shoot the lights out(90% FT, 40% 3FT 50% FG). You can play Nash and Lin at the same time, and the experience Nash brings would be invaluable to Lin's development. Having both of them, you wouldn't have to play either heavy minutes, and you'd be able to resign Novak possibly JR Smith if he exercises his player option. God, I hope the arbitrator rules in the union's favor as it'd be huge boost for the Knicks free agency hopes.

Listen I love Nash as a player, but playing Lin and Nash together vs elite teams, especially in playoff time is not going to work...
It probably would be fun to watch and work for most of the season though.
I think Barea was very under rated on the Dallas Mavericks roster last year, with his penetration and defense.
Kidd was used to guard SG and sometimes SF's with his size/strength.
Barea is VERY strong and stays in front of his defender, always pushes the ball, great penetration, and hit many clutch shots with Terry/Dirk

But a

Nash
Lin
Melo
-----Amare?
TC

is asking TC to basically 4 positions.

How will we match up vs

Heat
Thunder
Lakers
Spurs
Memphis

If there was a way to add Nash, we would have to be thru a trade with Melo or Amare?
Otherwise I just can't see it working for the playoffs, given our cap situation...

You don't think Iman Shumpert will be healthy by the playoffs let alone this December?

i am pointing out why a back court of Nash and Lin, would not work vs great defensive teams, and would be a nightmare for us defensively vs many playoff contenders.
If we actually do have a way to preserve our MLE, while keeping Lin/Novak, there are a couple players I would prefer to use it on, given our holes needed.
This would be the last MLE we would have to use, so we have to use it wisely.
Either with a young player or a player that would magnify our strengths, be an impact player that is capable of starting for us or/and 6th man- with defense, and can spread the floor.

KG
Ilysasova
Dragic
Ryan Anderson

If possible, maybe split the MLE for 2 players.

Danny Green
Odom
Brandon Bass
Hickson
Ray Allen
Terry

LLE

Camby
Dahntay Jones
Brandon Wright
Mahimi
Ryan Hollins
Greg Stimensa
Omar Osik
AK47
Gary Neal
Kidd
Billups

PGs and SGs for veteran minimum

Gaines
Delonte West

Anthony Parker
Kapono
Delfino
Pietrus

F/C for vet min

Anyone left willing to come above...
Kenyon Martin
Reggie Evans
Hidahhi
Amundson

We will get Mini MLE's to use after this year, like what the Heat used for Battier.
Jorts can shoot and looks like he has been developing some post moves, but with his weight, and lack of quickness/speed, he is a backup center not a PF because he can't guard them.
Will he improve and lose more weight this summer? I don't know, but he looks more like a slightly poorer version of young Detroit, Mehmet Okur.
He doesn't have the ability to be a good shot blocker but I like what he brings. Just want to point this out for people that want him to play PF when he cannot on most nights, especially if playing with another slow center like Tyson Chandler.

I really want to solidify our defense, a shot blocker that is capable of playing with Tyson Chandler *Ak47* and another for our bench Camby/Osik or someone above.
We really need someone else that can sneak in to do the dirty work when teams are focused on boxing out Tyson Chandler.