Knicks · Was the Linsanity run REAL? (page 3)

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni runs a PG friendly offense. Think Raymond Felton.

At worse Lin is a decent backup. My biggest fear is he regresses back to his Golden State days.

Didnit he do just as good under woodson. I mean he pretty much won those philly and pacer games for us. I mean i've noticed some judt dont like him for whatver reason but most people who know the game will tell you that yes he needs to improve but has a great upside

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni runs a PG friendly offense. Think Raymond Felton.

At worse Lin is a decent backup. My biggest fear is he regresses back to his Golden State days.

Hey, good to see you back Mr. Positivity

I finally got the chance to read the linsanity streak article. The concern i have is that it was purely numbrrs based ...and it was only based on his 1st 4 games. The mda systm inflates stats due to the fast pace. Plus my original concern was that he wasmt as good after the miami game.

Again..im rooting for lin but givng him $5 mil based on 25 games makes me nervous!

callmened wrote:I finally got the chance to read the linsanity streak article. The concern i have is that it was purely numbrrs based ...and it was only based on his 1st 4 games. The mda systm inflates stats due to the fast pace. Plus my original concern was that he wasmt as good after the miami game.

Again..im rooting for lin but givng him $5 mil based on 25 games makes me nervous!

Honestky i think you are worrying too much. I mean ist not like giving 10-15 million a year to an aging guy. This is a young pg with a upside. Im more worried about amare/melo's contract since they arent getting any younger and havent shown that overall game that we were hoping for

I saw every game of it. Even the Net game.

I know what I saw, it was real.

It needs to be dialed back cuz we ate the kid, chewed him up and spit him out.

I saw him hit clutch shots. Game winner. Dude was cool and adaptive. He needs experience still.

I know what I saw. It was Linsane. He played with lintensity. It was a linteresting time for a linternatioal star to linflate the leagues exposure.

Id be happy with a decwnt backup like miller jus in case...dragic would be even better.

Stat and melo cant move so were stuck with them

I only caught a little of it because of the Time Warner debacle - but what I did see looked real. So did his fall back to earth. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

I believe if Melo an Stat can pick up their games and coexist along with some shooters on the perimeter, then Lin will shine again. I don't think he needs to be Linsanity but he can be a good PH which is something we desperately need.

I want to believe he is for real.

Also, I do not agree that a 3.1 from Harvard is better than a 4.0 from most other schools. Maybe if Harvard has a forced curve but I don't think they do. I went to BU which is across the river and I believe BU is a harder school than Harvard - even if the rankings are worlds apart.

How many kids could've come in and did what Lin did? There are only a few who actually WON GAMES for their team. Not just show a little, but actually take over games and make great plays and won games! To me you have to really have legit ability to do that in NY where many stars come to fail under the bright lights. People now understate just how rare his performance was. NO ONE had ever done what he did. He then went on to be a very solid player after the Linsanity was over. All of this from a kid that is just beginning his career and still learning the game.

I truly wish that MDA was still here, because I think he would be great for the kid to learn under. That said, Lin has real talent and I believe he learned enough that he can use that as a base to go forward and add what he learns from Woody on top of what he already knows. I think he's smart enough to be able to progress and become a good PG in this league. A PG you can win with. It doesn't matter if he never becomes an All Star as long as he does for the Knicks what he did last year, which is balance the attack and make big plays when the team really needs them.

I believe Doug Henning said it best. "When the illusion becomes reality then the reality becomes the illusion because the dreamer dreams the illusion of his own reality."

Nalod wrote:I saw every game of it. Even the Net game.

I know what I saw, it was real.

It needs to be dialed back cuz we ate the kid, chewed him up and spit him out.

I saw him hit clutch shots. Game winner. Dude was cool and adaptive. He needs experience still.

I know what I saw. It was Linsane. He played with lintensity. It was a linteresting time for a linternatioal star to linflate the leagues exposure.

Agreed.

Key to Linalysis - Don't box score analyze, though his stats are good. Watch how the team just flows, how he makes those around him better, watch his smart and balanced game, how the defense improves, etc. Seriously, the kid just has the "IT" factor.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Nalod wrote:I saw every game of it. Even the Net game.

I know what I saw, it was real.

It needs to be dialed back cuz we ate the kid, chewed him up and spit him out.

I saw him hit clutch shots. Game winner. Dude was cool and adaptive. He needs experience still.

I know what I saw. It was Linsane. He played with lintensity. It was a linteresting time for a linternatioal star to linflate the leagues exposure.

Agreed.

Key to Linalysis - Don't box score analyze, though his stats are good. Watch how the team just flows, how he makes those around him better, watch his smart and balanced game, how the defense improves, etc. Seriously, the kid just has the "IT" factor.

+1

This is just another case of something happened that was too good to be true therefore people couldn't believe it. It wasn't a mirage. Yes, it's been months. It happened and yet many people still think it was all a dream. You people of little faith.

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni runs a PG friendly offense. Think Raymond Felton.

At worse Lin is a decent backup. My biggest fear is he regresses back to his Golden State days.

Your biggest fear is that Lin continues his progression and becomes an All-Star.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Nalod wrote:I saw every game of it. Even the Net game.

I know what I saw, it was real.

It needs to be dialed back cuz we ate the kid, chewed him up and spit him out.

I saw him hit clutch shots. Game winner. Dude was cool and adaptive. He needs experience still.

I know what I saw. It was Linsane. He played with lintensity. It was a linteresting time for a linternatioal star to linflate the leagues exposure.

Agreed.

Key to Linalysis - Don't box score analyze, though his stats are good. Watch how the team just flows, how he makes those around him better, watch his smart and balanced game, how the defense improves, etc. Seriously, the kid just has the "IT" factor.

+1

Yup Yup. What I really enjoyed was how Lin controlled the game. He knew what plays to call and when to call it. One example is Novak. Off time-outs, when everybody was thinking Lin would take it to the hole or PnR with Amare or Tyson...he would call the dive play for Novak to get an easy 3 and get Novak going. Also, everyone and their mother knows that JJSkinny is a horrible offensive player. Lin made JJSkinny a very good finisher when he was playing with him. I don't remember JJSkinny missing a layup or getting his shot blocked when Lin ran the show. Lin just makes the game easier for everybody else. He puts you in the position to succeed. Magic Johnson commented on this and he was in awe of this kid.

ramtour420 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Perspective helps - 3.1 GPA in Harvard should be worn like a badge of honor. It's better than 4.0 from about 70% of other colleges.

I always find it amusing people dismiss Lin as a 9 game fluke then proceed to establishe Woody as a possible HOF coach based on 18-6 :)

Whatever Lin's potential, I think it will not be maximized under Woody who doesn't really employ any offensive system. This will be compounded by the media and extremely overrated NY fans who will turn on him when he has a bad patch. I think he will get marginalized into a bench player under Woody. Under a different coach he may have blossomed.

I thought it was kinda funny. Sry if you didn't find it as such.

As per Woodson marginalizing Lin into less of a player its difficult to argue against. Except maybe that Lin played pretty good with him as a head coach. Then again, it was only a few games.

Seriously, a 3.1 from Harvard is nothing to write home about unless he took the really hard classes while he was there. What was his major?

In general Harvard has a reputation for grade inflation - a lot of people get B+/A's there. That doesn't mean that Lin is not a smart guy, he did get in to Harvard and he graduated so obviously he has some serious intelligence. However, a 3.1 is not something he should wear as a badge of honor from Harvard. If he were looking for a job in the real world he would probably leave it off his resume.

OasisBU wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Perspective helps - 3.1 GPA in Harvard should be worn like a badge of honor. It's better than 4.0 from about 70% of other colleges.

I always find it amusing people dismiss Lin as a 9 game fluke then proceed to establishe Woody as a possible HOF coach based on 18-6 :)

Whatever Lin's potential, I think it will not be maximized under Woody who doesn't really employ any offensive system. This will be compounded by the media and extremely overrated NY fans who will turn on him when he has a bad patch. I think he will get marginalized into a bench player under Woody. Under a different coach he may have blossomed.

I thought it was kinda funny. Sry if you didn't find it as such.

As per Woodson marginalizing Lin into less of a player its difficult to argue against. Except maybe that Lin played pretty good with him as a head coach. Then again, it was only a few games.

Seriously, a 3.1 from Harvard is nothing to write home about unless he took the really hard classes while he was there. What was his major?

In general Harvard has a reputation for grade inflation - a lot of people get B+/A's there. That doesn't mean that Lin is not a smart guy, he did get in to Harvard and he graduated so obviously he has some serious intelligence. However, a 3.1 is not something he should wear as a badge of honor from Harvard. If he were looking for a job in the real world he would probably leave it off his resume.

I think he was an economics major. Not sure about grade inflation. When you have the brightest students getting in, in a very competitive system, I would imagine the grades are going to be better than average. Chicken, egg, egg, chicken? You have Harvard on your resume and it pretty much doesn't matter what grade you got! LOL Also, being a basketball player means you often are practicing when others are studying. Half empty, half full? Reading your post, it seems like the message is clear.

Really, what is the point of your post? Lin is turning into a great pg and has incredible court awareness and great BBIQ.

EMS

earthmansurfer wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Perspective helps - 3.1 GPA in Harvard should be worn like a badge of honor. It's better than 4.0 from about 70% of other colleges.

I always find it amusing people dismiss Lin as a 9 game fluke then proceed to establishe Woody as a possible HOF coach based on 18-6 :)

Whatever Lin's potential, I think it will not be maximized under Woody who doesn't really employ any offensive system. This will be compounded by the media and extremely overrated NY fans who will turn on him when he has a bad patch. I think he will get marginalized into a bench player under Woody. Under a different coach he may have blossomed.

I thought it was kinda funny. Sry if you didn't find it as such.

As per Woodson marginalizing Lin into less of a player its difficult to argue against. Except maybe that Lin played pretty good with him as a head coach. Then again, it was only a few games.

Seriously, a 3.1 from Harvard is nothing to write home about unless he took the really hard classes while he was there. What was his major?

In general Harvard has a reputation for grade inflation - a lot of people get B+/A's there. That doesn't mean that Lin is not a smart guy, he did get in to Harvard and he graduated so obviously he has some serious intelligence. However, a 3.1 is not something he should wear as a badge of honor from Harvard. If he were looking for a job in the real world he would probably leave it off his resume.

I think he was an economics major. Not sure about grade inflation. When you have the brightest students getting in, in a very competitive system, I would imagine the grades are going to be better than average. Chicken, egg, egg, chicken? You have Harvard on your resume and it pretty much doesn't matter what grade you got! LOL Also, being a basketball player means you often are practicing when others are studying. Half empty, half full? Reading your post, it seems like the message is clear.

Really, what is the point of your post? Lin is turning into a great pg and has incredible court awareness and great BBIQ.

EMS

The point of my post is that a 3.1 from Harvard is nothing to write home about in response to the statement that a 3.1 from Harvard should be worn as a badge of honor. This really isn't a debate over Lin's basketball ability but it is a valid response to the statement about Harvard and grades. You bring up an interesting point about the school accepting more gifted students so by nature the grades should be better - I guess that's valid but I would think that would make it much harder for employers and other schools to select the truly exceptional students from a Harvard class if everyone gets good grades.

Wikpedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_infla...:
Harvard University

Grade inflation is often equated with lax academic standards. For example, the following quote about lax standards from a Harvard University report in 1894 has been used to claim that grade inflation has been a longstanding issue: "Grades A and B are sometimes given too readily ... insincere students gain passable grades by sham work."[11] Issues of standards in American education have been longstanding. However, rising grades did not become a major issue in American education until the 1960s. For example, in 1890 Harvard's average GPA was 2.27. In 1950, its average GPA was 2.55. By 2004, its GPA, as a result of dramatic rises in the 1960s and gradual rises since, had risen to 3.48.

NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...:

Student's grades at Harvard University have soared in the last 10 years. According to a report issued Tuesday by the dean of undergraduate education, nearly half of the grades issued last year were A's or A-minuses. In 1985, just a third of the grades were A or A-minus. Linda Wertheimer talks with Susan Pedersen, Dean of Undergraduate Education and a Professor of History at Harvard University, about grade inflation.

Boston.com http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/th...:

But while many Ivy League schools -- most notably Princeton, a consistent competitor for the nation's top college -- have a reputation for severe grade deflation, Harvard contends with the opposite trend. The student body freely recognizes the reputation, and The Crimson, Harvard's student newspaper, has even spoken out against the trend.

“I can't really say much about Harvard except that even our professors often have made comments about how it's much easier to get better grades at Harvard," said Sheu. "In my bio class after a first really difficult exam, our professor wrote on the board 'B^MIT=A^H.' She said that H could stand for high school or 'some other institution.'"

The Economist suggests that Harvard's alleged grade inflation is the product of two environmental factors: First, and seemingly obviously, students accepted to such internationally renowned Ivy League universities have an undeniable drive and academic talent for success. Second, the professors hired to teach these brilliant minds also frequently engage in their own research, in comparison to which the grading process seems trivial. So why not give out a few more As?

Guess someone has a slight grudge against Harvard.
Whatever you were trying to prove, it worked.

loweyecue wrote:Guess someone has a slight grudge against Harvard.
Whatever you were trying to prove, it worked.

Yeah I am not a fan

I guess maybe going to school across the river and getting slapped with a forced curve so we could feel like we were going through a more rigorous institution has put a chip on my shoulder.

I love Lin though and wish him the best - all the cool kids dont have good GPA's so I think its actually a positive.

Well, four of the Knicks' five games during their winning streak have been blowouts. With the one game that was actually close, Wednesday versus the Philadelphia 76ers, featuring a heroic fourth-quarter performance from Lin.

This means Lin's numbers are down primarily because New York has had big leads and used their bench during garbage time.

There's a better way of showing a player's performance that gets rid of any bias related to fewer minutes played, i.e. Jeremy Lin's the last few games. It's stats per 40 minutes.

In that department, Lin's numbers are virtually unchanged:

Points/40 under D'Antoni: 22.4 Points/40 under Woodson: 20.1

Assists/40 under D'Antoni: 9.3 Assists/40 under Woodson: 8.2

What does all of this mean?

Mike Woodson's public statement about his stars leading the team during crunch time was probably just a way to fire them back up after a terrible stretch of games.

And despite those comments, Jeremy Lin is still the same old Jeremy Lin who took February by storm.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-22/sports/31223828_1_jeremy-lin-amar-e-stoudemire-knicks-schedule#ixzz1x9iLgxlh

NYKBocker wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:D'Antoni runs a PG friendly offense. Think Raymond Felton.

At worse Lin is a decent backup. My biggest fear is he regresses back to his Golden State days.

Your biggest fear is that Lin continues his progression and becomes an All-Star.

Yup that guy he hates lin but at the same time he is not a knick fan so it doesnt really matter