Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
Lebron may have a new NBA record, most MVP's won without a single championship. Gotta be right?
Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Bosh is nowhere near a max player and the team has no depth. Are you counting them out because they're down 3-2?
ChuckBuck wrote:Lebron may have a new NBA record, most MVP's won without a single championship. Gotta be right?
Based on a quick glance at wikipedia, I think Wilt Chamberlain won 3 MVP's before winning a title.
Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Looking at how Cleveland crashed and burned the year after should give you a good idea how valuable Lebron is. Even though he has a couple of holes in his game he's far and away the best player in the league and no one else is even close. If they don't win it will be because Lebron and Wade still aren't sure how to play together, especially in the half-court, and because their 4-9 players are awful.
Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Bosh is nowhere near a max player and the team has no depth. Are you counting them out because they're down 3-2?
Are you contrary just for the fun of it?
VCoug wrote:Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Looking at how Cleveland crashed and burned the year after should give you a good idea how valuable Lebron is. Even though he has a couple of holes in his game he's far and away the best player in the league and no one else is even close. If they don't win it will be because Lebron and Wade still aren't sure how to play together, especially in the half-court, and because their 4-9 players are awful.
If you replace Lebron with any other player in the league, I doubt this Miami team would play better than it has over the past two seasons.
Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Bosh is nowhere near a max player and the team has no depth. Are you counting them out because they're down 3-2?
Are you contrary just for the fun of it?
You're actually the one being "contrary" by saying the experts voting on the MVP award got it wrong.
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Panos wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Panos wrote:Lebron James -- the only player ever to win THREE NBA MVPs with no Championship.
Shouldn't that factor into future MVP considerations?
Based on the written definition of MVP, no.
In addition to not ever winning a title, this year his team finished FOURTH in the league while playing with 2 other max players.
How valuable can he be? MVP is not supposed to be an individual statistics award.
Looking at how Cleveland crashed and burned the year after should give you a good idea how valuable Lebron is. Even though he has a couple of holes in his game he's far and away the best player in the league and no one else is even close. If they don't win it will be because Lebron and Wade still aren't sure how to play together, especially in the half-court, and because their 4-9 players are awful.
If you replace Lebron with any other player in the league, I doubt this Miami team would play better than it has over the past two seasons.
Not sure that "replacement" is the best test.
I'd say Tim Duncan has been way more valuable to his team in leading them to tie for the best record in the league, without having another top 5-10 player next to him. Tony Parker is good, but not even top 20.
You can't "replace" Lebron with Duncan, because that makes no sense personnel wise. But I'd say Duncan's team did more with less.
Again, its not "Best Player in the League Award", its "Most Valuable Player"
With less? They have three hall-of-famers and about 6 more excellent role players. Their 10th man is probably better than Miami's 4th man.
Bonn1997 wrote:With less? They have three hall-of-famers and about 6 more excellent role players. Their 10th man is probably better than Miami's 4th man.
Three hall-of-famers... Please...
Their role players are nothing special off that team. And the team is lead by Duncan (and Pop).
+1, Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Bonn1997 wrote:With less? They have three hall-of-famers and about 6 more excellent role players. Their 10th man is probably better than Miami's 4th man.
This. At this point in his career, Tim Duncan is only the third best player on that team while Parker was an MVP candidate. Also, the players on the Spurs fit much better than on the Heat.
I think Spolstra took the bullet for keeping Bosh out.
I think they had a minute limit on him or he was not prime. I don't care what he said that he was ready, if he was good to go for a few minutes he would have been there.
Im not sure what Miami's problem is and if its bad coaching or bad execution. They look tired and are not getting back no defense. Thats execution. Wade looks like crap. Lebron looks fine but he is not superman. Our memories of Jordan are blown out of proportion. He had bad games and he had a much better team around him.
Blame has to go to the miami bench and role players. They are really thin. Mike Miller is paid a good amount of money and he has been crap. They need depth. I'd trade Wade and try to get some pieces for Lebron and bosh.
For all we know Miami might have been over achieving for while and spolstra has been doing a great job. Boston should have taken the second game and we might not be talking today about a game 6.
Eddy Curry does this to teams. Takes them down!
VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:With less? They have three hall-of-famers and about 6 more excellent role players. Their 10th man is probably better than Miami's 4th man.
This. At this point in his career, Tim Duncan is only the third best player on that team while Parker was an MVP candidate. Also, the players on the Spurs fit much better than on the Heat.
This is the difference between building through the draft and free agency. Both can work if you get the right players but SA got their big 3 each at around age 20 and had many years to build a supporting cast. Miami got their 3 past the midway point of their prime years. OKC is in the best long-term shape of any team in the league.
to be fair I think Lebron is the MVP of the league. I cant think of any player you could add to any team that would add more wins than Lebron. Stick him on the Bobcats and they win 50 games. The Cle teams he took deep into the playoffs every year were dreadful. They just were not very talented. He truly makes others around him better, he's the most versatile player in the league and he's a top 3 defender in the NBA.
He's almost like Shaq in his prime. Shaq needed a finisher to win titles, but you stick him on any team.. even when the best players are Van Ex and Cedric Ceballos and your winning 50 games.
Lebron is not a great finisher and I lost all respect for him with his flopping vagina, but the dude's wins speak for themselves. He might not win titles but he goes deep into the playoffs every year. Ewing like. That means something.
Oh... and phuck Lebron
everyone knows lebron is the most talented but he still doesnt have that killer instinct in these type of games when its for a title
Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:With less? They have three hall-of-famers and about 6 more excellent role players. Their 10th man is probably better than Miami's 4th man.
This. At this point in his career, Tim Duncan is only the third best player on that team while Parker was an MVP candidate. Also, the players on the Spurs fit much better than on the Heat.
This is the difference between building through the draft and free agency. Both can work if you get the right players but SA got their big 3 each at around age 20 and had many years to build a supporting cast. Miami got their 3 past the midway point of their prime years. OKC is in the best long-term shape of any team in the league.
Good post Bonn. In a perfect world yea you would prefer to follow the SA/OKC model but its not always a necessity. Look at the Lakers, Mavs, celtics & pistons who acquired billups, big ben, gasol, odom, tyson, kidd, pierce, garnett, allen all in there prime or in some cases on the wrong side of their prime
