My dream scenario is the Knicks win in court re-sign Lin and Novak ,JR picks up his option, sign Steve Nash to the mid level and Ray Allen for veteran minimum and jettison Landry Fields i'm done with that dude.
Moonangie@ 6/12/2012 11:25 AM
Mray20 wrote:My dream scenario is the Knicks win in court re-sign Lin and Novak ,JR picks up his option, sign Steve Nash to the mid level and Ray Allen for veteran minimum and jettison Landry Fields i'm done with that dude.
+1 to that. Pretty much a best case scenario there.
knicks1248@ 6/12/2012 1:30 PM
this whole bird rights thing is almost contradictive..A team can go over the salary cap to keep the player, yet if you waive him and team claims him with in 7 days, takes responsibilty of his remainding salary, then can lose him to FA. I mean, who the hell would agree to that.
Is that like buying a used car from a friend that still has the dealerships bumber to bumber warranty and not being able to use it once you buy it..GTFO
MSG3@ 6/12/2012 2:06 PM
knicks1248 wrote:this whole bird rights thing is almost contradictive..A team can go over the salary cap to keep the player, yet if you waive him and team claims him with in 7 days, takes responsibilty of his remainding salary, then can lose him to FA. I mean, who the hell would agree to that.
Is that like buying a used car from a friend that still has the dealerships bumber to bumber warranty and not being able to use it once you buy it..GTFO
And that is exactly why they're having the hearing. What you said is absolutely right, and we have to hope that the arbitrator realizes that this is something that slipped through the cracks that contradicts the agreements in the CBA.
But it's in black and white on paper which is why no one is giving this much of a chance to turn out pro Union/Knicks.
callmened@ 6/12/2012 8:09 PM
loweyecue wrote:
Nalod wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
callmened wrote:Zwerling is pretty confident that well resign novak lin and jr...the only question is how much lin asks for. That will determine how much money there is to sign free agents.
Again i love lin but is he worth >$5 mill based on 25 games???
From what I saw HELL YES!!! Lin answered a lot of questions. Could he run a team? could he shoot consistently well? Could he defend (I know he wasn't always solid, but he had some eye opening defensive performances too. His D on Brandon Jennings was amazing late in one game we played the Bucks)? Is he a clutch performer? Could he handle the pressure of NY? I think he grew a lot and has a TON of upside in terms of him learning the game and limiting mistakes. When healthy teams had to focus their entire defense on him to try and keep him from being effective. Mostly it didn't work!!!
I for one will not be upset AT ALL if they sign Lin to a long term deal worth more than $5 mil the first year and he's a complete bust. It's a chance any GM should make given the circumstances and the possibilities.
Again, any thought that we should not sign him is based on some sort of expectation of him being a savior.
And yes, if he is a bust it was a risk worth taking. We have done far worse than sign a good kid who works his ass off and is a genuine type good teammate.
I doubt we get a "Linsane" run but the kid if a solid 14-7 with 2 turn overs per game would go a long way to helping this team. We know he does not buckle under pressure.
Yup. It seems if you ask people making $20M a year to play both sides of the ball and win some games for us you are asking for way too much, but if a guy with total of 25 games experience in the NBA cant put 25-12 per game, he isn't even worth 5M. Talk about double standards!
Melo is my favorite player but no he doesnt deserve up to $19 mil...but please lets not forget STAT whos making just as much and is not playing as well as Melo. the reality is that were stuck with these overpaid contracts. With Lin theres some flexibility..and itll determine how much we can spend in off season
GodSaveTheKnicks@ 6/13/2012 3:19 PM
Just read that if we lose this case we can only sign Lin and Novak is gone. All we can do if we lose is use the vet min to sign..i dunno..derek fisher? patty mills? lamar odom if he really really loves NY and everything turns out right. dunno why Ray would take the vet min to play here vs boston or OKC or LA
Bonn1997@ 6/13/2012 3:38 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Just read that if we lose this case we can only sign Lin and Novak is gone. All we can do if we lose is use the vet min to sign..i dunno..derek fisher? patty mills? lamar odom if he really really loves NY and everything turns out right. dunno why Ray would take the vet min to play here vs boston or OKC or LA
Briggs had it right when he said that we need several miracle signings like last year.
callmened@ 6/13/2012 4:22 PM
I thought the mle could b used to keep novak for $2 mil and we could use the vet min for odom???
smackeddog@ 6/13/2012 4:40 PM
Novak tweeted his thanks to the union lawyers and said a decision is due in 2 weeks. I always find it amusing how judges and arbitrators take so long to make basic decisions- seriously what is so complicated about this one that takes 2 weeks of thinking?! Guess he must be getting paid by the hour!
Mray20@ 6/13/2012 5:02 PM
I think the decision will come down before that he was probably overestimating the time because free agency starts in a little over 2 weeks so he prob meant before that
nyshakespeare@ 6/13/2012 5:34 PM
Howard Beck @HowardBeckNYT
The Jeremy Lin/Steve Novak/Bird rights arbitration hearing was held today in NYC. Lasted 3 1/2 hrs. Decision due by July 1.
Mray20@ 6/13/2012 5:43 PM
I hope Stern was in a bad mood cause he's gonna lose the case lol, he really was unprofessional with Rome
subzero0@ 6/13/2012 6:04 PM
Mray20 wrote:I hope Stern was in a bad mood cause he's gonna lose the case lol, he really was unprofessional with Rome
w.o.w.
matt@ 6/13/2012 6:51 PM
Stern is such a doucher
GodSaveTheKnicks@ 6/14/2012 2:51 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Just read that if we lose this case we can only sign Lin and Novak is gone. All we can do if we lose is use the vet min to sign..i dunno..derek fisher? patty mills? lamar odom if he really really loves NY and everything turns out right. dunno why Ray would take the vet min to play here vs boston or OKC or LA
Briggs had it right when he said that we need several miracle signings like last year.
yup. or just one miracle with the players union winning the bird rights case. i'll forgo a christmas present and take that.
GodSaveTheKnicks@ 6/14/2012 2:57 PM
subzero0 wrote:
Mray20 wrote:I hope Stern was in a bad mood cause he's gonna lose the case lol, he really was unprofessional with Rome
w.o.w.
are ye not entertained?!
EnySpree@ 6/14/2012 3:55 PM
MSG3 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:this whole bird rights thing is almost contradictive..A team can go over the salary cap to keep the player, yet if you waive him and team claims him with in 7 days, takes responsibilty of his remainding salary, then can lose him to FA. I mean, who the hell would agree to that.
Is that like buying a used car from a friend that still has the dealerships bumber to bumber warranty and not being able to use it once you buy it..GTFO
And that is exactly why they're having the hearing. What you said is absolutely right, and we have to hope that the arbitrator realizes that this is something that slipped through the cracks that contradicts the agreements in the CBA.
But it's in black and white on paper which is why no one is giving this much of a chance to turn out pro Union/Knicks.
The nba's stance is the black and white....but the players union's stance is laid out perfectly by knicks1248....hope someone pleaded the case the exact same way to the arbitrator.
knickscity@ 6/14/2012 6:12 PM
EnySpree wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:this whole bird rights thing is almost contradictive..A team can go over the salary cap to keep the player, yet if you waive him and team claims him with in 7 days, takes responsibilty of his remainding salary, then can lose him to FA. I mean, who the hell would agree to that.
Is that like buying a used car from a friend that still has the dealerships bumber to bumber warranty and not being able to use it once you buy it..GTFO
And that is exactly why they're having the hearing. What you said is absolutely right, and we have to hope that the arbitrator realizes that this is something that slipped through the cracks that contradicts the agreements in the CBA.
But it's in black and white on paper which is why no one is giving this much of a chance to turn out pro Union/Knicks.
The nba's stance is the black and white....but the players union's stance is laid out perfectly by knicks1248....hope someone pleaded the case the exact same way to the arbitrator.
A simple fix would be to just trade for the player then.
I'm sure these GM's talk, and supposedly the Knicks had Lin on their radar especially for a minute.
knicks1248@ 6/14/2012 8:13 PM
Stern and his mafia tatics kill me..3 hrs to discuss what..I will be so glad when he walks away.
subzero0@ 6/15/2012 10:07 AM
I dont understand why the league would not want have players keep their bird rights in this fasion. What does the league have to gain from keeping the bird rights from players who are cut and picked up?
knickscity@ 6/15/2012 10:11 AM
subzero0 wrote:I dont understand why the league would not want have players keep their bird rights in this fasion. What does the league have to gain from keeping the bird rights from players who are cut and picked up?
Smaller payrolls. Players get bigger raises with bird rights, which means owners spend more.
