Lin gets to practice against his idol and Kidd stays near his home in the NY metro area.
Teams won't have to guard (Kidd) but will, and he'll just pinpoint with passes while taking advantage of the fact that teams will continue to overreact and treat him as a major threat from behind the 3-point arc. It's a simple, staid offense that will be run by a man with a brain that demands complexity and improvisation and quick movement, though his weary legs guarantee that this brain has to play down to his team's offense. - Kelly Dwyer
So, where does this leave the Knicks? Well, it leaves them maintaining. Their roster right now (assuming all this goes through the way it has been reported; there's supposedly a "moratorium" on deals this week, so nothing will be official until July 11): - Wil Leitch
Lin can play his frenetic style for 30 minutes and Kidd brings solid relief with 18 minutes of coaching and clutch plays. This combination works better than a Nash deal because Kidd rebounds and bonded with Chandler in Dallas. Jason Kidd makes life easier for our number one son - Carmelo Anthony is relieved of extended ball handling responsibility.
Guards Jason Kidd Jeremy Lin Iman Shumpert Toney Douglas (if Houston is desperate for guards...)
Forwards Carmelo Anthony Amar'e Stoudemire James White (Kostas Papanikolaou) Steve Novak
Centers Tyson Chandler Josh Harrellson Jerome Jordan/ Summer League discovery Dan Gadzuric
martin@ 7/6/2012 12:00 PM
and dont forget JRSMith
OasisBU@ 7/6/2012 12:22 PM
martin wrote:and dont forget JRSMith
Have we cut a deal with him yet or still pending?
martin@ 7/6/2012 12:25 PM
OasisBU wrote:
martin wrote:and dont forget JRSMith
Have we cut a deal with him yet or still pending?
for the most part, we can only really offer him $2.8M. The one advantage we have is that if he stays with Knicks he will get his Bird Rights.
Paladin55@ 7/6/2012 12:31 PM
Perfect situation for Lin to develop, and you don't have a PG controversy/competition because Kidd's minutes on the court will be limited, I would assume.
Lin is a smart kid, and he now has one of the best and most savvy PGs of this generation to learn from. Kidd may not be able to do all the things on the court that he once could do, but what he can impart to Lin as a mentor is beyond statistical measurement.
misterearl@ 7/6/2012 1:28 PM
Jason Kidd is a better fit for the Knicks than Steve Nash
Kidd came within one point of a triple-double earlier this month, when he had 10 rebounds and 12 assists in a win over the Golden State Warriors. His 107 career triple-doubles rank behind only Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson in NBA history and are more than the combined total of the next four active triple-double leaders (LeBron James, Grant Hill, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett).
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Kidd's 17 consecutive seasons with a triple-double is by far the longest such streak in NBA history. Next on that list: Johnson (12), Robertson (11), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (10) and Larry Bird (9).
Nash can make fancy passes, but he does not rebound the ball or defend like Kidd.
You want Jeremy Lin to develop? You get him the best professor.
Jason Kidd is durable and rugged... and will look better inorange and blue than Nash.
misterearl@ 7/6/2012 1:38 PM
Sure, Steve Nash plays soccer in Central Park during the summer and has more favorable press but...
Note: As of April 2011 Jason Kidd had 107 triple doubles.
Steve Nash had three.
You do the math
BRIGGS@ 7/6/2012 1:57 PM
misterearl wrote:It is a match made in Bay Area heaven
Lin gets to practice against his idol and Kidd stays near his home in the NY metro area.
Teams won't have to guard (Kidd) but will, and he'll just pinpoint with passes while taking advantage of the fact that teams will continue to overreact and treat him as a major threat from behind the 3-point arc. It's a simple, staid offense that will be run by a man with a brain that demands complexity and improvisation and quick movement, though his weary legs guarantee that this brain has to play down to his team's offense. - Kelly Dwyer
So, where does this leave the Knicks? Well, it leaves them maintaining. Their roster right now (assuming all this goes through the way it has been reported; there's supposedly a "moratorium" on deals this week, so nothing will be official until July 11): - Wil Leitch
Lin can play his frenetic style for 30 minutes and Kidd brings solid relief with 18 minutes of coaching and clutch plays. This combination works better than a Nash deal because Kidd rebounds and bonded with Chandler in Dallas. Jason Kidd makes life easier for our number one son - Carmelo Anthony is relieved of extended ball handling responsibility.
Guards Jason Kidd Jeremy Lin Iman Shumpert Toney Douglas (if Houston is desperate for guards...)
Forwards Carmelo Anthony Amar'e Stoudemire James White (Kostas Papanikolaou) Steve Novak
Centers Tyson Chandler Josh Harrellson Jerome Jordan/ Summer League discovery Dan Gadzuric
we dont have quality 4-5 back ups and rim protection when Chandler goes to the bench is very poor. with shumpert out--were thin at G.
crzymdups@ 7/6/2012 1:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
misterearl wrote:It is a match made in Bay Area heaven
Lin gets to practice against his idol and Kidd stays near his home in the NY metro area.
Teams won't have to guard (Kidd) but will, and he'll just pinpoint with passes while taking advantage of the fact that teams will continue to overreact and treat him as a major threat from behind the 3-point arc. It's a simple, staid offense that will be run by a man with a brain that demands complexity and improvisation and quick movement, though his weary legs guarantee that this brain has to play down to his team's offense. - Kelly Dwyer
So, where does this leave the Knicks? Well, it leaves them maintaining. Their roster right now (assuming all this goes through the way it has been reported; there's supposedly a "moratorium" on deals this week, so nothing will be official until July 11): - Wil Leitch
Lin can play his frenetic style for 30 minutes and Kidd brings solid relief with 18 minutes of coaching and clutch plays. This combination works better than a Nash deal because Kidd rebounds and bonded with Chandler in Dallas. Jason Kidd makes life easier for our number one son - Carmelo Anthony is relieved of extended ball handling responsibility.
Guards Jason Kidd Jeremy Lin Iman Shumpert Toney Douglas (if Houston is desperate for guards...)
Forwards Carmelo Anthony Amar'e Stoudemire James White (Kostas Papanikolaou) Steve Novak
Centers Tyson Chandler Josh Harrellson Jerome Jordan/ Summer League discovery Dan Gadzuric
we dont have quality 4-5 back ups and rim protection when Chandler goes to the bench is very poor. with shumpert out--were thin at G.
they're bringing back JR Smith and maybe adding Foye.
might also add Camby if they can make the Kidd deal a S&T.
i'd bring back jeffries at the 4/5 too.
KNICKSBIGCATS@ 7/6/2012 3:04 PM
Find a way to bring back Timofey Mosgov.
DJMUSIC@ 7/6/2012 3:06 PM
misterearl wrote:It is a match made in Bay Area heaven
Lin gets to practice against his idol and Kidd stays near his home in the NY metro area.
Teams won't have to guard (Kidd) but will, and he'll just pinpoint with passes while taking advantage of the fact that teams will continue to overreact and treat him as a major threat from behind the 3-point arc. It's a simple, staid offense that will be run by a man with a brain that demands complexity and improvisation and quick movement, though his weary legs guarantee that this brain has to play down to his team's offense. - Kelly Dwyer
So, where does this leave the Knicks? Well, it leaves them maintaining. Their roster right now (assuming all this goes through the way it has been reported; there's supposedly a "moratorium" on deals this week, so nothing will be official until July 11): - Wil Leitch
Lin can play his frenetic style for 30 minutes and Kidd brings solid relief with 18 minutes of coaching and clutch plays. This combination works better than a Nash deal because Kidd rebounds and bonded with Chandler in Dallas. Jason Kidd makes life easier for our number one son - Carmelo Anthony is relieved of extended ball handling responsibility.
Guards Jason Kidd Jeremy Lin Iman Shumpert Toney Douglas (if Houston is desperate for guards...)
Forwards Carmelo Anthony Amar'e Stoudemire James White (Kostas Papanikolaou) Steve Novak
Centers Tyson Chandler Josh Harrellson Jerome Jordan/ Summer League discovery Dan Gadzuric
Well i like yo' list but take Dan Gadzuric AND u already cited Toney Douglass off this team we're gonna improve that way !
Dan is horrible and was lucky to finish on squad at end to the playoffs he offerred squat and seem surprised he's here. Douglass a nice kid need a fresh start. He dont need to be here
misterearl@ 7/6/2012 3:41 PM
If The Answer Man Ruled The World (without being too greedy about it)
DJMUSIC wrote:Well i like yo' list but take Dan Gadzuric AND u already cited Toney Douglass off this team we're gonna improve that way !
DJ - If the salaries of Toney Douglas and Dan Gadzuric can be leveraged in a sign-and-trade scenario, Glen Grunwald has a head start on NBA Executive of The Year.
Guards Jason Obewon Kidd Luke Skywalker Lin Iman Shumpert (back by Valentines Day, hopefully) JR Smith - for defense Chris Smith - or a Summer League discovery du jour Pablo Prigioni, Argentina, longshot, but hey, crazier things have happened
Forwards Carmelo Anthony Amar'e Stoudemire James White Steve Novak (Kostas Papanikolaou)
Centers Tyson Chandler Josh Harrellson Timofey Mozgov (2013 with Big Papanik)/ Marcus Camby, either is cool with The Answer Man Jerome Jordan - "can you tell me which way is the weight room?"
Syniko@ 7/6/2012 4:09 PM
misterearl wrote:Jason Kidd is a better fit for the Knicks than Steve Nash
Kidd came within one point of a triple-double earlier this month, when he had 10 rebounds and 12 assists in a win over the Golden State Warriors. His 107 career triple-doubles rank behind only Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson in NBA history and are more than the combined total of the next four active triple-double leaders (LeBron James, Grant Hill, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett).
According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Kidd's 17 consecutive seasons with a triple-double is by far the longest such streak in NBA history. Next on that list: Johnson (12), Robertson (11), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (10) and Larry Bird (9).
Nash can make fancy passes, but he does not rebound the ball or defend like Kidd.
You want Jeremy Lin to develop? You get him the best professor.
Jason Kidd is durable and rugged... and will look better inorange and blue than Nash.
Somebody sounds a little bitter toward Nash not coming to Knicks. You wouldn't be singing the same tune if Nash had signed up with New York.
Nash-Lin is a match made in heaven. Lin is cut from the same cloth as Nash, although he's not there on Nash level but he's clearly one of his pupil if I ever saw one. And Nash likes Lin. He had some nice things to say about Lin.
misterearl@ 7/6/2012 4:53 PM
Gimme The Triple Double Any Day of The Week
Syniko wrote:Somebody sounds a little bitter toward Nash not coming to Knicks. You wouldn't be singing the same tune if Nash had signed up with New York.
Syniko - bitter toward Nash not coming to NYC? Never. Besides, The Answer Man never fell for the hype about his midtown apartment and loving the city anyway. The Answer Man simply makes the best of what is. Jason Kidd is what is. If Steve Nash had signed with our beloved Knicks it would be a marvelous day to celebrate his portfolio and tutoring Jeremy Lin. But he is a Laker which means he is the enemy, ergo... he ain't a New York Knick, so he gets dissed. He runs with Kobe and Bynum. He must be stopped.
On the other hand, Jason Kidd is the greatest thing since Maurice Cheeks, who helped us defeat the Celtics IN Boston by the way. See how it works?
Knicksfan@ 7/6/2012 6:12 PM
For us to really sport a solid team next season we need the following:
Starting Lineup:
PG- Jeremy Lin SG- NEEDED STARTER [Landry is gone] SF- Carmelo Anthony PF- Amar'e Stoudemire C-- Tyson Chandler
Bench:
PG- Jason Kidd SG- BACKUP SHOORING GUARD [PLACE PROBABLY RESERVED FOR J.R. SMITH] SF- Steve Novak [we'll surely re-sign him] PF- VERSATILE GUARD/FORWARD [RIGHT NOW THIS PLACE WILL PROBABLY BE FOR JARED JEFFRIES BUT COULD KEEP LOOKING FOR UPGRADES?] C-- SOLID VETERAN CENTER [RIGHT NOW DAN GADZURIC BUT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAD A GUY LIKE MARCUS CAMBY] SF- James White [IF HE CAN PLAY GUARD TOO IT WOULD BE NICE] F/C Josh Harrellson
IR: PG- THIRD STRINGER[RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE TONY DOUGLAS BUT I THINK HE WILL BE MOVED] SG- Iman Shumpert (UNTIL JANUARY AT BEST) C-- Jerome Jordan
loweyecue@ 7/6/2012 7:35 PM
Knicksfan wrote:For us to really sport a solid team next season we need the following:
Starting Lineup:
PG- Jeremy Lin SG- NEEDED STARTER [Landry is gone] SF- Carmelo Anthony PF- Amar'e Stoudemire C-- Tyson Chandler
Bench:
PG- Jason Kidd SG- BACKUP SHOORING GUARD [PLACE PROBABLY RESERVED FOR J.R. SMITH] SF- Steve Novak [we'll surely re-sign him] PF- VERSATILE GUARD/FORWARD [RIGHT NOW THIS PLACE WILL PROBABLY BE FOR JARED JEFFRIES BUT COULD KEEP LOOKING FOR UPGRADES?] C-- SOLID VETERAN CENTER [RIGHT NOW DAN GADZURIC BUT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAD A GUY LIKE MARCUS CAMBY] SF- James White [IF HE CAN PLAY GUARD TOO IT WOULD BE NICE] F/C Josh Harrellson
IR: PG- THIRD STRINGER[RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE TONY DOUGLAS BUT I THINK HE WILL BE MOVED] SG- Iman Shumpert (UNTIL JANUARY AT BEST) C-- Jerome Jordan
Where"s Novak?
JohnStarksFan@ 7/6/2012 10:05 PM
Knicksfan wrote:For us to really sport a solid team next season we need the following:
Starting Lineup:
PG- Jeremy Lin SG- NEEDED STARTER [Landry is gone] SF- Carmelo Anthony PF- Amar'e Stoudemire C-- Tyson Chandler
Bench:
PG- Jason Kidd SG- BACKUP SHOORING GUARD [PLACE PROBABLY RESERVED FOR J.R. SMITH] SF- Steve Novak [we'll surely re-sign him] PF- VERSATILE GUARD/FORWARD [RIGHT NOW THIS PLACE WILL PROBABLY BE FOR JARED JEFFRIES BUT COULD KEEP LOOKING FOR UPGRADES?] C-- SOLID VETERAN CENTER [RIGHT NOW DAN GADZURIC BUT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE HAD A GUY LIKE MARCUS CAMBY] SF- James White [IF HE CAN PLAY GUARD TOO IT WOULD BE NICE] F/C Josh Harrellson
IR: PG- THIRD STRINGER[RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE TONY DOUGLAS BUT I THINK HE WILL BE MOVED] SG- Iman Shumpert (UNTIL JANUARY AT BEST) C-- Jerome Jordan
I know the Knicks gave James White guaranteed money, but that doesn't guarantee him a roster spot. He still needs to earn that.
misterearl@ 7/7/2012 5:38 PM
What Carmelo Really Meant (Guarantee: All Dialogue reported Verbatim)
What Carmelo Said: “I like Jason Kidd. I’m pretty sure I’ll talk to him the next couple of days.”
What Really Happened: I called Jason while he was playing golf Thursday and told him he could go quietly and retire or have some fun in The World's Most Famous Arena. He did the math”
What Carmelo Said: “It takes a lot of pressure off me to try to do everything, I can pick my spots, and Amar’e can pick his spots.”
What Carmelo Felt In His Heart: We are going to have a blast.
What Carmelo Said:“He is a guy who can get everybody involved, I don’t have to do too much ball handling. Right now, my mind-set is to start working off the ball a lot more.”
What Carmelo Meant: “I’m getting accustomed to playing with Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul on the United States national team, last I checked Mike Bibby was not here. Jason will be a refreshing segue”
RonRon@ 7/7/2012 7:13 PM
At least Kidd is one less player that used his Hawk to cheap shot Lin. Maybe he can pass that down to his arsenal of defense *Hawk eye* to Lin and his court vision...
callmened@ 7/8/2012 1:34 AM
Courtney lee..how come no one is talkng abt him
misterearl@ 7/8/2012 8:46 AM
The Answer Man Enjoys Jelly Donuts At Wimbledon
Q. callmened - Courtney lee... how come no one is talkng abt him?
A. No one includes the Pacrs. Wzards. T'Wolves, who are in the chase.
UPdated From Houston
Guards Jason Kidd - 18 good minutes Jeremy Lin, how many sequels are better than the original? Iman Shumpert, just in time for the playoffs push JR Smith - about 50 percent of those who get tattoos later regret them Chris Smith - shot 40 per cent from three point range last two seasons at Louisville Pablo Prigioni, Steve Nash lite?
Forwards Carmelo Anthony, relaxed and ready Amar'e Stoudemire, ripped and refreshed Steve Novak, "As I've said a million times, I would just love to be back (in NY)." James White, was he robbed by David Lee at the slam dunk contest? Kostas Papanikolaou (2013)
Centers Tyson Chandler, meet Jason Kidd. Oh, you guys know each other? Cool. Marcus Camby, former teammate, Knicks assistant general manager Allan Houston, is expected to be a part of the recruiting process. Josh Harrellson Timofey Mozgov (2013
