Knicks · Pathetic egos running NBA such as Riley, DWade can sway stars for own fame(s) & title thirst boasts (page 1)

Sure these players coming to Miami letting it known they'd take anyone, my or your grandma if they can forsake $millions to sleep with HEAT and be the best where there was but join forces with elite other players.

This was never existed in sports and now its being build in Miami Heat Nation and Pat Riley the messiah or GOD of Pro sports. He is a terrific con man, and working to get only the elite guys to join him for no or any cost$$$, with Dwayne Wade being the vice president of phone calls and tweets.

All these teams and era is doing is tarnishing competition and once fair way of doing the
development of the NBA game and nothing Mr Sterns can do he probable loves it!

This further also gives credence and excellence to Pat Ewing's, Karl Malone, Stockton and
Barkley, Elgin Baylor and any of the great HOF guys whom never had to tweet, make phone calls
play public relations or have a owner/Greedy GM go way overbounds and out of the rules to get
good great stars, allstars, hall of famer pending guys to accept their terms to play for 'No pay'
and come to Miami.

Not Michael Jordan, not Larry Bird, not Magic Johnson nor Kareem, Havlichek certainly not Bill Russell or Reed, Frazier, Hakeem or other stars. All these NBA pros never had todays nba freedoms
to go underground for piecing teams together. Why have scouts ? or consultants & GM's ? When a
D. Wade can influence alot by urgence of his GM/prez Pat Riley.

Credence and credit to all sports pros whom went to work & tried to win without the extra drama
seen from Miami. Pretty soon they'll steal Kevin Durant and CP3 in few yrs to Miami too!

All for point of building statues for Mr Riley and Mr D.Wade in Florida as 2 of greatest sports
florida persons to selfish-ly get their fames... When these guys win a 2nd or more titles the
Bosh's, the Allen's, the other pieces aint going to be remembered.

Riley and D.Wade accomplishments will never be comparable to the Sports era's true competitors
agains formidable foes and teams whom won with what they built, not convinced souls or BEG them
to shun their superstar feats and come to Miami for the sake of Miami & Pat Riley. Take less $$$
for sake of ownership and Pat Riley, Dwade whom only soley care about Pat and Dwayne!

Neither man could care less about anything else! Way league is going HEAT will be 1st team one day
to get NBA pros to play for free. And tout opportunity to suit up near LBJ & Dwade as reason

This is not the true competive and strategic manner sport pro teams should be able to compete.
Lets hope more than ever, a broken leg for D.Wade. A busted hand for Bosh or Allen. And broken
spirits south beach fans and from Pat Riley & M.Errison.

Whole sports world didn't have chance to applaud a LBJ/HEAT hard fought title won
Now the whole pro NBA world who aint HEAT fans hate the HEAT even more. One day their system
will stop and fail. Lets hope it wont be after several more NBA title championships.

Pat Riley will NEVER be Red Auerbach. DWade will NEVER be Michael Jordan.
These guys ruin the true competition and parity of sports balance and intrique.

God bless the rest & may Pat Riley and D.Wade all go to HELL! and never ever be in my heaven of god.
That is a true win !

I feel your pain but there's nothing the we can do , Unfortunately the NBA has a salary cap otherwise the Knicks would be the Yankees believe that, Dolan isn't worried about spending money and The Knicks are most valuable franchise in the NBA. Riley and Wade will rule the NBA for the next 5 years prob with this game. I hope this team can ban together and give them hell. At least go down fighting like the 90's Knicks vs Bulls

Dude, this rant is just terrible. If that was the Knicks with Wade and Lebron you'd be on the opposite side of this argument. Chill.

JohnStarksFan wrote:Dude, this rant is just terrible. If that was the Knicks with Wade and Lebron you'd be on the opposite side of this argument. Chill.

Nope not at all, Its amazing you said that.
You miss the point my friend. League getting back to where bunch of teams has players & Elite or very good teams the Top 20 - 50 nba
players. What the heck kind of league is that eh ?

Knicks situation is different. And talking bout Wade and LBJ who wants a guy/star ? Who dont want NY or could care less ?

That is cool go play where you're most comfortable or can do business deal if option to move as a player like LBJ did, but dont tell me I'd be on opposite side that is purely hogwash /trash.

ITs better with a fair balance league, star here & there on each team in smaller cities, You rather have 15 or 1/2 of NBA Org. in
league have chances in playoffs rather than 20-25 teams with NO ZIP Chance.

YOU want a bunch, dozen & half more teams with 40-50 loss seasons cause of this process ? I feel sorry for u my friend.

I am all for building a team but when a star, talented or superstar player leaves teams I'd like to know they WANT NY and nothing else.

You know something eh ? If in days of Bernard King Or Pat Ew if a guy picked up phone or org. member and called a player to talk
about leaving or coming to their team NY would make headlines back then for tampering, their is time and period for things. OF
course NBAers are pals some and you cant control it all.

However Cant convince me some of the guys are into the Team genuinely, they joined. Case Shane Battier a vital part isnt a Star
so their is no one going to gripe about them kinda moves, you cant compare Battier to a R.Allen Different story 'jack'

At Least Amare Stout came here "Knicks are back" though he got $$$ signing fair Stout came to a so-so bad or non-playoff knick team. Melo wanted to be home and left Nuggets being playoff team > 500 gave his service of 6 yrs, to come home to NY Knicks a worse team than most nearly not being in playoffs every season after Y2K.

Melo wanted Knicks, equally wanted NY though he could have got advice & suppress his big $$ payday demands to allow NYK $money room.

R.Allen is going cause Riles simply convinced him. Allen a celt/buck/sonic Hates the Heat.
Allen can get 2nd ring $$ & coat-tail fame with 2 hall of famers, R.Allen being 3rd HOF some day.

Guys /stars do this & I guess it's cool but if you want to win a championship go help a team needing to beat the BEST (Mia)
instead of joining the BEST which gives you free reign easier path to NBA Titles.

I Can see if Allen is getting fair $$ or equal but to spurn Celtics higher $ offer already won in Boston to join Heat is weak.
instead of trying to BEAT Heat is not the same as for rest of teams trying to build, acquire & compete in exciting league.

You think for 1 sec Pat Riley going to stop, he'll bend league in 1-2 yrs figure out how to get CP3 from LA Clips and all the
major players if you let M.Arrison and Riley has their way. The Heat also would love to have guys perhaps like J.Wall, Westbrook,
Alridge and other skilled coming off their bench eh?

Then you want to tell me this afterwards will be a competitive today's NBA eh ?
I'll laugh ! You'll see what product nba becomes

I hate these star pairings. That's really my whole reason for being anti-Lbj. I can't deny though it's brought us back to respectability. As far as lebrons game goes I've always loved him. He was my favorite player when he was on Cleveland and I love his desire to win but I lost mostly all respect for him when he signed with 2 other star talents and threw that ridiculous party afterwards. He basically set the tone that it's ok to sell out. Loyalty is not important. I didn't expect him to return to Cleveland because they had no talent but I never thought he would sell out the way he did, especially after gathering all the 2010 free agents and discussing how to make the league better. But at the same time I'm really not mad he won, simply because I don't consider Miami a super team. Wade lost half a step and bosh hasnt really been even all star caliber. Guys like Mario and Battier just stepped up and LeBron payed like an MVP and got his role players great looks. I've basically just accepted this new era of whiny players but I do feel horrible for the small market teams who have it even worse than before.

In the NBA, stars win. Other stars are beginning to recognize that and band together. It's that simple.

Silverfuel wrote:In the NBA, stars win. Other stars are beginning to recognize that and band together. It's that simple.

Doesn't make it right. What if all our (stars) decided they wanted Brooklyn instead? It would be devastating. Or is it ok because we're NY and we'll always be appealing?
Maybe the cba needs to be scrapped already. How about no limit on Max contracts for re-signing with your respective team?

Boo hoo.

Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

Dont blame anyone for not wanting to play for Dolan. Its a shame because the Garden is by far the best place to play Basketball. Knick fans are very passionate and starving to win. Whoever brings a title herre will be worshipped like a god

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

I don't get the point of the thread.

Actually, I like seeing stars line up together. It's a work of beauty to see Lebron-Wade together at the top of their games. Maybe some day we'll have a competent owner who can get top 10 players in the league to want to team up for us.

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

Dont blame anyone for not wanting to play for Dolan. Its a shame because the Garden is by far the best place to play Basketball. Knick fans are very passionate and starving to win. Whoever brings a title herre will be worshipped like a god

Don't blame Dolan either.

Other than Melo name a star player who wanted to come to the Knicks?

It's never happened.

Players aren't beating the door down to play at the Mecca.

Feeling salty?? Who cares what the queen does its a knick forum. I read people write how can the heat improve with their limited options lol. Wtf do you care where a player goes. Lol, allen obviously wants to expand his time in the league and be more effiicient.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

I don't get the point of the thread.

Actually, I like seeing stars line up together. It's a work of beauty to see Lebron-Wade together at the top of their games. Maybe some day we'll have a competent owner who can get top 10 players in the league to want to team up for us.

<< .. top 10 players in the league to want to team up for us ...>>

*Thats the point of the thread boyz/men

There is a 12 man roster (1-2 adds) each team. You all want to claim its better to say do the math top 10? worst case say 4-6 guys
of half top 10 talent 41 % or best case 10/12 or nearly 83% of talent on a single contender team that is great I reckon for contender.

NBA egos/stars got phone books and power, agents to call each other and figure out how to use the system to play together
but if not go where they want.

I feel does game of NBA injustice. These players from #1 to lowly 12man on bench make nice living as millionaire where is the fairness ? in competition. And as much as I hate Dolan to his credit he does spend $$$ and 1/2 to 3/4 (75%).

More of these so call NBA superstars didnt want to ever come to NY Knicks & I aint talking about LBJ Either. Couldnt care
less for superstars whom want nothing to do with our city (cool, fine). Titles arent all about just bunched superstars anyhow.

Players scoffed NY and despite its owner's woes once a paycheck is written guys go for the $$$ money or go for their friends
and feats of a NBA Title.Good for Ray Allen, he has no $$ money needs in Miami nor he has no friends in DWade or LBJ but I'm
sure he wants that title again, feels Boston is worst choice.

Point of post is its fair & legal does it make it right ?

As far as Pat Riley using Wade to influence stars at all cost(no costs) to come & gratify the legend Riley and Miami to consider being with King James and DWade. Whom wouldnt want that right? Bosh felt likewise but good for Chris too a #1 on a bad Raptor team
so I'll cut Bosh alot of slack.

Is this all right ? Teams playing down to their contract term end to go to where the most stars are?

Dunno bout that.
I've never seen in no other sports but basketball that players/agents can control whom they go to & whom they play with as much
as recent NBA. I never remembered Frazier or Reed picking up phone to call Earl Monroe from Baltimore. Nor Bird calling the
chief Robert Parrish to get agent to move Robert to Celtics, Nor Hakeem prying Drexler to seek a trade to Rockets, Nor Duncan
calling anyone to win his 4 rings as did Kobe calling Steve Nash to cement Nash joining LA Lakers.

I aint hear a peep about Patrick Ewing, other than at end of Bull/Knicks wars after many Bull titles Ewing said only he wants to
beat MJ but also would play in chicago with MJ cause they were foes and friend. And that wasnt happening! (Ew in Chi-town)

The past nba isnt today's NBA.

To go on like its great for 25-35 of best elite NBA guys to get 2-4 together on a NBA contender team is absurd thought and
unfair to smaller market business teams & if it doesnt bother anyone else cool! We all have opinions.

It just isnt competitive anymore, when the process doent unfold naturally as opposed to what we witness today!
These movements should all be more or less not because of superstars doing GM' work or team presidents getting to chat
with bunch of NBA great players to convince all the Riley way is the way to his fortunes, NBA titles with the stars
irregardless of parity in the league. That's all I'm saying

Would it have been better if Magic and Kareem never played together? Bird, Parish, & McHale?

Bonn1997 wrote:Would it have been better if Magic and Kareem never played together? Bird, Parish, & McHale?

Hey, Magic & Kareem had Worthy too.

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

Dont blame anyone for not wanting to play for Dolan. Its a shame because the Garden is by far the best place to play Basketball. Knick fans are very passionate and starving to win. Whoever brings a title herre will be worshipped like a god

Other than Melo name a star player who wanted to come to the Knicks?

Chris Paul. Too bad there is now way to get him.

knickscity wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

Dont blame anyone for not wanting to play for Dolan. Its a shame because the Garden is by far the best place to play Basketball. Knick fans are very passionate and starving to win. Whoever brings a title herre will be worshipped like a god

Other than Melo name a star player who wanted to come to the Knicks?

That's the problem. Dolan's never assembled a team that stars wanted to join.

Bonn1997 wrote:Would it have been better if Magic and Kareem never played together? Bird, Parish, & McHale?

I believe you are making his point for him. Those great teams were not put together through players conspiring.

DJMUSIC wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:Seriously, what is the point of this thread?

whining we can't spend unlimited amounts of money?

When we could, we phucked it up big time.

The yankees had no limits in the 1980's and came up with nothing.

Nt until it build off its youthful core did it succeed. Jeter a rookie since 1995.

17 seasons since he broke in. THink of who the knicks were back than and all that (has not) transpired.

Ok, NBA has few 17 year runs with players but you get the jest.

What Miami did was legal and Riley played it perfectly.

Ray allen is not a star anymore. He is an old guy with a great cred. He could rejuvenate with Heat or keep breaking.

Knicks Lost lebron because the crazy media intensity and lack of a charismatic leader. Dolan is the leader. While Walsh was not on his game it was clear Dolan was the lead guy and true to form castrated Donnie at the first opportunity. Lebron made the right call as much as I hate to admit it. Knicks ownership is a joke.

I don't get the point of the thread.

Actually, I like seeing stars line up together. It's a work of beauty to see Lebron-Wade together at the top of their games. Maybe some day we'll have a competent owner who can get top 10 players in the league to want to team up for us.

<< .. top 10 players in the league to want to team up for us ...>>

*Thats the point of the thread boyz/men

There is a 12 man roster (1-2 adds) each team. You all want to claim its better to say do the math top 10? worst case say 4-6 guys
of half top 10 talent 41 % or best case 10/12 or nearly 83% of talent on a single contender team that is great I reckon for contender.

NBA egos/stars got phone books and power, agents to call each other and figure out how to use the system to play together
but if not go where they want.

I feel does game of NBA injustice. These players from #1 to lowly 12man on bench make nice living as millionaire where is the fairness ? in competition. And as much as I hate Dolan to his credit he does spend $$$ and 1/2 to 3/4 (75%).

More of these so call NBA superstars didnt want to ever come to NY Knicks & I aint talking about LBJ Either. Couldnt care
less for superstars whom want nothing to do with our city (cool, fine). Titles arent all about just bunched superstars anyhow.

Players scoffed NY and despite its owner's woes once a paycheck is written guys go for the $$$ money or go for their friends
and feats of a NBA Title.Good for Ray Allen, he has no $$ money needs in Miami nor he has no friends in DWade or LBJ but I'm
sure he wants that title again, feels Boston is worst choice.

Point of post is its fair & legal does it make it right ?

As far as Pat Riley using Wade to influence stars at all cost(no costs) to come & gratify the legend Riley and Miami to consider being with King James and DWade. Whom wouldnt want that right? Bosh felt likewise but good for Chris too a #1 on a bad Raptor team
so I'll cut Bosh alot of slack.

Is this all right ? Teams playing down to their contract term end to go to where the most stars are?

Dunno bout that.
I've never seen in no other sports but basketball that players/agents can control whom they go to & whom they play with as much
as recent NBA. I never remembered Frazier or Reed picking up phone to call Earl Monroe from Baltimore. Nor Bird calling the
chief Robert Parrish to get agent to move Robert to Celtics, Nor Hakeem prying Drexler to seek a trade to Rockets, Nor Duncan
calling anyone to win his 4 rings as did Kobe calling Steve Nash to cement Nash joining LA Lakers.

I aint hear a peep about Patrick Ewing, other than at end of Bull/Knicks wars after many Bull titles Ewing said only he wants to
beat MJ but also would play in chicago with MJ cause they were foes and friend. And that wasnt happening! (Ew in Chi-town)

The past nba isnt today's NBA.

To go on like its great for 25-35 of best elite NBA guys to get 2-4 together on a NBA contender team is absurd thought and
unfair to smaller market business teams & if it doesnt bother anyone else cool! We all have opinions.

It just isnt competitive anymore, when the process doent unfold naturally as opposed to what we witness today!
These movements should all be more or less not because of superstars doing GM' work or team presidents getting to chat
with bunch of NBA great players to convince all the Riley way is the way to his fortunes, NBA titles with the stars
irregardless of parity in the league. That's all I'm saying

Good take even if I don't agree with it all.

"We don't hear" don't mean it was not done. It was just not reported. Actually it may have been players were not going to tell the media and back in the day it was tampering. Why it is not I don't know.

Superstar one and done players don't build rivalries on their college teams. The love is build on regional AAU teams and all star teams in the summer begin these relationships. Olympic teams also bind these guys. A few weeks with guys culturally similar to you and makes 100 mil can be the ties that bind.

Ego and thirst to win I don't fault Riles to have. He ate a 15 win year to clear his roster to get a chance and was patient with his roster and this current coach.

I hate Riles BTW.

I am not sure if it is Dolan or if Isiah is still giving him pointers.
But looking at many teams, we lack talent in many areas, it is poorly constructed like Briggs said, examples look at The Suns, Toronto, Twolves, Bucks if they resign Ilyasova...
Paying max to 2 forwards that cannot play good defense, handle the ball/facilitate, and penetrate off the dribble are bad combinations.
Look at their rosters, compare it back with ours right now, they are players that fit, and have a philosophy/system/roles with multi skills vs 1 dimensional players we have now.

Like the richest NBA owner, The Russian, he stays out of majority of the decisions, he lets his GM/President to their job, and he gets to decide how much he is willing to spend.
James Dolan is a control freak, unlike his new nemesis, The Russian, allows his employees to do their job.
If Dolan let Walsh finish his job, I am sure it would be a much better constructed team.
Amare would still be considered an All Star and have good value on the system/players we loss.
I think Donnie's plan was to get a premier PG, that is why he signed Felton to a 2 year deal, and that was the reason he signed Felton to only a 2 year deal.
As well as adding a center, in the following summer, and quality role players.