Knicks · Amare says he wants to bring a championship to NY (page 4)

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

you're talking about 10-11. he's talking about 11-12

I think you're right; I misunderstood "last year"

positives to take out of that are: maybe either amar'e is playing better under woodson or he's finally healing from the back injury

also, his FG percentage in 11-12 before Lin emerged was about 42%.

after Lin emerged, despite Amar'e being injured a fair amount, it was over 55%. (and as Fish mentions, the death of his brother, which i cannot imagine playing or working thru)

amar'e MIGHT just need a good PG. luckily we now have 2.

his post-all-star dip in 10-11 could also be connected to Felton being traded away. Chauncey and Toney were not penetrating PGs.

Lin definitely is a penetrating PG. Prigioni seems to be. Kidd seems to get guys the ball in the right spots.

I do think he can be a positive contribtor on the offensive end if he stays healthy and has a good PG. I agree with the basic claim that we're much better off with Amare than Melo taking shots. Melo takes about 19 shots a game with about 6 or 7 being low quality shots. I'd much rather see him take 13 or 14 high quality shots.

Moonangie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Moonangie wrote:I agree with both sides this time. Stat was off his game last season for many reasons. I believe he will bounce back. Youdon't just lose your mid-range game. Injuries, lack of PG play, Melo on constant ISOs, Chandler in the lane...

BUT, he showed a serious lack of professionalism on the defensive side, lack of hustle, lack of interest in boxing out or rebounding. So his words ring very hollow to me right now. If he brings more of that Shyte this season, he's a chump.

I hope he steps up and matches his words with some action.

good post. i think amar'e will be better on the floor this season... but i've also lost a lot of faith in him as a team leader or even as a team player.

wow.. dude's brother gets killed and he cant move his back and people think he's unproffesional because his effort and focus were not consistant. Please people.... wake up. I can only image how your (your meaning anyone reading this, not directed at crzy) work performance may suffer after burying your brother and dealing with the pain of an injury. You know whats professional? Showing up to work everyday and giving what you can give. Thats whats professional.

Hey Chuckbuck... Amare is 18 months older than Melo. The guy is an elite player his whole career and has one off year and people want him gone, meanwhile the same guys ride the jock of our other star who 1) quit and addmitted to quitting on his coach and team 2) hasnt changed the winning % of the roster 3) is a 46% career scorer (pedestrian) vs. a 54% career scorer (elite)

I love how people cry about loyalty and players should take less money etc, then when a guy who's been a stud his whole career has an off year they want him waived, amnestied, taken out back... you get the idea. Boy the internet brings out the best in everyone.

I hear you, Mike. But I also watched the games. Stat ain't no damn excuse maker. Yes, it stung to lose his brother the way he did. Yes he was injured. But what I watched on defense made me bitter toward Stat because he clearly didn't try at all. He just let it go.

If you are a Knickerbocker and you can't bring it every game, sit your grieving ass down and let someone else get it done. We are in this to win, not to sob. I sympathize with his issues and I wish him the best. But I EXPECT him to show up on the wood and do what he's paid to do. If he can't, that's a bummer but it doesn't change anything.

No Excuses. Life doesn't stop for sports or for any of us. You gotta be able to roll with it come what may. It's tough sometimes, but men don't sit around and feel sorry for themselves. They deal. And Stat is a man, or so I assume.

so when Melo refused to play hard in one of the NBA's best offensive scheme because it didnt suit his game and quit on the coach and his teammates did it give you the same bitterness?

crzymdups wrote:In March 2012, really the only month both Lin and Amar'e were both healthy and playing -

Amar'e averaged 18ppg 8.2rebs 1.1blks on 56% shooting. he took 12 shots a game and scored 18points.

reason to have hope for the Amar'e/Lin pairing.

I agree with this. Gives us hope Amare will bounced back. He still needs to give more effort on the other end tho

Bonn1997 wrote:

2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

post all star 2011-2012 FG .553
post all star 2010-2011 FG .491

April 43% was 4 games. Please
The 18 games prior in March he was 24ppg on 50%

Over 78 games Amare gives you 25ppg on 50% and somehow you credit him with one good half a season

GodNa7ion wrote:how about learning how to do a drop stop, step up and stop penetration and boxing out and rebounding the ball

this is what i wanted to say...anyway...I'll continue to ignore this thread

I might be the only one but I feel Amare is gonna have a great year. Maybe close to the 2010-11 Amare. I think Amares knows that after all the stupid things he has done he knows he has to have a great year. if Amare and Melo can both co-exist i think we can beat teh heat because we also have so much depth and defense now

Mray20 wrote:Amar'e Stoudemire ‏@Amareisreal
"I'm working so hard to help bring a championship to NY. I'm willing to do whatever it takes 4 that 2 happen"

I think Amare should consider asking Woodson to play him with 2nd unit.
Like Fields, I don't think he fits in with the starting lineup.
Camby is a little more mobile and will occasionally hit the 12 footer that Tyson Chandler will not take.
He could be the #1 option as the alpha with this squad most importantly, FIT IN.
We currently don't really have a starting SG or PF to replace him though.

Pablo/Kidd
Kidd/White
White/Novak
Amare
Camby

RonRon wrote:I think Amare should consider asking Woodson to play him with 2nd unit.
Like Fields, I don't think he fits in with the starting lineup.
Camby is a little more mobile and will occasionally hit the 12 footer that Tyson Chandler will not take.
He could be the #1 option as the alpha with this squad most importantly, FIT IN.
We currently don't really have a starting SG or PF to replace him though.

Pablo/Kidd
Kidd/White
White/Novak
Amare
Camby

I've advocated this before, too. It'd mean moving Melo to PF and re-signing Landry to be the starting SF.

fishmike wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

because Melo is better than Wade

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

When Amare had his run of 30+ points for that long stretch of games, he was playing center and was easily skating by slow footed centers who were either afraid to commit and if they did, he would blow by them. Chandler's presence has slowed Amares production way more than Melo has. But hey, we blame Melo for everything so why stop now....

Uptown wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

When Amare had his run of 30+ points for that long stretch of games, he was playing center and was easily skating by slow footed centers who were either afraid to commit and if they did, he would blow by them. Chandler's presence has slowed Amares production way more than Melo has. But hey, we blame Melo for everything so why stop now....

I posted Amare's stats playing with Shaq. 21ppg on 56% shooting. Please explain how this was accomplished against the powerforwards of the WC. Please.

I can only speak for myself, but who is blaming Melo for anything? All Im talking about is Amare's value as a player, and when Amare and Melo are both healthy Amare is so far and clear the superior offensive player its not debateable. Its not, and never has been. Melo's FG% is league average. Amare's is among the elite scorers of our era or better.

crzymdups wrote:

RonRon wrote:I think Amare should consider asking Woodson to play him with 2nd unit.
Like Fields, I don't think he fits in with the starting lineup.
Camby is a little more mobile and will occasionally hit the 12 footer that Tyson Chandler will not take.
He could be the #1 option as the alpha with this squad most importantly, FIT IN.
We currently don't really have a starting SG or PF to replace him though.

Pablo/Kidd
Kidd/White
White/Novak
Amare
Camby

I've advocated this before, too. It'd mean moving Melo to PF and re-signing Landry to be the starting SF.

That isn't a bad idea at all, it could keep Lin happy and the handshake alive.
I would like to see if Grunweld has offers on the table with Gadzuric's contract and what is left of the 3m send to Houston.

Gadzuric
Cash *about 1m??*
JJ *if we have his early bird rights
2016 2nd round pick

Not sure if this could net us something with

Spurs *Blairre/Gary Neal* Blairre has fallen out of the rotation with Boris Diaw resigned, he no longer will get minutes. They also resigned backup PG Patty Mills/Danny Green, so Gary Neal might be available

Dallas *Kidd*, so we have mini MLE,

Twolves *Anthony Tolliver or AR*

Clippers *Foye/Kenyon Martin*

Atlanta *Ivan Johnson*, solid PF/C as a double double guy

Kings *Terrence Williams*

Portland *Felton* not sure if we can throw in 2016 1st rounder and Baron Davis/Bibby in there to add up salaries as.

Lin
White/JR or vet min like Deshawn Stevenson/Alex Young (undrafted player that I really like) Hollis Thompson would have been nice standing at 6'8 and 40% 3point shooter in college but he signed with OKC.
Melo
Tolliver or Blairre
Chandler

Mray20 wrote:Amar'e Stoudemire ‏@Amareisreal
"I'm working so hard to help bring a championship to NY. I'm willing to do whatever it takes 4 that 2 happen"

Hopefully he is still working with Hakeem. I am sure not being on team USA was humbling and motivating. Hahn mentioned that Woodson was very hard
On Lin at his exit meeting. I hope he gave amare some advice on what to work on.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

When Amare had his run of 30+ points for that long stretch of games, he was playing center and was easily skating by slow footed centers who were either afraid to commit and if they did, he would blow by them. Chandler's presence has slowed Amares production way more than Melo has. But hey, we blame Melo for everything so why stop now....

I posted Amare's stats playing with Shaq. 21ppg on 56% shooting. Please explain how this was accomplished against the powerforwards of the WC. Please.

I can only speak for myself, but who is blaming Melo for anything? All Im talking about is Amare's value as a player, and when Amare and Melo are both healthy Amare is so far and clear the superior offensive player its not debateable. Its not, and never has been. Melo's FG% is league average. Amare's is among the elite scorers of our era or better.

Amare did not add many moves to his game and relies on athleticism, PG penetration *Nash is elite*, and his ability to DUNK.
At his age though, his best physical skills are behind him and will be declining, There are plenty of players in this draft that could do what Amare does but are younger/more athletic than he is now.

Moultrie *drafted by Heat and traded to Philly* and Perry Jones, are the younger more skilled versions of Amare.
They were both drafted in the end of the 1st round.
I am glad that Amare is taking this off season to improve and maybe he will return in better shape, but I still don't believe he fits in with the starting lineup.
I hope he is working on his foot speed, coordination, foot work, and ability to RUN, for offense and for defensive purposes.

Wouldn't be surprised if JJ is not signed and if so Amare will have to improve his foot speed/footwork and bring what JJ has done for us.
Between JJ and Camby, they both are injury prone and are not scoring threats, with our core being pretty old, going in another direction might be the best for both sides.
JJ could possibly be our last player we could use with Gadzuric's contract as well.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

post all star 2011-2012 FG .553
post all star 2010-2011 FG .491

April 43% was 4 games. Please
The 18 games prior in March he was 24ppg on 50%

Over 78 games Amare gives you 25ppg on 50% and somehow you credit him with one good half a season

Apparently you are the only one allowed to cite 4 game samples. For the record, I would not cite a 4 game sample; I thought I was correcting your statistic but I misunderstood which April you were referring to.
Technically, it was more like 3/4 of a great season and 1 1/4 bad seasons in NY for Amare.

I don't need to read three pages to know this is a bullshit thread. What did y'all want Amar'e to say? That he doesn't want to bring a championship to NY?

ridiculous

Don't say anything at all. Go out on the court and prove it. He's said the same thing the past 2 seasons. Go out on the court and show what you mean. End of story.

JamesKPolk wrote:Don't say anything at all. Go out on the court and prove it. He's said the same thing the past 2 seasons. Go out on the court and show what you mean. End of story.

Without Amar'e signing in NY, there is a good chance there is no playoffs in 2011 or 2012. And no Melo. And no Tyson.

Amar'e was a pioneer. No one respected the Knicks before he came. He has my respect. They need his swagger. I hope it's back this year.

He's just trying to motivate his team. Geez. What do you want him to say? Nothing? Get a grip.

again.. what is the logic behind having the best scorer on your team come off the bench? Because he's 18 mos older than Melo and yes.. coming off a bad year?

The solution is to get Lin into the paint where he can feed Amare and Chandler for HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS (which are better than low percentage shots). When that happens teams will be forced to collapse near the basket which is when our shooters pick you apart. The most important of those shooters is Melo, who in my humble opinion has one of the best mid range games in the NBA. You want to sag off your guy to cover the paint or Lin breaking down his guy? Fine.. thats when Melo destroys you.

This roster has a lot of talent. A ton. I still believe in the talent we have here. I understand there are parts here that need to conform and change. One of those parts is NOT Amare's offense. This talk about expanding his game is insane. The guy shoots 54% AND averages 8 trips to the FT line. Thats essentially unguardable in the NBA. Want to win the playoffs? He's a career 25ppg, 10rpg on 52% in 36 games and he's actually won some playoff games.

That is the well we want to tap. That is how you win.

This is usually where VMart posts "fish, your hatred of Melo has again clouded your judgement."

Wait for it... here it comes....

I want to see Amare work on his goddam game like he's supposed to. Look at Melo, already working on adding the "Dirk" fadeaway: