Knicks · If the Knicks let Lin go, I might be done. (page 6)
munco wrote:People root for teams for different reasons. I've lived in NYC for 12 years now and while I wanted them to do well since I was living here, I didn't always like their personnel and generally hated their roster moves. Along comes Linsanity and it's a blast and impossible to not root for the Knicks. It sure looks like the Knicks will let Lin walk and with that I can't say I'm too excited about the team and its prospects this year. Assembling the oldest team in the NBA by adding four players in their late 30s is not how we're going to win. I'll still root for the Knicks more than most teams since I live here, but no longer will they be my favorite team.
There's always Brooklyn. 
ATrain wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Guys are acting like he's Chris Paul. Dude wasn't the greatest floor General. Other than Novak, who did he make better, which is a point guard job. Was very good at getting his own shot though.Stop using logic. It does not apply here.
Hey Hey Hey! He dropped 38 on Kobe, what are you talking about? 
Paladin55 wrote:jrodmc wrote:crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:crzymdups wrote:Anji wrote:Bookmarked
The Butt hurt right now is epic.LOL
I'll bookmark this for when people look back in two years as letting Lin as one of the worst decisions since trading Camby and Nene for Dyess.
Why did that trade happen? Oh yeah, because Dolan didn't like Camby. Now Lin hurt his feelings.
I'm sick of rooting for the whims of an alcoholic jazz guitarist.
Bah Bye
I hear there's a line for deranged dot.com billionaire chip team deconstructor genius wannabe groupies. Go to OKC, turn left (wistfully) and stop somewhere before you get the Rio Grande. Dirk's jersey will look really good on you. If that doesn't work out, you can wander around the state in a heat-induced (hey, there's another team you can possibly defect to) daze until you find an owner worthy of your rooting.
I love the pride you guys have for Dolan. It's sweet. Weird. But sweet.
The pride is for the team, not the owner. The owner, for the 15th bazillionth time, is not the team. If you want to root for an owner, like I said, Cuban's a fun guy. He's loud, brash, attends every game and ticks off the refs and the league.
Go have fun.
... And what exactly is a "team." The reason I prefer the NFL is that you have a core of players you can identify as your "team," and you can actually watch young players develop (or fail to develop). To some extend MLB is similar, although FA and the lack of a cap are a problem, IMO. I invest my time as a fan in watching the players who are the "team," and over the years the Knicks have given me fewer and fewer reasons to invest my time in following them because the ownership does not seem to want to give you an opportunity to watch young players grow and mature.The discontinuity of our roster over the years is maddening if you actually care about the players who make up your "team." To be honest, I would rather be a good team that never makes it all the way, than a team like Miami, which did what it did to acquire James, Bosh, and Wade. And if the Knicks were to somehow end up with the 5 best players in their respective positions because of the kind of thing Miami did, I would not be rooting for them to win. I would rather see my team grow and emerge than do the kind of thing the Yankees have been known for over the years. It would be like going crazy for the NBA Olympic team's defeat of some minor nation where nobody players BB.
We have two players from the 2010-11 team (I'm not counting Felton since he was traded that year)who are now playing on the Knicks.
We have 0 players from the 2009-10 team now playing with the Knicks. In my eyes, this sucks, and makes the Knicks much less watchable, and any success we do have, much less enjoyable.
Exactly; the owner is actually the one and only constant with this team.
jrodmc wrote:Paladin55 wrote:jrodmc wrote:crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:crzymdups wrote:Anji wrote:Bookmarked
The Butt hurt right now is epic.LOL
I'll bookmark this for when people look back in two years as letting Lin as one of the worst decisions since trading Camby and Nene for Dyess.
Why did that trade happen? Oh yeah, because Dolan didn't like Camby. Now Lin hurt his feelings.
I'm sick of rooting for the whims of an alcoholic jazz guitarist.
Bah Bye
I hear there's a line for deranged dot.com billionaire chip team deconstructor genius wannabe groupies. Go to OKC, turn left (wistfully) and stop somewhere before you get the Rio Grande. Dirk's jersey will look really good on you. If that doesn't work out, you can wander around the state in a heat-induced (hey, there's another team you can possibly defect to) daze until you find an owner worthy of your rooting.
I love the pride you guys have for Dolan. It's sweet. Weird. But sweet.
The pride is for the team, not the owner. The owner, for the 15th bazillionth time, is not the team. If you want to root for an owner, like I said, Cuban's a fun guy. He's loud, brash, attends every game and ticks off the refs and the league.
Go have fun.
... And what exactly is a "team." The reason I prefer the NFL is that you have a core of players you can identify as your "team," and you can actually watch young players develop (or fail to develop). To some extend MLB is similar, although FA and the lack of a cap are a problem, IMO. I invest my time as a fan in watching the players who are the "team," and over the years the Knicks have given me fewer and fewer reasons to invest my time in following them because the ownership does not seem to want to give you an opportunity to watch young players grow and mature.The discontinuity of our roster over the years is maddening if you actually care about the players who make up your "team." To be honest, I would rather be a good team that never makes it all the way, than a team like Miami, which did what it did to acquire James, Bosh, and Wade. And if the Knicks were to somehow end up with the 5 best players in their respective positions because of the kind of thing Miami did, I would not be rooting for them to win. I would rather see my team grow and emerge than do the kind of thing the Yankees have been known for over the years. It would be like going crazy for the NBA Olympic team's defeat of some minor nation where nobody players BB.
We have two players from the 2010-11 team (I'm not counting Felton since he was traded that year)who are now playing on the Knicks.
We have 0 players from the 2009-10 team now playing with the Knicks. In my eyes, this sucks, and makes the Knicks much less watchable, and any success we do have, much less enjoyable.If this is your approach to being a team fanatic, then I would suggest, IMHO, that you invest your time watching minor league sports. Watch college basketball. In those places, you can get all the young player developing/flopping you want, almost completely unrestricted by the business that the NBA has become. Really great players leaving the shangri-la of development for dollars aside. Watch pitchers develop; I hear it sometimes takes a decade in the minors. Sounds like fun.
A "team" in this context, is a particular NBA franchise. For whatever reason, be it geography, genetics or just hating on siblings' choices of allegiance, some of us have been following said "team" since the '60's. Hell, hail or high water. There have been forgettable decades, forgettable players, coaches and GM's. There have been chips, playoffs, rivalries, drama, stupidity and boredom. Era's have come and gone. Frazier for Jim Cleamons made me wanna puke. Watching BK waste the rest of his career somewhere else did the same, as did trading Ewing away for garbage and trading Spree for nothing and letting IT run my team into a septic tank.
I don't think the question is what is "team". It's what exactly is a "fan"?
I started following the team right around the time that Frazier was drafted and for some reason my father, who never really played basketball, put a hoop put on our garage. I was a fan when they won their titles, the Hubie Brown era, the Riley era, JVG, etc.. I was also an ABA NY Nets fan, and enjoyed their 2 championships.
Interesting that the team which had the most players on it who started with the Knicks, and the most enjoyable ones for me, were the title teams. On the 69-70 team 3 players started on other teams. On the 72-3 team 9 players had never played for another franchise before they played for us. Different era and much less freedom for players, I know, but winning titles and competing for them with those players was much more special, IMO, than winning them with a team almost entirely made of imports.
I am no fanatic fan at this point in my life, and have no illusions about how the sport, from both ends- ownership and player- is sometimes more of a business than a sport in the most basic sense of the word, but I would prefer to root for a franchise that develops young players.
This team, as constituted, will give you some happy moments for a few years, and then the franchise has to start over, AGAIN. I hope you, and others, don't think this group is going to win a title- because it is not.
If you are happy with rooting for a patchwork team that is designed to give Anthony as much freedom to go 1/1, I feel good for you. I'll root for the team, but won't go out of my way to do so. The girlfriend will like it, though, since I won't be making decisions on whether or not I have to watch them play.
Paladin55 wrote:jrodmc wrote:Paladin55 wrote:jrodmc wrote:crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:crzymdups wrote:Anji wrote:Bookmarked
The Butt hurt right now is epic.LOL
I'll bookmark this for when people look back in two years as letting Lin as one of the worst decisions since trading Camby and Nene for Dyess.
Why did that trade happen? Oh yeah, because Dolan didn't like Camby. Now Lin hurt his feelings.
I'm sick of rooting for the whims of an alcoholic jazz guitarist.
Bah Bye
I hear there's a line for deranged dot.com billionaire chip team deconstructor genius wannabe groupies. Go to OKC, turn left (wistfully) and stop somewhere before you get the Rio Grande. Dirk's jersey will look really good on you. If that doesn't work out, you can wander around the state in a heat-induced (hey, there's another team you can possibly defect to) daze until you find an owner worthy of your rooting.
I love the pride you guys have for Dolan. It's sweet. Weird. But sweet.
The pride is for the team, not the owner. The owner, for the 15th bazillionth time, is not the team. If you want to root for an owner, like I said, Cuban's a fun guy. He's loud, brash, attends every game and ticks off the refs and the league.
Go have fun.
... And what exactly is a "team." The reason I prefer the NFL is that you have a core of players you can identify as your "team," and you can actually watch young players develop (or fail to develop). To some extend MLB is similar, although FA and the lack of a cap are a problem, IMO. I invest my time as a fan in watching the players who are the "team," and over the years the Knicks have given me fewer and fewer reasons to invest my time in following them because the ownership does not seem to want to give you an opportunity to watch young players grow and mature.The discontinuity of our roster over the years is maddening if you actually care about the players who make up your "team." To be honest, I would rather be a good team that never makes it all the way, than a team like Miami, which did what it did to acquire James, Bosh, and Wade. And if the Knicks were to somehow end up with the 5 best players in their respective positions because of the kind of thing Miami did, I would not be rooting for them to win. I would rather see my team grow and emerge than do the kind of thing the Yankees have been known for over the years. It would be like going crazy for the NBA Olympic team's defeat of some minor nation where nobody players BB.
We have two players from the 2010-11 team (I'm not counting Felton since he was traded that year)who are now playing on the Knicks.
We have 0 players from the 2009-10 team now playing with the Knicks. In my eyes, this sucks, and makes the Knicks much less watchable, and any success we do have, much less enjoyable.If this is your approach to being a team fanatic, then I would suggest, IMHO, that you invest your time watching minor league sports. Watch college basketball. In those places, you can get all the young player developing/flopping you want, almost completely unrestricted by the business that the NBA has become. Really great players leaving the shangri-la of development for dollars aside. Watch pitchers develop; I hear it sometimes takes a decade in the minors. Sounds like fun.
A "team" in this context, is a particular NBA franchise. For whatever reason, be it geography, genetics or just hating on siblings' choices of allegiance, some of us have been following said "team" since the '60's. Hell, hail or high water. There have been forgettable decades, forgettable players, coaches and GM's. There have been chips, playoffs, rivalries, drama, stupidity and boredom. Era's have come and gone. Frazier for Jim Cleamons made me wanna puke. Watching BK waste the rest of his career somewhere else did the same, as did trading Ewing away for garbage and trading Spree for nothing and letting IT run my team into a septic tank.
I don't think the question is what is "team". It's what exactly is a "fan"?
I started following the team right around the time that Frazier was drafted and for some reason my father, who never really played basketball, put a hoop put on our garage. I was a fan when they won their titles, the Hubie Brown era, the Riley era, JVG, etc.. I was also an ABA NY Nets fan, and enjoyed their 2 championships.Interesting that the team which had the most players on it who started with the Knicks, and the most enjoyable ones for me, were the title teams. On the 69-70 team 3 players started on other teams. On the 72-3 team 9 players had never played for another franchise before they played for us. Different era and much less freedom for players, I know, but winning titles and competing for them with those players was much more special, IMO, than winning them with a team almost entirely made of imports.
I am no fanatic fan at this point in my life, and have no illusions about how the sport, from both ends- ownership and player- is sometimes more of a business than a sport in the most basic sense of the word, but I would prefer to root for a franchise that develops young players.
This team, as constituted, will give you some happy moments for a few years, and then the franchise has to start over, AGAIN. I hope you, and others, don't think this group is going to win a title- because it is not.
If you are happy with rooting for a patchwork team that is designed to give Anthony as much freedom to go 1/1, I feel good for you. I'll root for the team, but won't go out of my way to do so. The girlfriend will like it, though, since I won't be making decisions on whether or not I have to watch them play.
So net/net,
1) you enjoy the team when it wins chips. Excellent.
2) you have no illusions about pro sports business in the 21st century but you like the idea of team building and player loyalty that only worked in an environment from about 40 years or so ago.
3) you are not happy or terribly interested in rooting for a team that is not constituted to your liking.
Let that sink in.
Move on, nothing to see here.