Knicks · Ruling by judge ultimately scrwd us (page 1)
Bottom line is we got a gift and Dolan took a dump on it. That kind of karma always comes back.
I don't think it was the ruling, but the pathetic CBA that makes your emotions boil when you remember the stupid lockout. If earlier reports are correct, the Rockets poison pill contract will still be an 8 million per year deal for them but for us we would've still gotten the 14.5 million cost in year three. If that is really how it plays out, then its a stupid clause in the CBA, along with many others. Im sure that if NY gets the same 8 mill balanced offer, they sign Lin even if only to keep an asset.
Regarding what Briggs said. We could have lost Novak - that saves us a few million. We wouldn't have been in the running for both Kidd and Camby, would we? That saves us a few more million. Anyone with a better memory and understanding of the decision care to elaborate?
But, my above statement stands. I don't think this was about money.
Like 1 Tweet Tweet 21 2Wednesday, July 18, 2012 Rockets broke "unspoken rule" among NBA teams in signing Jeremy Lin, Knicks held trade talks
The bad blood between the Knicks and Rockets concerning the Jeremy Lin situation has been well-chronicled, most notably in the cat-and-mouse game of when the offer sheet was exactly delivered to New York officials. Sports Illustrated does a good post moratorium of the events, and takes us into the behind-the-scenes issues involved. The Rockets had broken the generally accepted unofficial league rule in regards to changing contracts. Let's be clear, here. Houston officials operated in a legal way, but that does not make it ethical.
Sports Illustrated The root of the Knicks' frustrations with the Rockets, sources said, was the fact that they broke what is seen as an unspoken rule in negotiations by changing an informal offer during the moratorium that ran from July 1 to July 11. Houston initially offered Lin a three-year, $19.5 million deal, and those figures were widely reported after it was put forth.
The Knicks were still deliberating their decision in recent days, and there was no better sign of that fact than one of the team-to-team discussions they engaged in over the weekend. New York, according to sources, was considering matching the offer for Lin while also finding a handshake agreement with another team so that it could, if it so desired, deal him before the February trade deadline as part of a contingency plan.
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joec32033 wrote:The Rockets screwed us...http://www.iamagm.com/article/rockets-br...Like 1 Tweet Tweet 21 2Wednesday, July 18, 2012 Rockets broke "unspoken rule" among NBA teams in signing Jeremy Lin, Knicks held trade talks
The bad blood between the Knicks and Rockets concerning the Jeremy Lin situation has been well-chronicled, most notably in the cat-and-mouse game of when the offer sheet was exactly delivered to New York officials. Sports Illustrated does a good post moratorium of the events, and takes us into the behind-the-scenes issues involved. The Rockets had broken the generally accepted unofficial league rule in regards to changing contracts. Let's be clear, here. Houston officials operated in a legal way, but that does not make it ethical.
Sports Illustrated The root of the Knicks' frustrations with the Rockets, sources said, was the fact that they broke what is seen as an unspoken rule in negotiations by changing an informal offer during the moratorium that ran from July 1 to July 11. Houston initially offered Lin a three-year, $19.5 million deal, and those figures were widely reported after it was put forth.
The Knicks were still deliberating their decision in recent days, and there was no better sign of that fact than one of the team-to-team discussions they engaged in over the weekend. New York, according to sources, was considering matching the offer for Lin while also finding a handshake agreement with another team so that it could, if it so desired, deal him before the February trade deadline as part of a contingency plan.
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New details always come out after the dust settles. If this is true, the Knicks did try everything in their power to match and get something out of Lin, but couldn't get a deal. And to think many posters here defended Houston's actions. As it says, what they did was legal, but not ethical in the business of the NBA. Good riddance as I was tired of the lopsided deals we made with them.
Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
crzymdups wrote:Just because the Rockets acted unethically (which I absolutely agree, they did), didn't mean the Knicks had to respond like babies to spite... who, exactly? Who did the Knicks spite by responding that way? The fans? That's what it feels like.
no - the spited themselves- and we have to suffer with them.
Big deal. Houston renegotiated the deal with Lin. We all knew the deal he could get.
That first one they circulated was lame. Bad for Lin, compared to what he could get.
So, you match the deal, and then take 6 months to find someone who wants to trade Lin for you - not two days.
crzymdups wrote:Just because the Rockets acted unethically (which I absolutely agree, they did), didn't mean the Knicks had to respond like babies to spite... who, exactly? Who did the Knicks spite by responding that way? The fans? That's what it feels like.
Respond like babies? Because they wouldn't take the offer, while they were probably getting the Felton deal done? Or was it by not matching Lin, which according to this article they discussed and considered til the end but couldn't get the insurance trade proposal needed to take the hit on the big contract?
I know most still hate the Knicks for this situation and this time, contrary to the past, they may not be the only bad guys in the issue. They made their mistakes, true, but new details are coming to the surface that let you know they didn't see this from a personal standpoint and the other sides, namely Houston and Lin, have just as much responsibility in the mess as New York.
crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
Wow. Yeah. It does sound sincere.
His publicist is worth every penny.
BRIGGS wrote:Too bad it did not go for the NBA--par the course for Knick fans a positive turned into a negative.
Don't do this to yourself Briggs. It's done.
franco12 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Just because the Rockets acted unethically (which I absolutely agree, they did), didn't mean the Knicks had to respond like babies to spite... who, exactly? Who did the Knicks spite by responding that way? The fans? That's what it feels like.no - the spited themselves- and we have to suffer with them.
Big deal. Houston renegotiated the deal with Lin. We all knew the deal he could get.
That first one they circulated was lame. Bad for Lin, compared to what he could get.
So, you match the deal, and then take 6 months to find someone who wants to trade Lin for you - not two days.
i agree.
if they matched and decided it wasn't going to work because of melo's massive ego, you match and search for a trade at midseason.
the first five games woodson coach, knicks went 5-0 with amar'e, melo and lin and lin looked pretty damn good and the ball was moving and the knicks were blowing out quality teams (portland, indiana twice, philadelphia).
woodson seemed pretty excited about bringing lin back, too. so basically the owner spited his fan base and his head coach (and likely the GM who wanted to match Lin)... because... houston acted unethically. way to show'em who's boss, jimmy.
crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
I think that back loaded offer he signed speaks volumes in itself. If he really wanted to come back to the Knicks he would have signed and a more reasonable offer which would have made the Knicks decision easier.
To me this was a mutual parting. Lin wanted rockets and Knicks didn't want Lin.
joec32033 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
Wow. Yeah. It does sound sincere.
His publicist is worth every penny.
+1
Knicksfan wrote:crzymdups wrote:Just because the Rockets acted unethically (which I absolutely agree, they did), didn't mean the Knicks had to respond like babies to spite... who, exactly? Who did the Knicks spite by responding that way? The fans? That's what it feels like.Respond like babies? Because they wouldn't take the offer, while they were probably getting the Felton deal done? Or was it by not matching Lin, which according to this article they discussed and considered til the end but couldn't get the insurance trade proposal needed to take the hit on the big contract?
I know most still hate the Knicks for this situation and this time, contrary to the past, they may not be the only bad guys in the issue. They made their mistakes, true, but new details are coming to the surface that let you know they didn't see this from a personal standpoint and the other sides, namely Houston and Lin, have just as much responsibility in the mess as New York.
Here's a good point - if you weren't sold on Lin and knew you wanted Camby... before Lin technically signed with Houston, include Lin in the Camby deal as a sign and trade.
Get more assets.
Knicks COULD have done that before Lin signed the offer sheet. And Camby was a Knick before Lin signed the offer sheet.
Sooo. That's one way they could have not responded like babies.
crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
This has been beaten to death, but if you want to make sure you play the rest of your career with New York, you bring them the new offer Houston wants you to deal so you AT LEAST know if they are going to match.
I know, I know, you never turn down money, but lets not be simplistic analyzing that. Lin knows in NY he has a chance to make up in endorsements for the 5 million in difference. Lets say Houston wanted to screw the Knicks and get Lin by revamping the offer. What should Lin do? Go back to the Knicks, who at the moment believe the offer is the original three year deal. You make your agent go back to them and see if they will match the new one. Its simple.
So of course Lin will say he wanted to stay and in a way he is telling the truth, but by signing a new offer sheet without true knowledge if the Knicks will match, you are also saying "I want to play for the Houston Rockets."
joec32033 wrote:crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
Wow. Yeah. It does sound sincere.
His publicist is worth every penny.
That was from a phone interview with Lin. I guess his publicist was holding up flash cards.
Knicks, meanwhile feel so comfortable about the decision they don't have plans to talk about it. Yeah, because when you feel good about a decision you DONT want to talk about it.
Knicksfan wrote:crzymdups wrote:Vmart wrote:Look no GM or Owner wants to be held hostage by a fan favorite. Similar to John Elway with Tebow, Knicks couldn't wait to get Lin on the first flight out. Once Lin signed the back loaded offer Lin himself didn't want to comeback to NYK. Besides who wants the pressure of playing in NY. Lin didn't want the extraordinary pressure of NY so he left. His popularity will be high in China. It won't carry all that much now that he is not in NY.
"A year ago, I was just trying to stay alive and fight day by day, just to be on a roster," says Lin, who famously slept on couches upon his arrival in New York. "What I have now is way more than I ever would have dreamed of, and way more than I need."What he doesn't have, though -- and what he deeply misses about those magical two months, back when he was atop the sports world -- is something that can't be bought, and likely can't be replicated elsewhere, again.
"I love the New York fans to death," Lin says. "That's the biggest reason why I wanted to return to New York. The way they embraced me, the way they supported us this past season, was better than anything I've ever seen or experienced. I'll go to my grave saying that. What New York did for me was unbelievable. I wanted to play in front of those fans for the rest of my career."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/ba...
yeah, lin sounds like a real ungrateful jerk.
This has been beaten to death, but if you want to make sure you play the rest of your career with New York, you bring them the new offer Houston wants you to deal so you AT LEAST know if they are going to match.
I know, I know, you never turn down money, but lets not be simplistic analyzing that. Lin knows in NY he has a chance to make up in endorsements for the 5 million in difference. Lets say Houston wanted to screw the Knicks and get Lin by revamping the offer. What should Lin do? Go back to the Knicks, who at the moment believe the offer is the original three year deal. You make your agent go back to them and see if they will match the new one. Its simple.
So of course Lin will say he wanted to stay and in a way he is telling the truth, but by signing a new offer sheet without true knowledge if the Knicks will match, you are also saying "I want to play for the Houston Rockets."
If you read that article you will see that he had no contact with the Knicks at all. The offer sheet in front of him from Houston was the only one he had on hand. Was he just supposed to not sign a deal to play in the NBA next season?
Knicks completely botched this. Whether it's because Melo didn't want to share the ball or Dolan didn't like the contract... who knows? The Knicks aren't talking though.
Howard Beck @HowardBeckNYTKnicks still have no plans to publicly explain decision on Lin. Their prerogative, but lack of transparency hurts credibility w/fans.