Knicks · Salaries (Lin wanted TOO much!) (page 1)

Your 03-04 Knicks.

1 Allan Houston $15,937,500
2 Antonio McDyess $13,500,000
3 Keith Van Horn $13,279,750
4 Shandon Anderson$6,700,000
5 Charlie Ward $6,030,000
6 Howard Eisley $5,843,750

04-05

1 Allan Houston $17,531,250
2 Stephon Marbury $14,625,000
3 Anfernee Hardaway$14,625,000
4 Tim Thomas $12,900,000
5 Shandon Anderson$7,300,000

We were paying Anfernee Hardaway 15 million dollars, 8 YEARS AGO, to be nothing more than a throw in for a Marbury trade. We paid Shandon Anderson, 8 years ago, 7. 3 million dollars to do what? Didn't Isiah cut him so he got paid that to do nothing?

We had no problem trading Sprewell for Keith Van Horn. Who was making 13 million a year. Keith, when we traded for him, was averaging 16 pts and 7 rbds. And PS, Philadelphia was happy to get rid of him. Phoenix was happy to get rid of Marbury and Hardaway. And we paid them. Paid them to lose. Paid them to sit on the bench. Paid them to not care about NYC, it's fans, or the Knicks.

But no, Jeremy Lin was asking for too much money. Right.

No luxury tax. was there even a salary cap then??

Swishfm3 wrote:No luxury tax. was there even a salary cap then??

Are you sure there was no luxury tax? There has been a salary cap since 1984.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No luxury tax. was there even a salary cap then??

Are you sure there was no luxury tax? There has been a salary cap since 1984.

On further researching: The luxury tax has been around since at least 2001 and appears to have been the exact same formula (pay $1 for each $1 over the cap).

Why make a one-sided post that doesn't address the lux-tax difference between today and a decade ago?

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No luxury tax. was there even a salary cap then??

Are you sure there was no luxury tax? There has been a salary cap since 1984.

On further researching: The luxury tax has been around since at least 2001 and appears to have been the exact same formula (pay $1 for each $1 over the cap).

It's not $1 for $1 in today's CBA if you're a continuous repeat offender:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:No luxury tax. was there even a salary cap then??

Are you sure there was no luxury tax? There has been a salary cap since 1984.

On further researching: The luxury tax has been around since at least 2001 and appears to have been the exact same formula (pay $1 for each $1 over the cap).

It's not $1 for $1 in today's CBA if you're a continuous repeat offender:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

Ah thanks.

In 2005-6, the Knicks paid out $126M in salaries, paid around $45M in luxury tax, then paid Larry Brown $18M to walk away and never come back for a total of about $191M. They won 23 games.

Later that year or next, they paid Anucha $10M or so.

This was never about money.

New York Knicks Total: $126,610,272
Allan Houston ................ $19,125,000 [retired 10/17]
Stephon Marbury .............. $16,453,125
Anfernee Hardaway ............ $15,750,000
Antonio Davis ................ $13,925,000
Maurice Taylor ............... $9,100,000
Shandon Anderson ............. $7,900,000 [released 11/10/04]
Eddy Curry ................... $7,390,000
Quentin Richardson ........... $6,940,000
Jerome Williams .............. $6,620,063 [released 8/15]
Jamal Crawford ............... $6,480,000
Malik Rose ................... $6,008,750
Jerome James ................. $5,000,000
Channing Frye ................ $2,162,880
Nate Robinson ................ $1,102,680
David Lee .................... $861,360
Trevor Ariza ................. $682,051
Qyntel Woods ................. $599,834 [min, s 12/6, counts $579,008]
Jackie Butler ................ $398,762 [minimum]
Matt Barnes .................. $131,593 [minimum, released 12/3]

It didn't work then so the answer is over pay players now becuase it will work?

crzymdups wrote:In 2005-6, the Knicks paid out $126M in salaries, paid around $45M in luxury tax, then paid Larry Brown $18M to walk away and never come back for a total of about $191M. They won 23 games.

Later that year or next, they paid Anucha $10M or so.

This was never about money.

New York Knicks Total: $126,610,272
Allan Houston ................ $19,125,000 [retired 10/17]
Stephon Marbury .............. $16,453,125
Anfernee Hardaway ............ $15,750,000
Antonio Davis ................ $13,925,000
Maurice Taylor ............... $9,100,000
Shandon Anderson ............. $7,900,000 [released 11/10/04]
Eddy Curry ................... $7,390,000
Quentin Richardson ........... $6,940,000
Jerome Williams .............. $6,620,063 [released 8/15]
Jamal Crawford ............... $6,480,000
Malik Rose ................... $6,008,750
Jerome James ................. $5,000,000
Channing Frye ................ $2,162,880
Nate Robinson ................ $1,102,680
David Lee .................... $861,360
Trevor Ariza ................. $682,051
Qyntel Woods ................. $599,834 [min, s 12/6, counts $579,008]
Jackie Butler ................ $398,762 [minimum]
Matt Barnes .................. $131,593 [minimum, released 12/3]

+1
Am I understanding right that he also paid Jerome plus Shandon almost $15 mil to never even play a game for the team that year?

CashMoney wrote:It didn't work then so the answer is over pay players now becuase it will work?

$30 mil on Anucha plus Larry has nothing to do with overpaying players.

Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

+1

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

+1

Winning has a wonderful way of distracting from the issues that previously vexed. Patience is a virtue here. Some of us really liked Lin a lot, but there's no doubt that the team has improved in important ways this off season. I expect wins and some post-season success (barring major injuries).

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

Are you kidding? We still re-play the trade that brought Anthony here twice a week, if not more. If you don't let it go, we're gonna have a looong season

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:In 2005-6, the Knicks paid out $126M in salaries, paid around $45M in luxury tax, then paid Larry Brown $18M to walk away and never come back for a total of about $191M. They won 23 games.

Later that year or next, they paid Anucha $10M or so.

This was never about money.

New York Knicks Total: $126,610,272
Allan Houston ................ $19,125,000 [retired 10/17]
Stephon Marbury .............. $16,453,125
Anfernee Hardaway ............ $15,750,000
Antonio Davis ................ $13,925,000
Maurice Taylor ............... $9,100,000
Shandon Anderson ............. $7,900,000 [released 11/10/04]
Eddy Curry ................... $7,390,000
Quentin Richardson ........... $6,940,000
Jerome Williams .............. $6,620,063 [released 8/15]
Jamal Crawford ............... $6,480,000
Malik Rose ................... $6,008,750
Jerome James ................. $5,000,000
Channing Frye ................ $2,162,880
Nate Robinson ................ $1,102,680
David Lee .................... $861,360
Trevor Ariza ................. $682,051
Qyntel Woods ................. $599,834 [min, s 12/6, counts $579,008]
Jackie Butler ................ $398,762 [minimum]
Matt Barnes .................. $131,593 [minimum, released 12/3]

+1
Am I understanding right that he also paid Jerome plus Shandon almost $15 mil to never even play a game for the team that year?

yeah, I think if you count Jerome Williams, Jerome James, Shandon Anderson and Allan Houston, the Knicks paid $37M or so to players who never played that season.

CashMoney wrote:It didn't work then so the answer is over pay players now becuase it will work?

Thank you....I was waiting for somebody to say something that makes since.....Lin is not coming back, regardless if it was right or wrong. I think Dollan is sending a message to future free agents that you will no longer use the Knicks to drive up prices. I think Dolan knows that Lin really wanted to stay, but since he (or his agent) tried to drive up his value with that second offer sheet, Dolan said no.

Hey, I hated the Alan Houston signing....I hated not signing Lin.....But guess what, I moved on then...I'm moving on now.....Everybody should do the same!

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

I think no matter how well the team plays (and I do think we will have a GREAT team) the Lin thing will hang over our heads. A lot depends on how he plays in Houston. I think he clearly puts up better numbers there than he would here (due to no Melo, Stat, etc.) and it's going to be tough in that regard.

The thing that will go down as "The night NY Died, Part II", will be if we have one serious injury to Stat or Melo - Our season will be finished. Remember, Stat is coming off of two years of back injuries. We won't hear the end of it, and to be honest, I will be one of those pointing it out. But I am rooting for the team regardless. Still, Lin was an insurance policy and then some, that paid for itself mind you.

I just think the Lin thing was personal and not financial and that our best chance of winning a championship is to have 3 players of Stat, Melo and Lins caliber. Now we have two, if one goes down, we have one. Miami has three of those players, one in Lebron that almost is like having two great players. And they are a great defensive team, it will be interesting to see how we play against them now in a 7 game series. We just don't have the speed from the PG position - both defending and scoring the ball. And we don't really have anyone outside of Melo that is up there (and consistent - JR can do it here and there.) We are also an older team now.

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

Well, maybe we have the strongest collection of players we've had in more than a decade - they've yet to become a team. That can't really happen until the season starts, and it's one area where past Knick "teams" have fallen short. If they can come together and play with heart, then hardcore basketball fans will calm down about the Lin thing. Casual fans who were attracted by the fairy tale Lin story and sex appeal probably will not be interested in 90's style Knick basketball - unless, maybe they make it to the finals.

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Im starting to wonder if this Lin situation will take the fun and excitement out of what seems to be a promising 2012-2013 season. I know its still a recent issue and some fans are mad, but do we really have to keep dissecting every single aspect of the Lin decision? People have pretty much stated where they stand on this and its probable that those who hate management for the decision will still hate them and those who defend the decision will still do it.

I really hope next season isn't overshadowed by this because we might have the strongest Knicks team we've had in more than a decade.

I think no matter how well the team plays (and I do think we will have a GREAT team) the Lin thing will hang over our heads. A lot depends on how he plays in Houston. I think he clearly puts up better numbers there than he would here (due to no Melo, Stat, etc.) and it's going to be tough in that regard.

The thing that will go down as "The night NY Died, Part II", will be if we have one serious injury to Stat or Melo - Our season will be finished. Remember, Stat is coming off of two years of back injuries. We won't hear the end of it, and to be honest, I will be one of those pointing it out. But I am rooting for the team regardless. Still, Lin was an insurance policy and then some, that paid for itself mind you.

I just think the Lin thing was personal and not financial and that our best chance of winning a championship is to have 3 players of Stat, Melo and Lins caliber. Now we have two, if one goes down, we have one. Miami has three of those players, one in Lebron that almost is like have two great players. And they are a great defensive team, it will be interesting to see how we play against them now in a 7 game series. We just don't have the speed from the PG position - both defending and scoring the ball. And we don't really have anyone outside of Melo that is up there (and consistent - JR can do it here and there.)

I think Lin will always put up better numbers....You usually do that each year, if you work on your craft as a young NBA player. What does that have to do with winning a championship right now? Stats means nothing without a ring. Lin's best chance of winning a ring was with NY. And that would've been from the bench, cheering on Kidd (with a 25 million dollar chant) in the 4th quarter. But that boat has sailed off now and he's not thinking about winning a championship for us NY fans....He's thinking about himself, going from sleeping on the couch to buying a large brick home, with his NEW MONEY HUNGRY agent and that 25 million dollar pay raise and huge playing time so he can continue to fill up his stats and tear his other knee.

He even said it himself...Linsanity started to get to his head. He had different priorities with his own personal career branding, holding hands with Tebow, spreading love and happiness (James Brown). We need players focused on winning a championship, not individual accolades. Lebron and company took a pay cut to win a championship, not to increase their branding....

What happened the last time Lin played heavy minutes under Dantoni? Beware of Linsanity's health, and stability, playing 40 minutes a game, with a target on your back, and old knick fans waiting and media waiting for him to fail.... He's no longer a sleeper or that Lin guy that almost got cut. He's paid like an NBA starter. Solid players will destroy Lin, similar to what Deron Williams did. Average to below average players will use Lin to prove that they belong in the NBA, even at half the price of Lin's contract. He will get muscled in the post and abused on those hard drives in the paint. Unless people are saying hes the next Alan Iverson (which I hope not)....He's not built for the slashing game, against NBA bigs all season, playing 40 minutes a game on a team with no talent.

I can't wait til mid season. I'm just going to sit back and watch all these Lin lovers reverse everything they are saying right now. Lin doesn't have super human powers people. This is not some super hero movie. He's a decent combo guard / tweener (not even a pg) with a great skill at getting to the basket. Other than that, he's just a great story, and a great person. I really don't understand all the hype. And maybe because I've played with and against guards all the time with talent similar and better than Lin. Melo is the same way....If we missed on adding Melo, most people would be all over Dolan, just like the Lin issue, including me. Once you become a knick, you are family in my eyes. Everybody else are enemies! If you're a real Knick fan, you understand.

Wow so it's still not understood that the Lin thing wasn't a money/Knicks/Basketball decision? Why constantly cry and harp on this? Dolan was obviously sending a message, either to Lin because Dolans ego was hurt or even possibly to the league to illustrate how the new rules hinder a team from keeping their own players. Yea I know I'm giving Dolan too much credit. In any case...wtf?