I know some here crave young draft picks.
Crazy how many lottery picks never amount to much. Wesley Johnson was just traded in a salary dump deal for 2nd rounders.
This guy was the 4th pick in the 2010 draft. SMH.
youth is wasted on the young
It doesn't pay to draft your core,most of the time its a fail. But the few times that it does work out , the whole future of the team can be changed with one player. Unless you are a crappy organization then it doesn't even matter.
ramtour420 wrote:It doesn't pay to draft your core,most of the time its a fail. But the few times that it does work out , the whole future of the team can be changed with one player. Unless you are a crappy organization then it doesn't even matter.
I think that is misguided. Take the top 3 players on each of the final four NBA teams this year. 9 of the 12 players were drafted by their teams. My guess is that's similar to the percentage for any given year.
I think folks just like the thought of drafting a talented player and watching him grow with your team.
but I agree...I personally would trade "potential" for proven talent every time.
with that said, that 2010 Draft Class is looking like a big time bust.
Everyone hopes they draft a superstar but they are rare.
Bonn1997 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:It doesn't pay to draft your core,most of the time its a fail. But the few times that it does work out , the whole future of the team can be changed with one player. Unless you are a crappy organization then it doesn't even matter.
I think that is misguided. Take the top 3 players on each of the final four NBA teams this year. 9 of the 12 players were drafted by their teams. My guess is that's similar to the percentage for any given year.
Yeah but the the team that won it all doesn't get another ring without FA's Bosh, Lebron, Miller and Battier.
Everyone gets fixated on the OKC Thunder and think building thru the draft is the way to go. Why are teams so focused on that? Had the Thunder had the 1st pick instead of the 2nd and picked Oden, they would not be what they are today. What's another team that successfully built thru the draft, the Spurs? They won the Tim Duncan lottery and found a could of late round gems. Why do teams keep trying to do it? Because they don't have any other option. How is building thru the draft working for Charlotte, Washington, Toronto, Sacramento, Golden State, Detroit, etc?
Knixkik wrote:Everyone gets fixated on the OKC Thunder and think building thru the draft is the way to go. Why are teams so focused on that? Had the Thunder had the 1st pick instead of the 2nd and picked Oden, they would not be what they are today. What's another team that successfully built thru the draft, the Spurs? They won the Tim Duncan lottery and found a could of late round gems. Why do teams keep trying to do it? Because they don't have any other option. How is building thru the draft working for Charlotte, Washington, Toronto, Sacramento, Golden State, Detroit, etc?
+1
CashMoney wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:It doesn't pay to draft your core,most of the time its a fail. But the few times that it does work out , the whole future of the team can be changed with one player. Unless you are a crappy organization then it doesn't even matter.I think that is misguided. Take the top 3 players on each of the final four NBA teams this year. 9 of the 12 players were drafted by their teams. My guess is that's similar to the percentage for any given year.
Yeah but the the team that won it all doesn't get another ring without FA's Bosh, Lebron, Miller and Battier.
Of course you have to sign some FAs! The real question is should you completely ignore the draft like Dolan does. You can trace all those signings to the drafting of Wade anyway. If some other team had drafted Wade and he had a nice career there, it's highly unlikely that he, Lebron, and Bosh still pick Miami to team up in.
This thread would never be on the Spurs or OKC board...Smh
ShellTopAdidas wrote:This thread would never be on the Spurs or OKC board...Smh
Or Lakers or any well-run organization.
The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.
If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
teams that draft well have an insane advantage. for example, Derrick Rose winning an MVP on a rookie contract is great value
I'd also like to add when you have a man crush on the Michael Beasleys of the world, you get disappointed
VCoug wrote:The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
We don't keep any draft pics.around long enough to see if they'd ever amount to anything.
Bonn1997 wrote:CashMoney wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:It doesn't pay to draft your core,most of the time its a fail. But the few times that it does work out , the whole future of the team can be changed with one player. Unless you are a crappy organization then it doesn't even matter.I think that is misguided. Take the top 3 players on each of the final four NBA teams this year. 9 of the 12 players were drafted by their teams. My guess is that's similar to the percentage for any given year.
Yeah but the the team that won it all doesn't get another ring without FA's Bosh, Lebron, Miller and Battier.
Of course you have to sign some FAs! The real question is should you completely ignore the draft like Dolan does. You can trace all those signings to the drafting of Wade anyway. If some other team had drafted Wade and he had a nice career there, it's highly unlikely that he, Lebron, and Bosh still pick Miami to team up in.
True but there is no perfect way to build a team. Sometime you get lucky and are able to draft a superstar in the draft. You're even luckier if your able to retain that talent and continue to draft stars and keep them like the Spurs and OKC. Often times it's a mix of drafting role players and trading for or getting star via free agency.
Dwayne Wade, and riding the pine Dexter Pittman were the only players drafted by the Heat.
2011 NBA Champion Dallas Mavs traded for Dirk on draft day but name one other contributing player that was drafted by the Mavs and remained there.
I don't think Dolan ignores the draft, I think we just suck at making picks. We can go back 27 years to 1985 when we lucked out with Ewing. Ommitting Ewing we drafted a grand total of 2 players (Jackson/Lee)that played in a grand total of 2 all star games.
ShellTopAdidas wrote:VCoug wrote:The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
We don't keep any draft pics.around long enough to see if they'd ever amount to anything.
We've drafted 2 all star playes in the last 26 years.
CashMoney wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:VCoug wrote:The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
We don't keep any draft pics.around long enough to see if they'd ever amount to anything.
We've drafted 2 all star playes in the last 26 years.
You can't draft all-stars when you don't draft players.
I think you can count on zero hands the number of teams in my lifetime that won championships without the draft playing a critical role.
Bonn1997 wrote:CashMoney wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:VCoug wrote:The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
We don't keep any draft pics.around long enough to see if they'd ever amount to anything.
We've drafted 2 all star playes in the last 26 years.
You can't draft all-stars when you don't draft players.
I think you can count on zero hands the number of teams in my lifetime that won championships without the draft playing a critical role.
I hate to bring them up because that was such a weird season and Finals, but the 2004 Detroit Pistons were built almost exclusively through free agency and trades. Offhand, I can only think of two players that were drafted onto that team: Tayshaun Prince and Darko.
Bonn1997 wrote:CashMoney wrote:ShellTopAdidas wrote:VCoug wrote:The thing about the draft vs free agency vs trades is that the draft is usually the only way to get a player you can build a championship-caliber team around. What happened two years ago, with all the talent that switched teams, is really unusual. Usually, players of that caliber only switch teams at the end of their careers, like Kevin Garnett, or when a player demands a trade, which doesn't happen as often as some people think. Also, by trading for a player you're giving up assets that will take time to replace, using up valuable years of a veteran player's career.If you look at most of the championship teams over the last 30 years, usually, most of their best players were drafted by that team: the Lakers' Magic, Worthy, Kobe, and Bynum; the Celtics' Bird, McHale, Pierce and Rondo; the Isiah/Dumars Pistons; the Jordan/Pippen/Grant Bulls; Olajuwon's Rockets; the Duncan/Robinson/Manu/Parker Spurs; Wade's Heat; and Nowitzki's Mavs. There's no surefire way to build a championship team, and the draft is always a crapshoot, but it's usually the only way to get one of these players.
We don't keep any draft pics.around long enough to see if they'd ever amount to anything.
We've drafted 2 all star playes in the last 26 years.
You can't draft all-stars when you don't draft players.
I think you can count on zero hands the number of teams in my lifetime that won championships without the draft playing a critical role.
We've drafted plenty of players. They just happen to suck more often than not.
The draft always plays a critical role. You either are able to draft a super star or use those players that you drafted as trade pieces to get other players. Sometime a few drafted players are good role players for the team. Other times those players are good role players for other teams.
