Not sure if I missed this, but can someone explain to me why, if Houston wanted Lin so badly, the Knicks didn't match the offer and trade him to them in exchange for something, even some picks? Why is it every time we sign a free agent we need to give something up to do it, but couldn't get anything in return for such a hot commodity as Lin?
Knicks could not offer more than Houston. Therefore Houston and Lin had zero incentive to make a deal with the Knicks.
houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.
don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
Yeah and they did want him really badly. I did a search for something Lin related and the clutch city fan forum came up. There was a thread from when Lin first got injured and guys were talking about signing him anyway. There also has been a lot of talk about the Asian fan base they have from yao's tenure.
Panos wrote:Not sure if I missed this, but can someone explain to me why, if Houston wanted Lin so badly, the Knicks didn't match the offer and trade him to them in exchange for something, even some picks? Why is it every time we sign a free agent we need to give something up to do it, but couldn't get anything in return for such a hot commodity as Lin?
Under the new CBA a team cannot match an offer sheet to a RFA and then trade him.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88
VCoug wrote:Panos wrote:Not sure if I missed this, but can someone explain to me why, if Houston wanted Lin so badly, the Knicks didn't match the offer and trade him to them in exchange for something, even some picks? Why is it every time we sign a free agent we need to give something up to do it, but couldn't get anything in return for such a hot commodity as Lin?
Under the new CBA a team cannot match an offer sheet to a RFA and then trade him.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88
not in the first year
Reason is because it was personal, not business
VCoug wrote:Panos wrote:Not sure if I missed this, but can someone explain to me why, if Houston wanted Lin so badly, the Knicks didn't match the offer and trade him to them in exchange for something, even some picks? Why is it every time we sign a free agent we need to give something up to do it, but couldn't get anything in return for such a hot commodity as Lin?
Under the new CBA a team cannot match an offer sheet to a RFA and then trade him.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88
Ah-ha. Thanks VCoug.
Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one
knicks1248 wrote:Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one
Its the restrictions and extremely heavy fines put in place for year 3 of the new cba. The Knicks were in a bind. If they signed Lin, kept him for 2 years and then traded him they would have to take back equal salary so they would not be able to avoid the penalties and restrictions that came with his 14 million dollar 3rd year. The only way for them to have softened that was to use that stretch provision, waived Lin in year 3 and stretched out the payment of that third year for cap purposes. I don't think there were any feel good scenarios for the Knicks when they were put in that situation by Houston and the new cba.
but that's what we do here
No, the Little man is growing up!
knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business
More specifically, Jimmy Dolan is a 60 year old emo.
knicks1248 wrote:Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one
Rondo makes 11 mil this year and 13 mil in 2 years and thats just one example Lin is not worth that money he ceiling is not that high
knicks1248 wrote:Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one
Well put. Plus, as long as Lin is healthy, he'd have been a great bargain for the first two years of the deal. Year 3 he'd have a large expiring contract.
A large expiring contract to trade for what? A player who's making 14 mil plus who probably has a bad contract a team is willing to dump on the Knicks, the Isiah era is over that day is dead.
Bonn1997 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Mray20 wrote:Caseloads wrote:houston didn't want him that badly and will likely trade him for something.don't know why we didn't match him and trade him to a team under the cap other than knicks called around and no one wanted him.
That contract would have been untradeable because of that 3rd year at 14 mil everyone knows he's not worth that and the Knicks already have an untradeable contract with Amare they didn't want another one
how do you know what someones worth 3 years from now..I'm still scratching my head on that one
Well put. Plus, as long as Lin is healthy, he'd have been a great bargain for the first two years of the deal. Year 3 he'd have a large expiring contract.
That's IF, his body can stand the rigors of a full NBA season.....
JamesLin wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Reason is because it was personal, not business
More specifically, Jimmy Dolan is a 60 year old emo.
more specifically, he hasn't earned Rondo money
Mray20 wrote:A large expiring contract to trade for what? A player who's making 14 mil plus who probably has a bad contract a team is willing to dump on the Knicks, the Isiah era is over that day is dead.
Exactly. Also the Knicks would have to take back 14 mil for that year in a trade because the cba is so restrictive for teams over the cap. The only way the Knicks could soften that year3 penalties created by lin's contract would have been to waive him and use the stretch provision.
It think it's important to look at the money the Knicks gave out this year.
Jason Kidd was medicore last year. We gave him a 3 year deal (3MM)in the last year, Camby the same for (3MM) Novak was barely a rotation player until last year he got 4 years at (4MM) per. Chances are Camby and Kidd are going to be non factors in year 3 of their deals which is where Lin's additional 6MM and the smear campaign took place.
