Knicks · Alright another Rankings from ESPN! (page 1)

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A winning team with likable players, a supportive owner, a great game experience and cheap tickets -- is that too much to ask? Not if you're rooting for the Oklahoma City Thunder, who top our 10th annual ranking of pro franchises.

The eight major categories that make up the Ultimate Standings were created based on feedback from fans about what they want most from their favorite teams (click here for a more detailed account of the method to our madness.) The categories:

Bang For The Buck (BNG): Wins during the past three years (regular season plus postseason) per revenues directly from fans, adjusted for league schedules.

Fan Relations (FRL): Openness and consideration toward fans by players, coaches and management.

Ownership (OWN): Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community.

Affordability (AFF): Price of tickets, parking and concessions.

Stadium Experience (STX): Quality of arena and game-day promotions as well as friendliness of environment.

Players (PLA): Effort on the field and likability off it.

Coaching (CCH): Strength of on-field leadership.

Title Track (TTR): Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans.

Below you will find a sortable table of this year's Ultimate Standings as well as previous results going back to 2003. Subcategories that make up the overall ranking for that category are available for the 2009-12 results.

Financial analysis by the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon (Matthew Maxson with Ameer Abdelaaty, Mike DeMartini, Jenny Swaim, Gary Wang, Jay Young and Bill Zachry). Fan surveys by Maddock Douglas and NetReflector.

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1 Oklahoma City Thunder
2 Green Bay Packers
3 San Antonio Spurs
4 Indiana Pacers
5 Memphis Grizzlies
6 Phoenix Coyotes
7 Tampa Bay Lightning
8 New Orleans Saints
9 Texas Rangers
10 Arizona Diamondbacks
11 Baltimore Ravens
12 Pittsburgh Steelers
13 New Jersey Devils
14 Nashville Predators
15 Los Angeles Angels
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16 Tampa Bay Rays
17 St. Louis Blues
18 Houston Texans
19 Pittsburgh Penguins
20 Boston Celtics
21 Philadelphia 76ers
22 New England Patriots
23 Cincinnati Reds
24 Chicago Bulls
25 St. Louis Cardinals
26 Dallas Mavericks
27 Atlanta Braves
28 Carolina Hurricanes
29 Milwaukee Brewers
30 Detroit Red Wings
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31 Miami Heat
32 Los Angeles Kings
33 Florida Panthers
34 Washington Nationals
35 Utah Jazz
36 San Francisco 49ers
37 Anaheim Ducks
38 Denver Broncos
39 Denver Nuggets
40 Carolina Panthers
41 Atlanta Falcons
42 Ottawa Senators
43 Arizona Cardinals
44 Seattle Seahawks
45 New Orleans Hornets
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46 San Francisco Giants
47 Dallas Stars
48 New York Giants
49 Philadelphia Phillies
50 Cleveland Cavaliers
51 Houston Rockets
52 Detroit Tigers
53 Los Angeles Clippers
54 Pittsburgh Pirates
55 Philadelphia Flyers
56 Detroit Lions
57 Indianapolis Colts
58 Boston Bruins
59 Buffalo Bills
60 Buffalo Sabres
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61 Los Angeles Dodgers
62 Kansas City Chiefs
63 New York Rangers
64 Baltimore Orioles
65 Jacksonville Jaguars
66 Cleveland Indians
67 Miami Marlins
68 Washington Capitals
69 Chicago White Sox
70 San Jose Sharks
71 Minnesota Timberwolves
72 Tennessee Titans
73 Philadelphia Eagles
74 Chicago Blackhawks
75 Kansas City Royals
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76 Chicago Bears
77 Orlando Magic
78 Colorado Avalanche
79 Toronto Blue Jays
80 Detroit Pistons
81 Portland Trail Blazers
82 New York Yankees
83 Minnesota Twins
84 Phoenix Suns
85 Colorado Rockies
86 Dallas Cowboys
87 Minnesota Wild
88 Brooklyn Nets
89 Los Angeles Lakers
90 Houston Astros
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91 Winnipeg Jets
92 Vancouver Canucks
93 New York Mets
94 Atlanta Hawks
95 San Diego Chargers
96 Oakland Raiders
97 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
98 Oakland Athletics
99 Seattle Mariners
100 Minnesota Vikings
101 Golden State Warriors
102 Cincinnati Bengals
103 Toronto Raptors
104 Milwaukee Bucks
105 New York Jets
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106 Calgary Flames
107 Cleveland Browns
108 Washington Redskins
109 San Diego Padres
110 Miami Dolphins
111 Montreal Canadiens
112 Chicago Cubs
113 New York Knicks
114 Edmonton Oilers
115 St. Louis Rams
116 Columbus Blue Jackets
117 Boston Red Sox
118 Washington Wizards
119 New York Islanders
120 Charlotte Bobcats
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121 Sacramento Kings
122 Toronto Maple Leafs

DAMIT! Oh so close to the bottom spot!

I still don't get why some are so shocked and appalled when New England-based ESPN constantly buries New York teams.

Anyhow, here's their explanation - whether you view as fair or not is up to you.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=UltimateStandingsKnicks2012"]LINK[/url]

No. 113: New York Knicks

Last year's rank: 109
Title track: 97
Ownership: 98
Coaching: 83
Players: 105
Fan relations: 108
Affordability: 118
Stadium experience: 45
Bang for the buck: 112

You want us to talk about Linsanity? The renewed Garden buzz, the back-to-back Sports Illustrated covers, the hot-cakes jersey sales (second to Chicago's Derrick Rose), the tales of rising (and falling) MSG market capitalization? Well, our rankings reflect the flip side, the Linless New York Knicks: overpriced, underperforming, generally unappealing (see the 24-spot dip in the players category and 22-spot dive in fan relations). With the Nets heading to Brooklyn this season, there will be that much more pressure on the Knicks to meet expectations, though it's hard to say exactly what those expectations should be these days. When your team leads the league in average ticket price ($117.47, nearly $20 more than the No. 2 Lakers charge) and beer price ($9.50 for 22 ounces, twice as much as the league's cheapest brewski in Denver), folks tend to get restless sooner rather than later. Knicks fans are resigned to hoping that Carmelo Anthony can use his Olympic performance to reignite his career. Because with an aging Amare Stoudemire and a shaky Raymond Felton, at this point they're going to need Melo to do his share of team carrying, hero ball or not.

K22 wrote:I still don't get why some are so shocked and appalled when New England-based ESPN constantly buries New York teams.

Anyhow, here's their explanation - whether you view as fair or not is up to you.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=UltimateStandingsKnicks2012"]LINK[/url]

No. 113: New York Knicks

Last year's rank: 109
Title track: 97
Ownership: 98
Coaching: 83
Players: 105
Fan relations: 108
Affordability: 118
Stadium experience: 45
Bang for the buck: 112

You want us to talk about Linsanity? The renewed Garden buzz, the back-to-back Sports Illustrated covers, the hot-cakes jersey sales (second to Chicago's Derrick Rose), the tales of rising (and falling) MSG market capitalization? Well, our rankings reflect the flip side, the Linless New York Knicks: overpriced, underperforming, generally unappealing (see the 24-spot dip in the players category and 22-spot dive in fan relations). With the Nets heading to Brooklyn this season, there will be that much more pressure on the Knicks to meet expectations, though it's hard to say exactly what those expectations should be these days. When your team leads the league in average ticket price ($117.47, nearly $20 more than the No. 2 Lakers charge) and beer price ($9.50 for 22 ounces, twice as much as the league's cheapest brewski in Denver), folks tend to get restless sooner rather than later. Knicks fans are resigned to hoping that Carmelo Anthony can use his Olympic performance to reignite his career. Because with an aging Amare Stoudemire and a shaky Raymond Felton, at this point they're going to need Melo to do his share of team carrying, hero ball or not.

It's absolutely fair. Everything from the tickets to the drinks are ridiculously overpriced. Also, before Linsanity last season no one wanted to go to a game; I had tickets to games I couldn't go to and could barely give them away because we were so bad and boring.

Super bowl champs are 48? Nice

Still higher than the Red Sox. Stats have to be a little biased to the extent that it allows "expected championships" to be calculated in the same line item as actual championships won, particularly those won within the last decade.

Looks a bit high to me... should be The worst team in pro sport but Arena is good and Linsanity helped a bit.
And deservigly so. Dolan should get what he deserves. And fans to - for supporting this calamity.

arkrud wrote:Looks a bit high to me... should be The worst team in pro sport but Arena is good and Linsanity helped a bit.
And deservigly so. Dolan should get what he deserves. And fans to - for supporting this calamity.

+100000000000000000000000

K22 wrote:I still don't get why some are so shocked and appalled when New England-based ESPN constantly buries New York teams.

Anyhow, here's their explanation - whether you view as fair or not is up to you.

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=UltimateStandingsKnicks2012"]LINK[/url]

No. 113: New York Knicks

Last year's rank: 109
Title track: 97
Ownership: 98
Coaching: 83
Players: 105
Fan relations: 108
Affordability: 118
Stadium experience: 45
Bang for the buck: 112

You want us to talk about Linsanity? The renewed Garden buzz, the back-to-back Sports Illustrated covers, the hot-cakes jersey sales (second to Chicago's Derrick Rose), the tales of rising (and falling) MSG market capitalization? Well, our rankings reflect the flip side, the Linless New York Knicks: overpriced, underperforming, generally unappealing (see the 24-spot dip in the players category and 22-spot dive in fan relations). With the Nets heading to Brooklyn this season, there will be that much more pressure on the Knicks to meet expectations, though it's hard to say exactly what those expectations should be these days. When your team leads the league in average ticket price ($117.47, nearly $20 more than the No. 2 Lakers charge) and beer price ($9.50 for 22 ounces, twice as much as the league's cheapest brewski in Denver), folks tend to get restless sooner rather than later. Knicks fans are resigned to hoping that Carmelo Anthony can use his Olympic performance to reignite his career. Because with an aging Amare Stoudemire and a shaky Raymond Felton, at this point they're going to need Melo to do his share of team carrying, hero ball or not.

How can ESPN simultaneously be the biased New England Station and put the Red Sox at 117?

I didn't say they loved Boston teams. I said they don't look at New York teams in very high regard - no matter how well they perform.

K22 wrote:I didn't say they loved Boston teams. I said they don't look at New York teams in very high regard - no matter how well they perform.

And New England teams even more harshly apparently

K22 wrote:I didn't say they loved Boston teams. I said they don't look at New York teams in very high regard - no matter how well they perform.

they don't look at their own very well either apparently.

Bonn1997 wrote:And New England teams even more harshly apparently.

knickscity wrote:they don't look at their own very well either apparently.

Well the C's and Pats are #20 and #22 respectively in that list.