Nalod wrote:Where is Scola? Dude would be a good back up for us. Too young still??
Scola is like 32yrs old or something like that. Probably 5-6yrs too young to keep pace with our recent front court.
He's in Phx making Chris Smith Numbers more than Camby which is a DISGRACE!
jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:Nalod wrote:
Lakers traded Divac for rookie Kobe. Trade a guy at the apex of his value for an asset to develope.
No guarantee but when it pans out its huge! Knicks don't take the right type of gamble.
Paid too much for Marbury and he was a disaster.
Dice trade was awful but at least you had a guy healthy for a brief shining moment (preseason). Price was too high.
We could have kept Camby and drafted Amare!
Melo for two no. 1 picks and 4 starters. Yes, melo is abonafide star but was the cost worth it? I agree with walsh and don't like the deal.
Im hoping I am wrong.
Draft picks were going to be low anyways. 4 starters? Chandler and Mozgov were only spot starters. Gallinari and Chandler were due for pay days and are now making combined what Melo makes. We lost Felton, but got back Billups to replace him. It was this move that freed up enough room to get Tyson Chandler. Then we didn't have to overpay Gallo and W Chandler. Then we got back Felton anyway, who at the time was the best player we lost in the deal. Seems like we didn't really give up that much, and what we did give up, we got a lot of it back.
Cmon, Uncle Nalod.
When will this line of reasoning ever end? Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov. These people are not starters anywhere except China and/or at the Olympics. Two low #1 picks, who, based on your other threads about how
the Knicks don't take the right type of gamble
, weren't going to turn into anything. John Wallace, Dontae Jones, Walter McCarty anyone?Please tell me a story about how Melo's not worth that 3 million that was doled out. It sounds better.
Its my opinion, I think we over spent and did so on one asset that is not quite complimentry to our other assets.
The proof is on the court.
Its abstract now in hindsight. ITs interesting what Denver is doing and Nets who were the other player in bidding for Melo's services. Does not mean Deron falls in our lap either.
Melo is a star. YOu should be happy?
3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:3G4G wrote:IrishKnickFan wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Nalod wrote:Knixkik wrote:Nalod wrote:
Lakers traded Divac for rookie Kobe. Trade a guy at the apex of his value for an asset to develope.
No guarantee but when it pans out its huge! Knicks don't take the right type of gamble.
Paid too much for Marbury and he was a disaster.
Dice trade was awful but at least you had a guy healthy for a brief shining moment (preseason). Price was too high.
We could have kept Camby and drafted Amare!
Melo for two no. 1 picks and 4 starters. Yes, melo is abonafide star but was the cost worth it? I agree with walsh and don't like the deal.
Im hoping I am wrong.
Draft picks were going to be low anyways. 4 starters? Chandler and Mozgov were only spot starters. Gallinari and Chandler were due for pay days and are now making combined what Melo makes. We lost Felton, but got back Billups to replace him. It was this move that freed up enough room to get Tyson Chandler. Then we didn't have to overpay Gallo and W Chandler. Then we got back Felton anyway, who at the time was the best player we lost in the deal. Seems like we didn't really give up that much, and what we did give up, we got a lot of it back.
Did we? Too many pages written on this subject but I have said before that team was not written in stone and there are other moves that could have been made. CP3 shook loose, Deron shook loose and Dwight. Im not going to go over every possibilty but I think things could have been done with a broader base of talent.
LOok at the N*ts, now im not saying Joe Johnson is a better player than Melo, and Johnsons contract is crazy but the guy is just 30 years old and he was had for basically nothing but N*ts cap space. Married next to Deron, i'd say Nets got Deron/Johnson for less than Melo. Granted, its two max contracts. Perhaps we can look at Melo/Amare in the same light as Amare came as a free agent but, if Amare is in steep decline or cannot exist effectively with Melo (the chemistry thing) then its not money/assets well spent.
Its been near 100 games since Melo has been here and I don't think we have seen evidence of the chemistry as we had hoped.
Bottom line is Nets have not played a game yet so we don't know how it turns out. Im just saying there are lots of things that can be done with assets then one big old starphuck. I think smaller moves can add up.
Our front court was suppose to be one of the best in the NBA. On paper it looked great but the combonation of our three does not add up. I hope I am wrong but if we continue this way then gave up too much didn't we?
I was thinking about that and how lucky we got getting Tyson with the amnesty. Otherwise it would be Melo and a gimpy Amare and not much else. Nets were able to keep Lopez and hump and sign deron, johnson, wallace & blatche!
No. We would/should have amnestied Amare this past summer or next summer and gotten a real star. Howard, CP3, DWil ...
And, we would have had money to sign a second guy in the 10-15 million range. Now Tyson is essentially costing us more than 30 million in cap space being that he is piggybacking amare.
This is not a knock on Tyson. He is worth what he got even though no other teams made him an offer other than Golden State.
Very good point man . I love tyson but i agree we should have amnestied Amare. His contract along with his injuries are killing us
Or even kept Billups and let his contract expire using the cap room to sign players like
Courtney Lee/Mayo/Lou Williams/Blatche/Nick Young/Asik/Scola/Terry/Roy/Kaman/Beasley/Dragic/Dorrell Wright..... etc etc
I hate making moves that restrict or eliminate all of our flexibility
Yes. If we kept Billups, we could have let him expire and signed a myriad of players. We could have then decided if Amare should be amnestied. DRIVERS SEAT.
You can as TKF where I stood on the Chandler signing.....
I thought you just joined in September?? 
Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:Nalod wrote:
Lakers traded Divac for rookie Kobe. Trade a guy at the apex of his value for an asset to develope.
No guarantee but when it pans out its huge! Knicks don't take the right type of gamble.
Paid too much for Marbury and he was a disaster.
Dice trade was awful but at least you had a guy healthy for a brief shining moment (preseason). Price was too high.
We could have kept Camby and drafted Amare!
Melo for two no. 1 picks and 4 starters. Yes, melo is abonafide star but was the cost worth it? I agree with walsh and don't like the deal.
Im hoping I am wrong.
Draft picks were going to be low anyways. 4 starters? Chandler and Mozgov were only spot starters. Gallinari and Chandler were due for pay days and are now making combined what Melo makes. We lost Felton, but got back Billups to replace him. It was this move that freed up enough room to get Tyson Chandler. Then we didn't have to overpay Gallo and W Chandler. Then we got back Felton anyway, who at the time was the best player we lost in the deal. Seems like we didn't really give up that much, and what we did give up, we got a lot of it back.
Cmon, Uncle Nalod.
When will this line of reasoning ever end? Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov. These people are not starters anywhere except China and/or at the Olympics. Two low #1 picks, who, based on your other threads about how
the Knicks don't take the right type of gamble
, weren't going to turn into anything. John Wallace, Dontae Jones, Walter McCarty anyone?Please tell me a story about how Melo's not worth that 3 million that was doled out. It sounds better.
Its my opinion, I think we over spent and did so on one asset that is not quite complimentry to our other assets.
The proof is on the court.
Its abstract now in hindsight. ITs interesting what Denver is doing and Nets who were the other player in bidding for Melo's services. Does not mean Deron falls in our lap either.
Melo is a star. YOu should be happy?
Lets hope the other 'asset' that would have been the cornerstone of any other rebuilding plan isn't broken.
LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
Might as well say we should've never signed Amare to begin with. But it doesn't work that way
gunsnewing wrote:LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
How about last summer - 60 million
Or, this summer - 40 million
They would ABSOLUTELY amnesty him.
mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
How about last summer - 60 million
Or, this summer - 40 million
They would ABSOLUTELY amnesty him.
No question they would've amnestied him over the summer after a horrific season but thats hinsight
3G4G wrote:Nalod wrote:Where is Scola? Dude would be a good back up for us. Too young still??
Scola is like 32yrs old or something like that. Probably 5-6yrs too young to keep pace with our recent front court.
He's in Phx making Chris Smith Numbers more than Camby which is a DISGRACE!
He has knee issues, but as with Amar'e it's important to note that players can still play with troublesome knees for years. We just need to be careful- if Amar'e can play this season and next he becomes a giant expiring contract the third year. We just need 2 seasons out of him and we'll be okay.
So he is going to kill our cap for another 3yrs playing only 25mins if any?
gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
How about last summer - 60 million
Or, this summer - 40 million
They would ABSOLUTELY amnesty him.
No question they would've amnestied him over the summer after a horrific season but thats hinsight
Its not hindsight.
He broke down the second half of his first year, hurt his back in the playoffs and was a no show, is uninsured and injury prone.
Many fans and sports wrinters were screaming/stating this when they amnestied CB.
Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:Knixkik wrote:Nalod wrote:
Lakers traded Divac for rookie Kobe. Trade a guy at the apex of his value for an asset to develope.
No guarantee but when it pans out its huge! Knicks don't take the right type of gamble.
Paid too much for Marbury and he was a disaster.
Dice trade was awful but at least you had a guy healthy for a brief shining moment (preseason). Price was too high.
We could have kept Camby and drafted Amare!
Melo for two no. 1 picks and 4 starters. Yes, melo is abonafide star but was the cost worth it? I agree with walsh and don't like the deal.
Im hoping I am wrong.
Draft picks were going to be low anyways. 4 starters? Chandler and Mozgov were only spot starters. Gallinari and Chandler were due for pay days and are now making combined what Melo makes. We lost Felton, but got back Billups to replace him. It was this move that freed up enough room to get Tyson Chandler. Then we didn't have to overpay Gallo and W Chandler. Then we got back Felton anyway, who at the time was the best player we lost in the deal. Seems like we didn't really give up that much, and what we did give up, we got a lot of it back.
Cmon, Uncle Nalod.
When will this line of reasoning ever end? Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov. These people are not starters anywhere except China and/or at the Olympics. Two low #1 picks, who, based on your other threads about how
the Knicks don't take the right type of gamble
, weren't going to turn into anything. John Wallace, Dontae Jones, Walter McCarty anyone?Please tell me a story about how Melo's not worth that 3 million that was doled out. It sounds better.
Its my opinion, I think we over spent and did so on one asset that is not quite complimentry to our other assets.
The proof is on the court.
Its abstract now in hindsight. ITs interesting what Denver is doing and Nets who were the other player in bidding for Melo's services. Does not mean Deron falls in our lap either.
Melo is a star. YOu should be happy?
Phucquing happy, yes.
Your opinion includes overstating the value of what we overpaid with. Blowing smoke about complimentariness is just that.
Once, again, for the billionth time, there's nothing abstract about a 3rd string center, a SG/SF who missed an entire season after playing in China, and a future possible candidate for 6th man of the year. Stat/Felton were the focal point of those oh-so-happy pre-Melo times, if I recall correctly. No one was holding up Gallo for MVP signs.
mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
How about last summer - 60 million
Or, this summer - 40 million
They would ABSOLUTELY amnesty him.
No question they would've amnestied him over the summer after a horrific season but thats hinsight
Its not hindsight.
He broke down the second half of his first year, hurt his back in the playoffs and was a no show, is uninsured and injury prone.
Many fans and sports wrinters were screaming/stating this when they amnestied CB.
So should the Lakers amnesty Dwight too? Amare had a freak back injury. If it was his left knee then thats a different story
gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:gunsnewing wrote:LOL There was no way the Knicks were using the Amnesty on a guy who they just handed $100mil to a few months prior
How about last summer - 60 million
Or, this summer - 40 million
They would ABSOLUTELY amnesty him.
No question they would've amnestied him over the summer after a horrific season but thats hinsight
Its not hindsight.
He broke down the second half of his first year, hurt his back in the playoffs and was a no show, is uninsured and injury prone.
Many fans and sports wrinters were screaming/stating this when they amnestied CB.
So should the Lakers amnesty Dwight too? Amare had a freak back injury. If it was his left knee then thats a different story
You don't think there were enough red flags to simply save the amnesty? Seriously? There were enough red flags before they even signed him. The amnesty was the insurance gift that they did not have.
Perhaps if PHX knew that there would be an amnesty, maybe they would have taken the chance, though I doubt it.
The knee injury sounds like it may be a lot more serious than just a bruise if Amare has been out this long. How much time do these things usually take to heal? Are they just taking it easy so he doesnt re-injure himself or is there a lot more to this story?
OasisBU wrote:The knee injury sounds like it may be a lot more serious than just a bruise if Amare has been out this long. How much time do these things usually take to heal? Are they just taking it easy so he doesnt re-injure himself or is there a lot more to this story?
Ruptured cyst in his knee caused by arthritis, too much bone on bone so yes a legitimate longterm concern. For now out 2-3 weeks
