NBA · Summary of Jeremy "Gift" Lin's Pre-Season.... (page 28)

And who are we to know that Lin wasn't going to start off playing like his old self again under Woodson? Rockets games are far, far different from Woodson. Woodson wants Lin to control the tempo and feed the ball to EVERYONE.

McHale wants Lin to feed the ball only to Harden and then park the corner 3. No tempo, no flux, no wavelengths, no chemistry, nothing. Harden stops the flow of the game all the time because EVERYONE around him spectates. Occasionally he'll pass the ball somewhere but you could almost always tell the guy is going to take the shot base on his dribbles.

Watching last night's Houston/New Orlean's game. I could almost hear Woodson yelling at Lin when he is parked on the 3 point line. "You're not the SHOOTER, Lin, MOVE...LET'S GO."

And during the timeout Woodson would grill Lin for camping the perimeter. "Position yourself mid-range, Lin, don't settle for outside shot. Attack, kick...pass. Draw your defender in with you and kick the ball out."

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
So far this season he's had some pretty solid games and some underwhelming ones. I guess I'll try to stay away from this thread until maybe the all star break. or the end of his contract with Houston. Or I'll be back on in like 15 minutes.

+10000

LOL

Andrew/Martin what is the longest thread in UK history?

Also in your expert opinion most polarizing Knicks player post Ewing/Starks teams

- Starbury
- Melo
- Crawford
- Lin

??

Of all 4 of those players I would think Lin gave us the most ridiculously fun stretch of basketball. Crawford gave us his crazy game winning shot in Denver.

Also, does anyone know if Ultimate Chicago Bulls has a thread on Omer "The Gift" Asik ?

I know i'm not one of the big 2 the question is directed to, but polarizing doesn't even begin to describe what Jeremy Lin is.

This to me is just below the realm of politics and two notches below Religion. I don't know what it is, but it approaches cult status imo.

Does Omer have a thread??? You don't even have to Asik.

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
So far this season he's had some pretty solid games and some underwhelming ones. I guess I'll try to stay away from this thread until maybe the all star break. or the end of his contract with Houston. Or I'll be back on in like 15 minutes.

+10000

LOL

Andrew/Martin what is the longest thread in UK history?

Also in your expert opinion most polarizing Knicks player post Ewing/Starks teams

- Starbury
- Melo
- Crawford
- Lin

??

Of all 4 of those players I would think Lin gave us the most ridiculously fun stretch of basketball. Crawford gave us his crazy game winning shot in Denver.

Also, does anyone know if Ultimate Chicago Bulls has a thread on Omer "The Gift" Asik ?

I know i'm not one of the big 2 the question is directed to, but polarizing doesn't even begin to describe what Jeremy Lin is.

This to me is just below the realm of politics and two notches below Religion. I don't know what it is, but it approaches cult status imo.

Does Omer have a thread??? You don't even have to Asik.

You know what's hilarious. If you could go back in time, you could do some awesome stuff true. But on the way you could go back to last season and go on this forum during the height of Linsanity and say "By August half of you will be describing this kid as a selfish, two faced teammate and be glad he is gone." and just get the reaction.

Et tu Brute?

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
So far this season he's had some pretty solid games and some underwhelming ones. I guess I'll try to stay away from this thread until maybe the all star break. or the end of his contract with Houston. Or I'll be back on in like 15 minutes.

+10000

LOL

Andrew/Martin what is the longest thread in UK history?

Also in your expert opinion most polarizing Knicks player post Ewing/Starks teams

- Starbury
- Melo
- Crawford
- Lin

??

Of all 4 of those players I would think Lin gave us the most ridiculously fun stretch of basketball. Crawford gave us his crazy game winning shot in Denver.

Also, does anyone know if Ultimate Chicago Bulls has a thread on Omer "The Gift" Asik ?

I know i'm not one of the big 2 the question is directed to, but polarizing doesn't even begin to describe what Jeremy Lin is.

This to me is just below the realm of politics and two notches below Religion. I don't know what it is, but it approaches cult status imo.

Does Omer have a thread??? You don't even have to Asik.

I can't believe Landry Fields can't get a single thread...

gunsnewing wrote:I already did that. 98% of the people killing Lin now are the same people gushing about Linsanity in numerous old threads. Don't believe me Google it. If Brewer, JR and Felton were traded today people would be bashing them the same way. Some say this attitude makes you a "REAL" Knick fan

Exactly. I mean some guys that we got rid of im happy about like eddy curry and marbury because they didnt give a damn

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
So far this season he's had some pretty solid games and some underwhelming ones. I guess I'll try to stay away from this thread until maybe the all star break. or the end of his contract with Houston. Or I'll be back on in like 15 minutes.

+10000

LOL

Andrew/Martin what is the longest thread in UK history?

Also in your expert opinion most polarizing Knicks player post Ewing/Starks teams

- Starbury
- Melo
- Crawford
- Lin

??

Of all 4 of those players I would think Lin gave us the most ridiculously fun stretch of basketball. Crawford gave us his crazy game winning shot in Denver.

Also, does anyone know if Ultimate Chicago Bulls has a thread on Omer "The Gift" Asik ?

I know i'm not one of the big 2 the question is directed to, but polarizing doesn't even begin to describe what Jeremy Lin is.

This to me is just below the realm of politics and two notches below Religion. I don't know what it is, but it approaches cult status imo.

Does Omer have a thread??? You don't even have to Asik.

You know what's hilarious. If you could go back in time, you could do some awesome stuff true. But on the way you could go back to last season and go on this forum during the height of Linsanity and say "By August half of you will be describing this kid as a selfish, two faced teammate and be glad he is gone." and just get the reaction.

Et tu Brute?

And I've felt that way for a while now, no Flip-Flop John Kerry in me.

http://mads.ultimateknicks.com/forum/top...

What were you saying during Linsanity though not late May?

gunsnewing wrote:I can respect that. You are part of the 2 or 3%

What were you saying during Linsanity though not late May?

gunsnewing wrote:I already did that. 98% of the people killing Lin now are the same people gushing about Linsanity in numerous old threads. Don't believe me Google it. If Brewer, JR and Felton were traded today people would be bashing them the same way. Some say this attitude makes you a "REAL" Knick fan

The only poster that never liked Lin was AnubisADL back in the Linsanity times.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I already did that. 98% of the people killing Lin now are the same people gushing about Linsanity in numerous old threads. Don't believe me Google it. If Brewer, JR and Felton were traded today people would be bashing them the same way. Some say this attitude makes you a "REAL" Knick fan

The only poster that never liked Lin was AnubisADL back in the Linsanity times.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...

gunsnewing wrote:I already did that. 98% of the people killing Lin now are the same people gushing about Linsanity in numerous old threads. Don't believe me Google it. If Brewer, JR and Felton were traded today people would be bashing them the same way. Some say this attitude makes you a "REAL" Knick fan

THIS IS why i laugh at all the " good feeling threads" the love carmelo and love Brewer threads... how can you really take them serious when they were viewed as scrubs and knuckleheads adn selfish before they got here, and will be ridiculed as soon as they leave.... it makes no sense, whatsoever..

I am not one who likes to bump up old threads, but boy it would be interesting to see those bashing lin now had to say during linsanity...

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

Right. Plus 2.5 steals. I'd expect him to get his FG% up but he is in a pretty bad situation in Houston. Only 1 of his 14 teammates is a good offensive player.

exactly he's in a terrible situation but he chose to flirt Houston. I still think Houston is one frontcourt player and a new coach away from contending for the playoffs. They need to utilize lin and harden's playmaking ability with a big who runs PnR. Hell maybe they get desperate and take Amare off our hands. But the Knicks don't do trades without getting fleeced in the deal so Shumpert would be a goner. Despite how great Grunwald has been

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

Right. Plus 2.5 steals. I'd expect him to get his FG% up but he is in a pretty bad situation in Houston. Only 1 of his 14 teammates is a good offensive player.

exactly he's in a terrible situation but he chose to flirt Houston. I still think Houston is one frontcourt player and a new coach away from contending for the playoffs. They need to utilize lin and harden's playmaking ability with a big who runs PnR. Hell maybe they get desperate and take Amare off our hands

Pipe dream but doubt Morey is THAT desperate. Utah has Al Jefferson and Millsap and have to choose one of them and trade the other. Probably keeping Favors.

I think they still have enough cap space for a max FA --> Josh Smith is a FA after this season.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

Right. Plus 2.5 steals. I'd expect him to get his FG% up but he is in a pretty bad situation in Houston. Only 1 of his 14 teammates is a good offensive player.

exactly he's in a terrible situation but he chose to flirt Houston. I still think Houston is one frontcourt player and a new coach away from contending for the playoffs. They need to utilize lin and harden's playmaking ability with a big who runs PnR. Hell maybe they get desperate and take Amare off our hands. But the Knicks don't do trades without getting fleeced in the deal so Shumpert would be a goner. Despite how great Grunwald has been

I actually think they are just a coaching change away from making some noise. I like the front court players they have. Well, maybe not Parsons. So I will say that they are 1 coaching change, 1 SF and 1 backup PG away from making some serious noise.

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.

Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.

I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.

take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..

The problem is you can't simply ignore fg% and a steep decline in his scoring simply to make him look better. You can't ignore his shaky ball handling in order to make him look better. His boards and assists are average for a starting pg. His steals are elite though. The totality of his stats are clearly underwhelming. I don't see how anyone can attempt to say otherwise.

Also, Lin is not a rookie. I wish people would stop pretending he were. Lin has been in and around the NBA for two to three years now. He was on an NBA team for practically all of last year. He is not a rookie. He is not on a rookie contract. STOP IT!

Kyle Lowry is basically making $6M per.
Goran Dragic $7.5M per.

There are other bargains like Felton, Sessions, Ridnour. It may not make sense to overpay Lin considering there's so much talent at PG around the league and you can find cheap bargains. The Knicks were in a unique position where because they had Bird Rights they were the only team with the ability to pay him without sacrificing any roster flexibiility at all. We're way over $74 M every season for the next 3 years anyway and thus don't have the midlevel or any exceptions really.

At the end of 3 seasons we'll all see if Lin as grossly overpaid, a bargain or somewhere in between. At that point this thread will be 5,000 pages.