Best way to really criticize Lin and his contract is to look at what other PGs are making:
Kyle Lowry is basically making $6M per.
Goran Dragic $7.5M per.
There are other bargains like Felton, Sessions, Ridnour. It may not make sense to overpay Lin considering there's so much talent at PG around the league and you can find cheap bargains. The Knicks were in a unique position where because they had Bird Rights they were the only team with the ability to pay him without sacrificing any roster flexibiility at all. We're way over $74 M every season for the next 3 years anyway and thus don't have the midlevel or any exceptions really.
At the end of 3 seasons we'll all see if Lin as grossly overpaid, a bargain or somewhere in between. At that point this thread will be 5,000 pages.
What do you think of Patrick Patterson and Marcus Morris? If that enough in the frontcourt? Asik is good but not great
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.
I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.
take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..
Right. Plus 2.5 steals. I'd expect him to get his FG% up but he is in a pretty bad situation in Houston. Only 1 of his 14 teammates is a good offensive player.
exactly he's in a terrible situation but he chose to flirt Houston. I still think Houston is one frontcourt player and a new coach away from contending for the playoffs. They need to utilize lin and harden's playmaking ability with a big who runs PnR. Hell maybe they get desperate and take Amare off our hands
Pipe dream but doubt Morey is THAT desperate. Utah has Al Jefferson and Millsap and have to choose one of them and trade the other. Probably keeping Favors.
I think they still have enough cap space for a max FA --> Josh Smith is a FA after this season.
Yea can definitely see Josh Smith, Al Jeff or Millsap doing there. Should be a fun team to watch
gunsnewing wrote:What do you think of Patrick Patterson and Marcus Morris? If that enough in the frontcourt? Asik is good but not great
They both have shown flashes of looking good. D-League looks like it really helped Marcus Morris. I love me some Omer Asik. he looks funny. he plays hard. he protects the rim. he looks crazy trying to finish layups sometimes. it's all very entertaining.
NUPE wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:Long story short is that Lin has not played well, thus far, and the Knicks came out for the better - for now - with Felton, Kidd and Prig.Lin will improve but the Knicks don't have the luxury of waiting for their starting pg to improve since they are in a position to compete now unlike the Rockets.
I will say I did not think Lin would be as bad as he has. I am actually surprised.
take away his shooting % which is at 35% do you really think 11/4.5 boards and 6 dimes a game is BAD? really? I surely don't expect his shooting to stay at 35%.... If I told anyone pretty much a rookie player is avg 11/6/4, they would go nuts, we tell you his name is lin... and it is BAD... go figure..
The problem is you can't simply ignore fg% and a steep decline in his scoring simply to make him look better. You can't ignore his shaky ball handling in order to make him look better. His boards and assists are average for a starting pg. His steals are elite though. The totality of his stats are clearly underwhelming. I don't see how anyone can attempt to say otherwise.
Also, Lin is not a rookie. I wish people would stop pretending he were. Lin has been in and around the NBA for two to three years now. He was on an NBA team for practically all of last year. He is not a rookie. He is not on a rookie contract. STOP IT!
I have been watching all Rocket games. Like what tkf said, Lin's only blemish is his 3pt shooting. His overall game is really good. The last couple of games Lin even showed his shot blocking abilities.
His handle is pretty good. His long fast break passes even got better from the Linsanity times. Patrick Patterson, Morris, Parsons and Asik keep messing up the layups. I would love to see Terrence Jones and Greg Smith get more burn.
gunsnewing wrote:What do you think of Patrick Patterson and Marcus Morris? If that enough in the frontcourt? Asik is good but not great
I would rather have Terrence Jones, Greg Smith and Donata get more burn than these guys. I hate it when Lin calls Patterson to come up for a PnR and he waves him off.
yea basically Houston needs to upgrade its frontcourt
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Best way to really criticize Lin and his contract is to look at what other PGs are making:Kyle Lowry is basically making $6M per.
Goran Dragic $7.5M per.
There are other bargains like Felton, Sessions, Ridnour. It may not make sense to overpay Lin considering there's so much talent at PG around the league and you can find cheap bargains. The Knicks were in a unique position where because they had Bird Rights they were the only team with the ability to pay him without sacrificing any roster flexibiility at all. We're way over $74 M every season for the next 3 years anyway and thus don't have the midlevel or any exceptions really.
At the end of 3 seasons we'll all see if Lin as grossly overpaid, a bargain or somewhere in between. At that point this thread will be 5,000 pages.
+1 Both Lowry and Dragic are making less annually than Lin, are around the same age and are both clearly superior to Lin.
Also, they both played for the Rockets last year lol.
Let be real...the only reason this thread was created, and so hot now, was because TkF & 3G were trolling the site about how letting Lin go was the end of the world and Melo is the anti-christ.
Regardless of what anyone is saying, this thread is a big "I told you so" and for that reason alone, it should be locked.
Swishfm3 wrote:Let be real...the only reason this thread was created, and so hot now, was because TkF & 3G were trolling the site about how letting Lin go was the end of the world and Melo is the anti-christ. Regardless of what anyone is saying, this thread is a big "I told you so" and for that reason alone, it should be locked.
I think you got it reversed. The person who posted this thread wanted to say "I told you so" about how bad Lin is.
Swishfm3 wrote:Let be real...the only reason this thread was created, and so hot now, was because TkF & 3G were trolling the site about how letting Lin go was the end of the world and Melo is the anti-christ. Regardless of what anyone is saying, this thread is a big "I told you so" and for that reason alone, it should be locked.
The person who made this thread hates lin so how the hell did you come up with that assumption?
Wow, I didn't think Swishs post was that hard to follow. Color me wrong.
Anji wrote:Wow, I didn't think Swishs post was that hard to follow. Color me wrong.
It wasn't hard to follow, but it was erroneous.
IrishKnickFan wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:Let be real...the only reason this thread was created, and so hot now, was because TkF & 3G were trolling the site about how letting Lin go was the end of the world and Melo is the anti-christ. Regardless of what anyone is saying, this thread is a big "I told you so" and for that reason alone, it should be locked.
The person who made this thread hates lin so how the hell did you come up with that assumption?
I think he is saying that because of what those two said the thread creator started an "i told you so" thread
I don't think anyone hates Lin. I do know that personally I get tired of hearing what colossal mistake it was not to match Houston's contract offer. There were a lot of reasons not to match the contract. The Knicks are doing great and an assessment from a small ample size would indicate the rockets overpaid for Lin.
I made this thread to keep all the Lin hyperbole in one single location. If not for this thread there would several different Lin threads, easily.
I don't hate Lin. I just don't think he is a Gift and I don't think he is a special player.
NUPE wrote:I made this thread to keep all the Lin hyperbole in one single location.
sorry. revisionist bullshit. you may have moderated now but the purpose of the thread was pretty clear.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:NUPE wrote:I made this thread to keep all the Lin hyperbole in one single location.
sorry. revisionist bullshit. you may have moderated now but the purpose of the thread was pretty clear.
No need to revise a thing. I don't give a crap about what you or anyone on a sports message board thinks of me.
My reason for making the thread was to consolidate the inevitable Lin performance talk into a single thread. It has worked. We have one thread instead of a new Lin thread every two to three games.
It just so happens that Lin has generally sucked thus far this reg. season. Thus, whiners claim I made this thread to hate on Lin - as if I had a crystal ball that told me Lin would suck a few weeks ago when I made this thread. LoL!
DurzoBlint is the truth!!!!!
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think anyone hates Lin. I do know that personally I get tired of hearing what colossal mistake it was not to match Houston's contract offer. There were a lot of reasons not to match the contract. The Knicks are doing great and an assessment from a small ample size would indicate the rockets overpaid for Lin.
truth.com
Mike Lupica said yesterday on the radio his position on Lin was thus:
Lin played well during Linsanity, but I'm not gonna act like we let Wilt CHamberlain go to the rockets. He didn't think Lin was a star player and couldn't keep that production up over a season.
The Knicks r legit.
