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AnubisADL wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I know what Howard can do but I also see what he can't do and that's stay with a team without throwing everyone around him under the bus. If by some fluke he became a Knick I would welcome him like I welcomed Spree, baggage and all. Hope it doesn't come to that though.

I get the feelings that Jennings made that prediction with the intention of being traded. I don't think you do that knowing that the defending champs will do everything they can to sweep and make the Bucks look bad unless you have ulterior motives. Doubt it was meant to fire up his team.

The Bucks arent going to trade Jennings. The Bucks can have cap space and guys still wont sign there unless they are being overpaid.

Jennings best bet is to resign to a 3 year deal then leave. If he takes the QO he is screwed since any team he gets traded to wont have his bird rights. Knowing Jennings he wont care. Probably wants to play in LA when the Lakers have cap space next summer.

They might not trade Jennings but I get the feeling Jennings wants to leave. If Jennings doesn't want to leave he has a strange way of showing it. He must have known that picking a fight with the Heat was going to end badly. Maybe its a lack of maturity and nothing else. Guess we'll find out over the summer.

smackeddog wrote:Great article on the Lakers season ending- some very good points by MWP:

"At the end of the day, it has to be a collective effort and it has to jell; the system has to work for everybody," World Peace told CBS Sports Radio in an interview Saturday. "And you have to be the best team with the best coaches and the best players, and it has to make sense; it has to connect. For us, it just didn't connect. It wasn't [anybody's] fault. It just didn't happen.

"It's not necessarily about having the best names," he said. "It's about being the best team. So this year, I felt we had the most talent. It just wasn't translating and it didn't connect. We didn't connect with Coach Brown, and then Bernie [Bickerstaff] comes in we connect with Coach Bernie, and Coach D'Antoni comes in and it works for a little bit and then it doesn't work and then it works really well toward the end of the season. ... It's nobody's fault; it just didn't happen. We just did not connect."

As it turned out, the talent, reputations, pride and egos that collided when the Lakers added Nash and Howard required some tough love -- some confrontation -- in order to connect the dots. And with Brown and D'Antoni, two coaches whose positive attributes did not include the Jackson-like ability to confront and demand, the players never got that -- and they never gave the coaches a chance to give it to them.

"I feel like at times the Lakers did not let the coaches coach," World Peace said. "The players, we didn't let them do their job. So now you get the crowd's chanting, 'We want Phil, we want Phil,' and things like that, which is not a bad thing. But at the same time, you have to take some responsibility for the season. The fans can't blame Coach D'Antoni, can't blame Coach Brown for a season like this. It's a collective effort.

"Sometimes, we didn't let the coaches coach, and sometimes the coaches didn't coach," World Peace said. "So it goes both ways. Sometimes a coach can get in a tough situation where they respect these All-Stars so much that they don't want to rub people the wrong way. So sometimes I felt we should've been rubbed the wrong way. Sometimes I felt like Coach Brown could've rubbed us more the wrong way. Even Coach D'Antoni could've rubbed us the wrong way sometimes."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-be...

So, if you were the Lakers, would you amnesty Kobe. Its, cold, cold, cold, but it would save you over $76mil next season. Amnesty MWP and trade Gasol for cap space, and you can start a rebuild. I'm not sure- it's probably the right move logically (doubt he's going to play at a high level), but I don't think I could do it after everything he did for that franchise.

MWP usually speaks the truth and while these comments don't do much to fuel the MDA hater, its seems fair. Not that it lets MDA off the hook entirely but the Lakes are a complex problem with a roster that was very "Isiah like" in that it did not gel.

Injuries were a big part of it mostly to Howard needing time and Nash never got it going. Maybe the best thing was to let Bickerstaff be the interm but I don't think he wanted it. MDA is a "systems" guy which is "do it my way, Im the coach"!

Im sure he adjusted to some extent but we all know he is what he is.

Going forward they will likley get the MDA guys as assistants and revamp. They got big problems and a big ego in Kobe who will also can be a problem if he makes it back. He will need time to heal, and time to play back in.

Anmesty Kobe? MWP? Pau, etc etc.........Its LA, you don't rebuild.

Dwight? Dude is a child. Really, if he walks They are really not at a total loss as they would have had the bynum problem that Philly has. What to do?

I don't know.

They should do a deal with Brooklyn and trade Dwight for Bropez.

Can NBA still do "sign and trades"?

Got a laker fan in the office and he is all out of sorts. I told him "now you understand what its like to be a knick fan all these years but without the bling"

smackeddog wrote:Great article on the Lakers season ending- some very good points by MWP:

"At the end of the day, it has to be a collective effort and it has to jell; the system has to work for everybody," World Peace told CBS Sports Radio in an interview Saturday. "And you have to be the best team with the best coaches and the best players, and it has to make sense; it has to connect. For us, it just didn't connect. It wasn't [anybody's] fault. It just didn't happen.

"It's not necessarily about having the best names," he said. "It's about being the best team. So this year, I felt we had the most talent. It just wasn't translating and it didn't connect. We didn't connect with Coach Brown, and then Bernie [Bickerstaff] comes in we connect with Coach Bernie, and Coach D'Antoni comes in and it works for a little bit and then it doesn't work and then it works really well toward the end of the season. ... It's nobody's fault; it just didn't happen. We just did not connect."

As it turned out, the talent, reputations, pride and egos that collided when the Lakers added Nash and Howard required some tough love -- some confrontation -- in order to connect the dots. And with Brown and D'Antoni, two coaches whose positive attributes did not include the Jackson-like ability to confront and demand, the players never got that -- and they never gave the coaches a chance to give it to them.

"I feel like at times the Lakers did not let the coaches coach," World Peace said. "The players, we didn't let them do their job. So now you get the crowd's chanting, 'We want Phil, we want Phil,' and things like that, which is not a bad thing. But at the same time, you have to take some responsibility for the season. The fans can't blame Coach D'Antoni, can't blame Coach Brown for a season like this. It's a collective effort.

"Sometimes, we didn't let the coaches coach, and sometimes the coaches didn't coach," World Peace said. "So it goes both ways. Sometimes a coach can get in a tough situation where they respect these All-Stars so much that they don't want to rub people the wrong way. So sometimes I felt we should've been rubbed the wrong way. Sometimes I felt like Coach Brown could've rubbed us more the wrong way. Even Coach D'Antoni could've rubbed us the wrong way sometimes."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-be...

So, if you were the Lakers, would you amnesty Kobe. Its, cold, cold, cold, but it would save you over $76mil next season. Amnesty MWP and trade Gasol for cap space, and you can start a rebuild. I'm not sure- it's probably the right move logically (doubt he's going to play at a high level), but I don't think I could do it after everything he did for that franchise.

Lebron, Bosh, Melo, Demarcus Cousins, and Paul George might be available summer 2014. LA has no one on the books besides Steve Nash after 2014.

Even if LA loses Dwight they can tank and try to rebuild. Getting Lebron and Bosh would obviously expedite that process but they have options.

Nalod wrote:
Dwight? Dude is a child. Really, if he walks They are really not at a total loss as they would have had the bynum problem that Philly has. What to do?

I don't know.

They should do a deal with Brooklyn and trade Dwight for Bropez.

Can NBA still do "sign and trades"?

Nets aren't allowed to take part in a sign and trade because they're over the apron. If they want to sign and trade for Dwight, they'd have to shed a big chunk of salary first- maybe losing the Kardashian would get them under the apron (not sure what the exact figure is), though why anyone would take on that bums salary to help the Nets get Dwight, I do not know.

AnubisADL wrote:

Lebron, Bosh, Melo, Demarcus Cousins, and Paul George might be available summer 2014. LA has no one on the books besides Steve Nash after 2014.

Even if LA loses Dwight they can tank and try to rebuild. Getting Lebron and Bosh would obviously expedite that process but they have options.

I don't know, the emptying your roster to land big FA's strategy is a risky one- as we almost found out, and as Dallas did found out, it's very, very easy to be left empty handed. I'm not convinced you can build around Cousins, or Bosh, and I don't see why Lebron would be attracted to living under Kobe's shadow of achievements for the rest of his career.

smackeddog wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Lebron, Bosh, Melo, Demarcus Cousins, and Paul George might be available summer 2014. LA has no one on the books besides Steve Nash after 2014.

Even if LA loses Dwight they can tank and try to rebuild. Getting Lebron and Bosh would obviously expedite that process but they have options.

I don't know, the emptying your roster to land big FA's strategy is a risky one- as we almost found out, and as Dallas did found out, it's very, very easy to be left empty handed. I'm not convinced you can build around Cousins, or Bosh, and I don't see why Lebron would be attracted to living under Kobe's shadow of achievements for the rest of his career.

3G4G wrote:Denver is making playa prophetic....Ha Ha Ha.

It's not because Denver doesn't have a star, they are simply getting out played in every sense.

Hey I thought they'd play much better but GS has everything going for them. They can't miss. Good for them young teams can prosper in this league...GSW may just have the best up and coming talent in the league. Wish we had much of their talent.

very true.. what is happening is more so on denver, they need to defend better.. period... they can score, but they don't stop the other team enough.. LOL.. but again, both are young teams with a bright future. GS is fun to watch as well, wish lee was playing tho... good to see this, wish we had that kind of young talent as well... the series is not over.. would not be surprised to see Denver push this to 7 games... although I said it before it started that the warriors were very capable of beating denver....

AnubisADL wrote:

rofl!!!

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

rofl!!!

That was great!!!

Anyways...I think Dwight just lowered his value considerably.

Let's list how many teams have cap space to sign Dwight this summer straight up for Max.

Team Total Salary 2013/2014
ATL - $18,483,800
CHA - $40,420,327 - They will have to get creative.
CLE - $32,594,120
DET - $35,172,720
HOU - $38,063,852
MIL - $40,581,659
NO -  $34,957,332
PHI - $46,193,356 - They will have to get creative.
SAC - $40,707,644
SAS - $41,042,756
UTA - $25,696,809

Any team with more than $38K total salary will need to get creative to sign Dwight. In this list, who do you think have the guts to sign a max player with issues. This is a guy who forced himself out of a small market team so small market teams would have to be eliminated.

ATL, CHA, DET, MIL, NO, SAC probably just got taken out of the equation.

This leaves HOU, NO, PHI, SAS and UTA in the mix.

NO probably not since they already have players in the 5 and 4 spot.

I don't think Dwight would want to sign with UTA. Just not a FA hotspot.

Need to take out SAS too with that nice little gif as proof.

This leaves HOU, PHI, and of course the LAL in the hunt. I would say that he lowered his value quite a bit.

his is a guy who forced himself out of a small market team so small market teams would have to be eliminated.

AnubisADL wrote:You do know Howard is from Atlanta. I wouldnt write them off.

Did not know that. Good place for him then.

AnubisADL wrote:

oh man, awesome pic

AnubisADL wrote:Dwight Howard is still a BEAST and I would welcome him to the Knicks. He would definitely open things up for Melo on the wings.

Jennings doesnt want to be in Milwaukee unless he is being overpaid. He wants a large market. I see him taking the QO which means he will lose his bird rights if traded.

loses Bird Rights if traded?!? is this right? I don't think so...

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Dwight Howard is still a BEAST and I would welcome him to the Knicks. He would definitely open things up for Melo on the wings.

Jennings doesnt want to be in Milwaukee unless he is being overpaid. He wants a large market. I see him taking the QO which means he will lose his bird rights if traded.

loses Bird Rights if traded?!? is this right? I don't think so...

If he takes the QO Jennings has to approve any trade because he will lose his bird rights. Same thing happened with David Lee here.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/tnt_ov...

Osiris wrote:Lol!@Dwight going anywhere! Stars in their prime don't leave LA! And certainly not for Houston or ATL! ESPN reported the Lakers can offer him the most money this year. LA is stuck with the Dwightmare!

playa2 wrote:Denver has a group of 2nd fiddle or 3rd fiddle guys(NO ALPHA DOG) who have no clue how to take over games in playoff crunch times. George Karl has an easy job, because nobody expects these guys to go far in the 2nd season, entertainment is the goal.

Golden State without their all-star David Lee, put Denver to sleep at their own crib.

Nuggicks fans here has been silent of the lambs as of late, they read this thread in silence and have no voice.Mark Jackson has out coached George Karl and should be up 2-0.

George Karl pulled a Mike Danphoney (no defense)

Now they are down 3-1 newer version of phoenix entertainment tonight !

AnubisADL wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Howard just got himself ejected after getting his second t. I wonder if he is done as a laker.

You have to believe Dallas or Houston would be a better situation for Howard. Dallas has Nowitski. Houston has Harden and young assets to trade to make a big 3.

Dirk's tank is empty. That train has left. Houston would be a good situation for Superman. Would probably make the game easier for Lin, and Harden is a scoring machine that also distributes.

Anyone giving Houston any shot against OKC without Westbrook?

I was thinking a Houston/Knicks final would be a great ratings deal.