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CrushAlot wrote:George Karl has gotten out of the first round in Denver once in 8 trips to the playoffs. He also lost in the first round twice in Seatle when he had Kemp and Payton and his team was winning close to 60 games every year.

Let the Knuggets fans tell it, and it was Melos fault for not advancing all those years. Melo has been gone for 2 years and they still are struggling to get out of the 1st round. Karl is the one common demoninator....

Karl's been to the ECF, WCF (twice), and NBA finals.

That was over a decade ago....As Crush said, his last 9 trips to the playoffs, he advanced beyond the 1st round once. Just becaise he went to the finals near 20 years ago, does not exempt what he has done/or hasn't done over the last 9 years....

No, those accomplishments were spread out from 1993 to 2009.

From 2002- 2013 (11 years) he's advanced out of the first round 1 time and that was with Melo in 2009.

He definitely had more success until the day he met Carmelo. You won't get a disagreement from me there.
I'm not drawing anything causal. Playoffs are such a small sample to begin with. I wouldn't throw out the first half of a coaches career or even just emphasize the more recent half.

He lost in the 1st round the last 3 without Melo. 2 years before teaming up with Melo he lost in the 1st round, missed the playoffs and got fired....Again when does Karl take some blame for he recent shortcommings?

Ha, an unintentionally hilarious interview with Kahn about his firing, and it seems he's an even bigger idiot and a**hole than we thought:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...

Hmm, I wonder if we'll go after Kevin Love in 2015

smackeddog wrote:Ha, an unintentionally hilarious interview with Kahn about his firing, and it seems he's an even bigger idiot and a**hole than we thought:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...

Hmm, I wonder if we'll go after Kevin Love in 2015

No thanks to Kevin Love.

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CrushAlot wrote:George Karl has gotten out of the first round in Denver once in 8 trips to the playoffs. He also lost in the first round twice in Seatle when he had Kemp and Payton and his team was winning close to 60 games every year.

Let the Knuggets fans tell it, and it was Melos fault for not advancing all those years. Melo has been gone for 2 years and they still are struggling to get out of the 1st round. Karl is the one common demoninator....

Karl's been to the ECF, WCF (twice), and NBA finals.

That was over a decade ago....As Crush said, his last 9 trips to the playoffs, he advanced beyond the 1st round once. Just becaise he went to the finals near 20 years ago, does not exempt what he has done/or hasn't done over the last 9 years....

No, those accomplishments were spread out from 1993 to 2009.

From 2002- 2013 (11 years) he's advanced out of the first round 1 time and that was with Melo in 2009.

He definitely had more success until the day he met Carmelo. You won't get a disagreement from me there.
I'm not drawing anything causal. Playoffs are such a small sample to begin with. I wouldn't throw out the first half of a coaches career or even just emphasize the more recent half.

He lost in the 1st round the last 3 without Melo. 2 years before teaming up with Melo he lost in the 1st round, missed the playoffs and got fired....Again when does Karl take some blame for he recent shortcommings?

Are you asking me my personal opinion? The playoffs are too small a sample for anything other than entertainment - I wouldn't assess a player or coach from them. I criticize Melo for being weak in all the nonscoring areas of the game but you don't hear me mentioning that he has the worst playoff record among players (other than now) - I wouldn't evaluate him from some 50 games. That's barely half a season spread over 10 years.

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CrushAlot wrote:George Karl has gotten out of the first round in Denver once in 8 trips to the playoffs. He also lost in the first round twice in Seatle when he had Kemp and Payton and his team was winning close to 60 games every year.

Let the Knuggets fans tell it, and it was Melos fault for not advancing all those years. Melo has been gone for 2 years and they still are struggling to get out of the 1st round. Karl is the one common demoninator....

Karl's been to the ECF, WCF (twice), and NBA finals.

That was over a decade ago....As Crush said, his last 9 trips to the playoffs, he advanced beyond the 1st round once. Just becaise he went to the finals near 20 years ago, does not exempt what he has done/or hasn't done over the last 9 years....

No, those accomplishments were spread out from 1993 to 2009.

From 2002- 2013 (11 years) he's advanced out of the first round 1 time and that was with Melo in 2009.

He definitely had more success until the day he met Carmelo. You won't get a disagreement from me there.
I'm not drawing anything causal. Playoffs are such a small sample to begin with. I wouldn't throw out the first half of a coaches career or even just emphasize the more recent half.

Yet Uptown and the Lobbyists use a different pair of scales(a cheating pair at that) when weighing Carmelo's success/failure.

It seems like Karl is supposed to take all the blame for the 1st round exits in Denver but still can't claim any credit for the one conference finals appearance.

Show me in any of my posts where I said Karl should take all the blame?! The argument against Melo has always been that he hasn't gotten out of the 1st round but one time in Denver. the Anti-Melo crew put all the blame on Melo's shoulders ignoring the fact that Karl was on the sidelines for those same losses. And the 1st round exit trend is still continuing (3yrs in a row) with Melo no longer on the team.....This tells me that it wasn't all on Melo....

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3G4G wrote:Great Series congrats to Golden State...

Denver should be proud though, they fought hard and never gave up. They'll be back I ain't even mad. The only thing disappointing is not watching another game by these two teams.

Denver should be proud??..Hahahah..alternate universe???..Denver was picked by some alnalysis as the third likely team to win it all...Karl gets a pass again ...MDA gets a pass..If Woody and the Knicks don't make it to the ECF, there will be hell to pay...

denver exceeded expectations from the start of the year.. the knicks are a win now or fold tent team.. no matter how much you want to clown denver.. they are young and only getting better... if the knicks don't win this year.. it will be time to take an enema to this team.. plain and simple.. can't deflect.. knicks made this trade for now... this is not a long term team, which is why teams like Denver and GS and other young good teams will get more rope.. plain and simple...

What this is really telling me is that you guys aren't really Nuggets fans...This outcome is wholly unacceptable in Denver..The fan base has to be utterly disappointed...The Nuggets were expected to go deep into the playoffs and challenge San Antonio..They lost in the first round to Golden State, the 8th seed...The Knicks has far exceeded expectations as well and yet you feel it's ECF or bust...Real fans have high expectations for their teams...Denver has to make some major changes..Next year, Iggy is making 16 mil, Gallo 11 mil, McGee 11 mil, Lawson 11 mil and Brewer is probably gone...They need a fresh young coach with new ideas...I really don't see their situation as a positive because clearly their home court is a huge advantage...They aren't as good as their record indicates and they have to wait for the playoffs to find out...They have some decisions to make...

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smackeddog wrote:Ha, an unintentionally hilarious interview with Kahn about his firing, and it seems he's an even bigger idiot and a**hole than we thought:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-d...

Hmm, I wonder if we'll go after Kevin Love in 2015

No thanks to Kevin Love.

Agreed- can't stand him. Seems to be one of those players who's monster stats seem to have no bearing on the outcome of the game- infact I'm sure the worse his stats, the more likely the T-Wolves are to win. But I am curious who we'll go after in 2015 when nearly everyone's contract is up.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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CrushAlot wrote:George Karl has gotten out of the first round in Denver once in 8 trips to the playoffs. He also lost in the first round twice in Seatle when he had Kemp and Payton and his team was winning close to 60 games every year.

Let the Knuggets fans tell it, and it was Melos fault for not advancing all those years. Melo has been gone for 2 years and they still are struggling to get out of the 1st round. Karl is the one common demoninator....

Karl's been to the ECF, WCF (twice), and NBA finals.

That was over a decade ago....As Crush said, his last 9 trips to the playoffs, he advanced beyond the 1st round once. Just becaise he went to the finals near 20 years ago, does not exempt what he has done/or hasn't done over the last 9 years....

No, those accomplishments were spread out from 1993 to 2009.

From 2002- 2013 (11 years) he's advanced out of the first round 1 time and that was with Melo in 2009.

He definitely had more success until the day he met Carmelo. You won't get a disagreement from me there.
I'm not drawing anything causal. Playoffs are such a small sample to begin with. I wouldn't throw out the first half of a coaches career or even just emphasize the more recent half.

Yet Uptown and the Lobbyists use a different pair of scales(a cheating pair at that) when weighing Carmelo's success/failure.

It seems like Karl is supposed to take all the blame for the 1st round exits in Denver but still can't claim any credit for the one conference finals appearance.

Show me in any of my posts where I said Karl should take all the blame?! The argument against Melo has always been that he hasn't gotten out of the 1st round but one time in Denver. the Anti-Melo crew put all the blame on Melo's shoulders ignoring the fact that Karl was on the sidelines for those same losses. And the 1st round exit trend is still continuing (3yrs in a row) with Melo no longer on the team.....This tells me that it wasn't all on Melo....

You seem to think there is *one* group of people criticizing Melo's game and they all think the same thing. If you read what I write, David Berri, Justin Kubatko, and many others, they do not fit into the the description you're providing.

From Andre Miller's mouth

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

What'd you think the younger players learned from this series, Andre? Miller reponds: "Nothing. Nothing."

Besides Gallo, I consider Andre Miller the smartest guy on the team. Again let's stop assuming the Nuggets are okay with what happened and satisfied with the outcome.

Hersports85 wrote:From Andre Miller's mouth

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

What'd you think the younger players learned from this series, Andre? Miller reponds: "Nothing. Nothing."

Besides Gallo, I consider Andre Miller the smartest guy on the team. Again let's stop assuming the Nuggets are okay with what happened and satisfied with the outcome.

For those who watched the series, how did Karl get out-coached?

LOL Andre Miller trying to get himself traded I see.

Kidd for Andre Miller.

Hersports85 wrote:From Andre Miller's mouth

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."

Ethan Strauss ‏@SherwoodStrauss 13h

What'd you think the younger players learned from this series, Andre? Miller reponds: "Nothing. Nothing."

Besides Gallo, I consider Andre Miller the smartest guy on the team. Again let's stop assuming the Nuggets are okay with what happened and satisfied with the outcome.

Clearly, Andre Miller is a lobbyist and a lier.....

Denver was without Gallo but Golden St were without Lee. The better player. And Denver is deeper. Karls system like Dantoni is not condusive to winning in the playoffs without the likes of payton kemp nash amare marion and joe johnson

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:Great Series congrats to Golden State...

Denver should be proud though, they fought hard and never gave up. They'll be back I ain't even mad. The only thing disappointing is not watching another game by these two teams.

Denver should be proud??..Hahahah..alternate universe???..Denver was picked by some alnalysis as the third likely team to win it all...Karl gets a pass again ...MDA gets a pass..If Woody and the Knicks don't make it to the ECF, there will be hell to pay...

denver exceeded expectations from the start of the year.. the knicks are a win now or fold tent team.. no matter how much you want to clown denver.. they are young and only getting better... if the knicks don't win this year.. it will be time to take an enema to this team.. plain and simple.. can't deflect.. knicks made this trade for now... this is not a long term team, which is why teams like Denver and GS and other young good teams will get more rope.. plain and simple...

Dude you keep exposing yourself.

Knicks are in win now and can push the reset button anytime. We have Melo to build around. He is proven.

Nuggets are "hoping" Gallinari, Lawson, McGee, or Faried can become "that guy" for them.

Plenty of young teams are going to fall off soon enough. Golden State isnt going to pay Barnes, Thompson, and everyone else. So they have a short window as well.

Knicks have plenty of capspace summer 2015 so I don't see how those other teams futures are so bright and the Knicks are so gloomy.

LOL, exposing myself? as what, superior in basketball knowledge?

how can the knicks push the reset button at anytime with amare's contract, chandler's contract and carmelo on this team.. with no young players other than shumpert and no picks?

HOW????
Nuggets are "hoping" Gallinari, Lawson, McGee, or Faried can become "that guy" for them.

dude they won, 57 games, what is that guy? they are already very productive, what denver hopes like any other team is that they keep improving.. there is no secret with those guys.. they can already play... maybe they trade some of these guys.. Denver has options.. that is the key...

Golden State isnt going to pay Barnes, Thompson, and everyone else. So they have a short window as well.

and how do you know that? LOL

Knicks have plenty of capspace summer 2015 so I don't see how those other teams futures are so bright and the Knicks are so gloomy.

dude we don't have picks...... but the cap space is great, when we see who we sign then we can talk about having a bright future.... cap space is great to add on to an existing foundation... the knicks will have felton, shumpert and novak... with cap space... are you excited with that? and please don't talk about resigning carmelo and building around him going into his 13th year.. come on man...

The Knicks do have picks. They are finally almost out of the fire sale era of picks that Walsh/Isiah held during their tenures. The Knicks have this years 1st, a 1st in 2015 and a 1st in 2016. The only first rounder gone is the one Walsh included in the Melo trade in 2014. Three out of four first rounders for the next four years is a bounty of picks for this franchise. Also, the Knicks finally got beyond having late second rounders round out the roster. I don't think it is a bad thing that the roster is so good that their 15th man isn't a late rookie second round pick like Jerome Jordan or even Landry Fields.

Miller called out Karl.

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."
2:25 AM - 3 May 2013
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22189561/andre-miller-on-denvers-upset-we-got-outplayed-we-got-outcoached

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 19m

Rockets Carlos Delfino has a bone fracture in his right foot that requires surgery and will cause him to miss the rest of the season.

I think OKC close out tonight.

CrushAlot wrote:Miller called out Karl.

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."
2:25 AM - 3 May 2013
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22189561/andre-miller-on-denvers-upset-we-got-outplayed-we-got-outcoached

I read that as miller just saying no one person is to blame and that they all needed to collectively step up

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Miller called out Karl.

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."
2:25 AM - 3 May 2013
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22189561/andre-miller-on-denvers-upset-we-got-outplayed-we-got-outcoached

I read that as miller just saying no one person is to blame and that they all needed to collectively step up

In the article I read Moore quoted Miller and said he was the only player that took the bait from reporters and called out his coach. I didn't see the interview where he said it so my context is based on what Moore wrote.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Miller called out Karl.

Welp, here's some Karl-bus-throwing from Andre Miller: "We got outplayed, we got outcoached."
2:25 AM - 3 May 2013
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22189561/andre-miller-on-denvers-upset-we-got-outplayed-we-got-outcoached

I read that as miller just saying no one person is to blame and that they all needed to collectively step up

In the article I read Moore quoted Miller and said he was the only player that took the bait from reporters and called out his coach. I didn't see the interview where he said it so my context is based on what Moore wrote.

There is a big difference between blaming someone and stating everyone should have done better. BTW, the writer agreed with miller's quote but thought he shouldn't have said anything, which is kinda hypocritical since 1) he asked and wanted an answer and 2) the whole article is based off that one quote, which he agreed with and then criticized. Stupid IMHO

They're debating on ESPN about Durant's need for Westbrook. He's definitely needed right now but if you look long term, who could OKC get with Westbrook's 16 mill a season? What complimentary moves? If Durant doesn't want to be number 2 anymore OKC should find out. It would also benefit Westbrook because he's talented enough to lead a team on his own the way Rose does, when he's playing.

Lin wearing a Bro???