If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
You'd think someone like Bonn who is really interested in the Metrics and making cases for certain players would have his bases covered. Yet keeps asking for posters such as myself and not toot my own horn but I pay attention to a lot of stuff NBA related and I knew without having to scour the internet for fact finding evidence for discussing that certain things are what they are.
But I find this funny even in our disagreements on subject matters mrknickshots and we have disagreed like last night you're able to pull up fact finding evidence that I make mention with the click of a mouse in milliseconds. Which often times is just common knowledge.
Come on Bonn this has been known for a while now that Kobe shoots the Lakers out of games.....
This would be like someone asking a poster to show evidence by the numbers that Carmelo and Amar'e don't play well together. Certain things are just common knowledge.
Thanks MKS
Bonn1997 wrote:Anji wrote:Is Bronn an official SomberMember??? I never thought so, he is a numbers man to me. He doesn't make shit up or change his standards to fit the player like other posters around here.
IDK. I am the most positive commentator here on Tyson's and Kidd's performances. When they are the topic of discussion, most posters here seem to be in the somber group to me
Say "Mr .470" quietly to yourself. In a positive way. Think happy thoughts about Denver rebuilding. Dream of draft picks and flexibility.
The sky is positively not falling!
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:tkf wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:Now Bonn show/prove that the individuals who hold votes for MVP voting use Win Shares and Wins Produce to make their selections?
Huh? I never said they did. They should but I never said they did.
As they should use other advanced stats. Look I'm not debating if Kobe isn't a better player than Melo I agree he is, even this season but Kobe shouldn't be in the Top 5 of MVP voting no matter what criteria should or shouldn't be used.
In all major sports, players from poor teams have gotten MVP votes if not the actual award (like A-Rod). If you feel the MVP needs to be on a very good team, I can respect that choice. Team record confounds the player's contribution with the contributions of his teammates, though. I prefer using an unconfounded assessment - just looking at the player's own performance.
BONN WHIle I agree somewhat, A-rod won MVP on a poor team because his numbers were great across the board, he was near the top if not the top in most categories, and his impact on the game was amazing.. he was filling stadiums wherever he went..
It seems as if most on this forum used the carmelo for MVP argument simply because the knicks were playing well, otherwise why would we even discuss carmelo in the MVP race as others have better overall stats....
so while kobe is a better player than carmelo.. that is not even an argument for me, and he is having a great scoring and shooting season, heck even rebounding and assist he is doing very well, his team is still not playing well and they have a lot of talent, even if he feels they are old.. It is hard to justify him as MVP at this point... this point!.. now if the lakers are a playoff team, then that may change.... but so far he is getting a lot of good numbers for himself, but what is it doing for his team? so far this guy has been anything but a leader with his comments.. it seems more divisive..
Stop it tkf! Stop it 3G4G!
You're not supposed to go against your Somberite brethren. 
23-10. The edges of the League of Six are starting to fray. Positively hilarious stuff.
OGkush121 wrote:I used to mind people putting Melo down for no good reason in order to try to make a silly point and go into all kinds of trouble for it, but now it just makes me laugh.I'm just enjoying the ride, Melo's playing amazing basketball and I don't have to look through every nook and crany to try to prove otherwise.
Melo's playing great, the Knicks are playing great.
Problem? well, there shouldn't be one but obviously there is :)
Oh and if you're going to continue to talk about Kobe just make another thread why don't you?
+1 OGkushSomberista codespeak: talking about Kobe is stealth Melo hate.
TAKE OFF the love blinders... if you pay attention the argument against kobe actually helps carmelo.... yikes..
Did you actually just type "help carmelo"??????
Who are you and what have you done with tkf????? Identity theft is against the law in this country, you know...
3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
You'd think someone like Bonn who is really interested in the Metrics and making cases for certain players would have his bases covered. Yet keeps asking for posters such as myself and not toot my own but I pay attention to a lot of stuff and I knew without having scour the internet for fact finding evidence for discussing that certain are what they are.
But I find this funny even in our disagreements on on subject matters mrknickshots and we have disagreed like last night you're able to pull up fact finding evidence that I make mention with the click of a mouse in milliseconds. Which often times is just common knowledge.
Come on Bonn this has been known for a while now that Kobe shoots the Lakers out of games.....
This would be like someone asking a poster to show evidence by the numbers that Carmelo and Amar'e don't play well together. Certain things are just common knowledge.
Thanks MKS
If there are data you want me to examine, you can post them. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.
Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
Not everything is quantified or qualified by metrics. At least not yet since the practice of sabermetrics in basketball is a small sample size in itself. 150 pages of validation data will look like a silly joke in 5 years when they will have +100,000 of pages and actually figure out how to better cross reference them.
Unfortunately with players like Kobe, there is no "is he dick" stat to see what he is doing to his team. Chemistry-killer is not a stat yet though I am sure they will compile enough data and AI to someday get closer.
If you just wanna be a pioneer at this point and lobby that this is more than what it is at this point, be my guest.
Kobe has messed up your position and always will.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
Not everything is quantified or qualified by metrics. At least not yet since the practice of sabermetrics in basketball is a small sample size in itself. 150 pages of validation data will look like a silly joke in 5 years when they will have +100,000 of pages and actually figure out how to better cross reference them.
Unfortunately with players like Kobe, there is no "is he dick" stat to see what he is doing to his team. Chemistry-killer is not a stat yet though I am sure they will compile enough data and AI to someday get closer.
If you just wanna be a pioneer at this point and lobby that this is more than what it is at this point, be my guest.
Kobe has messed up your position and always will.
I don't see what he's messed up. I never said it was impossible for an outstanding player to be on a bad team.
mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
Not everything is quantified or qualified by metrics. At least not yet since the practice of sabermetrics in basketball is a small sample size in itself. 150 pages of validation data will look like a silly joke in 5 years when they will have +100,000 of pages and actually figure out how to better cross reference them.
Unfortunately with players like Kobe, there is no "is he dick" stat to see what he is doing to his team. Chemistry-killer is not a stat yet though I am sure they will compile enough data and AI to someday get closer.
If you just wanna be a pioneer at this point and lobby that this is more than what it is at this point, be my guest.
Kobe has messed up your position and always will.
You post a link to what I factual stated...the link shows in December, they were 12-14. When Kobe shoots over 20fga/gm Lakers are 4-11, when he shoots less than 20fga/gm they are 8-3...Since this time they have gone 3-4 with Nash back mind you and the numbers stay the course....
Kobe has blown his stance to smithereens
bryant is at a career high for 59.2TS% and a career-high 48FG% which is great
his usg/ast ratio is at his career average of 1.32 which is pretty good for a shooting guard
he is dishing out 4-5 assists a game which is good
but bryant takes 22 shots a game-- that's about 4-5 too many and is certainly one main problem with the lakers this season.
why is that too many?
for starters, he is no longer the focal point of a triangle offense, which stresses wing players as catalysts. brown had the wrong idea of running a princeton offense because it squanders nash and bryant's talents even if it slightly enhances gasol's-- as i understand the princeton offense it relies on a good passing big man in the high post and a weave above the circle. i could have that wrong.
meanwhile i think d'antoni has the right idea of wanting to fully utilize the pick and roll and the passing prowess of nash, especially with howard there, although i am not particularly smitten with howard's hands.
but outside of the triangle offense no player has any business taking more than 18 shots a game ideally. "ideally" means you have teammates who are capable of shooting the ball and making plays.
bryant 22 shots
howard 11 shots
gasol 12 shots
artest 11 shots
nash 8 shots
that imbalance is just not going to fly. the biggest disparity is nash -- still the best shooter in the nba-- taking only 8 shots a game.
bryant would be more useful to his team's cause if he were to take closer to 16 shots a game. but because he is a vain and clueless douche that is unlikely to happen.
dk7th wrote:bryant is at a career high for 59.2TS% and a career-high 48FG% which is great
his usg/ast ratio is at his career average of 1.32 which is pretty good for a shooting guard
he is dishing out 4-5 assists a game which is goodbut bryant takes 22 shots a game-- that's about 4-5 too many and is certainly one main problem with the lakers this season.
why is that too many?
for starters, he is no longer the focal point of a triangle offense, which stresses wing players as catalysts. brown had the wrong idea of running a princeton offense because it squanders nash and bryant's talents even if it slightly enhances gasol's-- as i understand the princeton offense it relies on a good passing big man in the high post and a weave above the circle. i could have that wrong.
meanwhile i think d'antoni has the right idea of wanting to fully utilize the pick and roll and the passing prowess of nash, especially with howard there, although i am not particularly smitten with howard's hands.
but outside of the triangle offense no player has any business taking more than 18 shots a game ideally. "ideally" means you have teammates who are capable of shooting the ball and making plays.
bryant 22 shots
howard 11 shots
gasol 12 shots
artest 11 shots
nash 8 shots
that imbalance is just not going to fly. the biggest disparity is nash -- still the best shooter in the nba-- taking only 8 shots a game.
bryant would be more useful to his team's cause if he were to take closer to 16 shots a game. but because he is a vain and clueless douche that is unlikely to happen.
This past December and current January
(Recent)11-26
15-25
14-29
9-18
13-24
14-24
16-41(Nash's Return)
11-24
12-21
9-29
10-24
16-28
9-24
11-24
10-17
14-31
(Oldest)12-27
LOL @ KOME MYSELF AND I. He's shooting 28FGA/gm since Nash's return DISGRACEPALM!....Hardy Har Har Har
Anji wrote:The New York Knicks' Carmelo Anthony and the Houston Rockets' James Harden today were named Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Week, respectively, for games played Monday, Dec. 31 through Sunday, Jan. 6.Anthony, who topped the league in scoring at 36.0 ppg, led New York to a 2-1 week, including a home victory over the San Antonio Spurs. He bookended the week with a pair of 40-point performances against the Portland Trail Blazers on Jan. 1 and the Orlando Magic on Dec. 5. His 45 points against the Blazers tied this season's single-game high (accomplished three times, twice by Anthony and once by Harden).
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba...
3 for Lebron
2 for Durrant
2 for Carmelo
2 for Harden
1 for Paul
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/awards/...
I dunno, Looks like Melo doing as much work as anybody not name Lebron to me.
3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
Not everything is quantified or qualified by metrics. At least not yet since the practice of sabermetrics in basketball is a small sample size in itself. 150 pages of validation data will look like a silly joke in 5 years when they will have +100,000 of pages and actually figure out how to better cross reference them.
Unfortunately with players like Kobe, there is no "is he dick" stat to see what he is doing to his team. Chemistry-killer is not a stat yet though I am sure they will compile enough data and AI to someday get closer.
If you just wanna be a pioneer at this point and lobby that this is more than what it is at this point, be my guest.
Kobe has messed up your position and always will.
You post a link to what I factual stated...the link shows in December, they were 12-14. When Kobe shoots over 20fga/gm Lakers are 4-11, when he shoots less than 20fga/gm they are 8-3...Since this time they have gone 3-4 with Nash back mind you and the numbers stay the course....
Kobe has blown his stance to smithereens
I think I see what the issue is: You are confusing correlation and causation. If fewer shot attempts (in this small sample) are correlated with more wins, you're incorrectly concluding that the fewer shot attempts must be causing the wins.
This link may help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation...
3G4G wrote:dk7th wrote:bryant is at a career high for 59.2TS% and a career-high 48FG% which is great
his usg/ast ratio is at his career average of 1.32 which is pretty good for a shooting guard
he is dishing out 4-5 assists a game which is goodbut bryant takes 22 shots a game-- that's about 4-5 too many and is certainly one main problem with the lakers this season.
why is that too many?
for starters, he is no longer the focal point of a triangle offense, which stresses wing players as catalysts. brown had the wrong idea of running a princeton offense because it squanders nash and bryant's talents even if it slightly enhances gasol's-- as i understand the princeton offense it relies on a good passing big man in the high post and a weave above the circle. i could have that wrong.
meanwhile i think d'antoni has the right idea of wanting to fully utilize the pick and roll and the passing prowess of nash, especially with howard there, although i am not particularly smitten with howard's hands.
but outside of the triangle offense no player has any business taking more than 18 shots a game ideally. "ideally" means you have teammates who are capable of shooting the ball and making plays.
bryant 22 shots
howard 11 shots
gasol 12 shots
artest 11 shots
nash 8 shots
that imbalance is just not going to fly. the biggest disparity is nash -- still the best shooter in the nba-- taking only 8 shots a game.
bryant would be more useful to his team's cause if he were to take closer to 16 shots a game. but because he is a vain and clueless douche that is unlikely to happen.
This past December and current January
(Recent)11-26
15-25
14-29
9-18
13-24
14-24
16-41(Nash's Return)
11-24
12-21
9-29
10-24
16-28
9-24
11-24
10-17
14-31
(Oldest)12-27
LOL @ KOME MYSELF AND I. He's shooting 28FGA/gm since Nash's return DISGRACEPALM!....Hardy Har Har Har
That is both impressive and scary for a guy his age! 
Nobody 34 years old should ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
Repeat after me Bonn
ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
shoot 41 times in a game. Not even God himself (Michael Jordan) when he was 34 years of age shot 41 times in a game in the regular season or playoffs.
Kobe is a selfish prick douchebag asshole coach killing chucker that is not only killing his team with his play but killing Bonn's WS/48 argument.
ChuckBuck wrote:3G4G wrote:dk7th wrote:bryant is at a career high for 59.2TS% and a career-high 48FG% which is great
his usg/ast ratio is at his career average of 1.32 which is pretty good for a shooting guard
he is dishing out 4-5 assists a game which is goodbut bryant takes 22 shots a game-- that's about 4-5 too many and is certainly one main problem with the lakers this season.
why is that too many?
for starters, he is no longer the focal point of a triangle offense, which stresses wing players as catalysts. brown had the wrong idea of running a princeton offense because it squanders nash and bryant's talents even if it slightly enhances gasol's-- as i understand the princeton offense it relies on a good passing big man in the high post and a weave above the circle. i could have that wrong.
meanwhile i think d'antoni has the right idea of wanting to fully utilize the pick and roll and the passing prowess of nash, especially with howard there, although i am not particularly smitten with howard's hands.
but outside of the triangle offense no player has any business taking more than 18 shots a game ideally. "ideally" means you have teammates who are capable of shooting the ball and making plays.
bryant 22 shots
howard 11 shots
gasol 12 shots
artest 11 shots
nash 8 shots
that imbalance is just not going to fly. the biggest disparity is nash -- still the best shooter in the nba-- taking only 8 shots a game.
bryant would be more useful to his team's cause if he were to take closer to 16 shots a game. but because he is a vain and clueless douche that is unlikely to happen.
This past December and current January
(Recent)11-26
15-25
14-29
9-18
13-24
14-24
16-41(Nash's Return)
11-24
12-21
9-29
10-24
16-28
9-24
11-24
10-17
14-31
(Oldest)12-27
LOL @ KOME MYSELF AND I. He's shooting 28FGA/gm since Nash's return DISGRACEPALM!....Hardy Har Har Har
That is both impressive and scary for a guy his age!
Nobody 34 years old should ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
Repeat after me Bonn
ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever
shoot 41 times in a game. Not even God himself (Michael Jordan) when he was 34 years of age shot 41 times in a game in the regular season or playoffs.
Kobe is a selfish prick douchebag asshole coach killing chucker that is not only killing his team with his play but killing Bonn's WS/48 argument.
I agree. I never defended every game of his.
You guys really love to argue against claims I never made.
3G4G wrote:Carmelo Anthony EC Player of the weekJames Harden WC Player of the week
http://www.nba.com/news/players-of-the-w...
Without question too.
45 points, 7 boards, 4 assists, 1 steal and only 2 turnovers against Portland.
23 points, 8 boards, 3 assists, 0 steals and only 2 turnovers against San Antonio.
40 points, 6 boards, 6 assists, 1 steal and only 1 turnovers against Orlando.
During those three games, Melo shot 35/73 from the field and 23/27 from the line.
Melo's offense can not be stopped. When focused and in the zone? His offensive ability is Michael Jordan like.
Aren't the Lakers around 6th in off efficiency? I'm not sure that's where their problem lies.
Bonn1997 wrote:3G4G wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:If you say I flip flop enough times...it still isn't true. I value WS and WP. Flip-flopping would mean that I only sometimes value them but you haven't established that to be the case.
You're presenting a new argument here about Kobe's shot totals in wins and losses. If you have data you want me to take a look at, I will.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow/...
It's hard to know what to make of that. We can come up with many explanations other than the idea that Kobe's taking shots is causing the team to lose. (Maybe when the team is losing and he sees his teammates struggling, he then decides to shoot more?) The following players also are shooting less in wins than in losses: Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony (only a slight difference), Kevin Durant, Stephen Curry, Chris Bosh, and Zach Randolph
Not everything is quantified or qualified by metrics. At least not yet since the practice of sabermetrics in basketball is a small sample size in itself. 150 pages of validation data will look like a silly joke in 5 years when they will have +100,000 of pages and actually figure out how to better cross reference them.
Unfortunately with players like Kobe, there is no "is he dick" stat to see what he is doing to his team. Chemistry-killer is not a stat yet though I am sure they will compile enough data and AI to someday get closer.
If you just wanna be a pioneer at this point and lobby that this is more than what it is at this point, be my guest.
Kobe has messed up your position and always will.
You post a link to what I factual stated...the link shows in December, they were 12-14. When Kobe shoots over 20fga/gm Lakers are 4-11, when he shoots less than 20fga/gm they are 8-3...Since this time they have gone 3-4 with Nash back mind you and the numbers stay the course....
Kobe has blown his stance to smithereens
I think I see what the issue is: You are confusing correlation and causation. If fewer shot attempts (in this small sample) are correlated with more wins, you're incorrectly concluding that the fewer shot attempts must be causing the wins.
This link may help you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation...
Ha Ha Ha...Ha Ha(Fake Laugh in cheesy Chinese Kung Fu Flick Style) I see Bonn still stubborn in continual denial...
Let's look at Kobe's career over a few yrs(my numbers are very minimally/slightly off as I didn't check to see if Kobe played all 82gms each season) it would have more bearing on what the team overall record was when he shot 20 or more FGAs. I simply did subtraction from when he shot less... as we'll see it won't matter. Even if you fact check games he missed it's not going to make the other numbers better by much. The games in which he shot less than 20FGA are accurate because I actually counted them......
Okay you might want to take a seat for this one, look long and hard at these numbers, try not to blink your eyes rapidly in shock because the numbers are that revealing
2011-2012 Lakers Record when Kobe shoots less than 20FGA 10-3 77%2011-2012 Lakers Record when Kobe shoots 20FGA or more 31-22 58%
2010-2011 Lakers record when Kobe shoots less than 20FGA 35-8 81%
2010-2011 Lakers record when Kobe shoots 20FGA or more 22-17 56%
2009-2010 Lakers record when Kobe shoots less than 20FGA 23-5 82%
2009-2010 Lakers record when Kobe shoots 20FGA or more 34-20 63%
Coorelation and Causation have nothing to do with these Pure Ownage Metrics. The Lakers have greater success when Kobe shoots less. This is a simple reality. It's just COLD HARD FACTS smacking you in the face.
And What A Sample This Was.....How did Sheed put it?
GOD BLESS AND GOODNIGHT!
