Knicks · Does Anyone Appreciate How Well Raymond Felton Is Playing? (page 16)

NYKBocker wrote:Felton is most effective when he plays within his limitations. He gets in trouble when he starts taking over games. Against the Rockets, he should have run more PnR. Also, when somebody is hot, he tends to not give them the ball back. Like Clyde said in the broadcast, the PG has to know who has the hot hand.

Yeah what's up with that? It seemed to really irritate Clyde cause he said they were "freezing Copeland out" more than once.

knickscity wrote:Felton is a big reason we don't turn over the ball alot, unlike Lin.

I'm quite happy, better fit, better player, has NY heart.

And helped us beat a team in their building that we haven't been able to do in years.

just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

tkf wrote:just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

Before you request a retraction, it might be a good idea to let the season get to the halfway mark.

Never claimed Raymond Felton was perfect. Only Lin is perfect. That is why he is third in All Star balloting. Third.

misterearl wrote:Absolutely

tkf wrote:just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

Before you request a retraction, it might be a good idea to let the season get to the halfway mark.

Never claimed Raymond Felton was perfect. Only Lin is perfect. That is why he is third in All Star balloting. Third.

I have always stood by lin being the better player with a better upside.. it was threads like this where people not only proclaimed their love for felton but had to take digs at lin.. No that wasn't good enough that felton was playing well, but they had to take a dump on lin.. and they did so, very early.. that is my Point MR earl.. You are asking me to wait.. but I have been saying the same thing when:

The brewer threads started on how great he was...

The felton love thread...

Melo MVP....

and the list goes on and on....

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Felton is a big reason we don't turn over the ball alot, unlike Lin.

I'm quite happy, better fit, better player, has NY heart.

And helped us beat a team in their building that we haven't been able to do in years.

just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

Just wondering, would you like to withdraw your question?

Knicks' Raymond Felton battling bone bruises on both hands
Published: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 9:40 AM
Updated: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 9:49 AM

By Tony Williams, NJ.com

Raymond Felton has had a rough couple of weeks, and last night’s 109-96 beatdown at the hands of Jeremy Lin and the Houston Rockets didn't help matters.

Already nursing a bone bruise in his left hand, Felton acknowledged following Lin’s revenge game that he also has a bone bruise on his right hand. And according to the veteran point guard, his right hand injury, which he suffered in the win over the Lakers, last week, actually causes more discomfort than the left hand that he injured two weeks ago.

Perhaps the hand problems led to Felton’s subpar performance, as he shot just 7-of-18 for 14 points, including 0-of-4 from behind the arc. He also had four assists to three turnovers, as his team-high giveaways led to the Knicks’ season-high 17 turnovers.

But Felton, who admittedly carries a chip on his shoulder due to the criticism he got over his poor conditioning last season in Portland, and also the fact that he’s the replacement for the widely popular Linsanity movement, declined to give excuses for his performance last night and was gracious to the guy who came before him.
“He had a good game. I’ve never talked junk about Jeremy. Everything I’ve said about him [is that] he deserved everything he got,” Felton said, adding Lin was a much tougher cover than the last time they met when he struggled with his shot. “When he gets it to his right hand, he’s good at exploding.”

Ever the stand-up guy, Felton made sure to not use his hands as an excuse for his lackluster performance. But there may be something to the theory that the Rockets just have his number, because he didn’t have an injured hand in last month’s meeting when he and the team committed 16 turnovers. As a matter of fact, the Knicks’ two highest turnover games have come against the Rockets. Such careless protection of the ball has led to the Rockets earning the season series sweep.

Last night needs to be quickly put behind Felton and the team in general, said center Tyson Chandler. The veteran pivot said he’ll do whatever it takes to help his teammates get over the loss, and will particularly help his pick-and-roll mate delete his Houston performances from his memory. Chandler then added that he still has the utmost confidence that Felton will bounce back in a big way, starting with their next game, tomorrow night.

“Raymond has a lot of pride and he got down on himself [last night], but it’s just one game,” said Chandler. “But overall, he’s been playing incredibly the entire season. He had a bad shooting night, but we’ll put the emphasis on that it was just one bad game. He’ll bounce back, no doubt.”

So, while Felton now has to nurse two bruised hands, he’ll at least have today and tomorrow to salve his bruised ego as well. It’s never easy when your highly-popular predecessor bests you two out of two opportunities. But he’ll need to get his mind right quickly with the Brooklyn Nets ready to invade the Garden tomorrow night.

http://www.nj.com/knicks/index.ssf/2012/12/knicks_raymond_felton_battling.html

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Ray will be okay. He's a trooper for playing hurt, knowing how undermanned the team already is.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Felton is a big reason we don't turn over the ball alot, unlike Lin.

I'm quite happy, better fit, better player, has NY heart.

And helped us beat a team in their building that we haven't been able to do in years.

just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

Player Name ......Win Count.......Stats Won
Lin, Jeremy .............5.............FG%, FT%, REB, STL, BLK
Felton, Raymond....9.............EFF, PTS, FGM, 3PM, AST, ASTTO, FGA, 3PA, TOS

Just wondering, would you like to withdraw your question?

no it stands... with all of the negative felton comments now, I am wondering if he still feels the same.. why should i withdraw it...

nicos
December 18, 2012 at 2:28 am

For this team Felton>>>Lin. Why? He’s better PNR player- much better. Last year Lin averaged .8 ppp on the pnr (that includes turning it over a whopping 25.9% of the time). This year Felton is averaging .79 ppp on the pnr and turning it over 12.9% of the time. Well, you could say, even with the turnovers Lin is still averaging a bit more in terms of ppp so he’s better. But, lets look at how the roll man is doing- Chandler’s been far better with Felton. He’s the number one roll man in the league, averaging 1.44 ppp and turning it over just 3.5% of the time. Last year he averaged 1.18 ppp and turned it over 11.2% of the time as the roll man. Now that includes the rest of the season where he was running it with other guys but considering his TS% was .664 with Lin starting (actually worse than he averaged without him) and his turnovers pretty much the same- 17.2 with, 17.1 without- I don’t think you can say those numbers are misleading. Yes, Kidd is helping and Chandler’s numbers were probably hurt by the wrist injury last year but those numbers aren’t even remotely close. Also, Felton’s low turnover numbers have a real benefit that doesn’t show up in the ppp numbers- he gets the ball up to the rim more often and as we’ve seen Chandler has gotten a ton of putbacks on those shots. You can’t get a putback off of a turnover. Given how often the Knick run pnr with Felton/Chandler those numbers outweigh any vague intangibles you might claim on Lin’s behalf.

HARDCOREKNICKSFAN wrote:Ray will be okay. He's a trooper for playing hurt, knowing how undermanned the team already is.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Felton is a big reason we don't turn over the ball alot, unlike Lin.

I'm quite happy, better fit, better player, has NY heart.

And helped us beat a team in their building that we haven't been able to do in years.

just curious, and not trying to bait at all.. I would like to know.. do you still feel the same way about this post?

Player Name ......Win Count.......Stats Won
Lin, Jeremy .............5.............FG%, FT%, REB, STL, BLK
Felton, Raymond....9.............EFF, PTS, FGM, 3PM, AST, ASTTO, FGA, 3PA, TOS

Just wondering, would you like to withdraw your question?

no it stands... with all of the negative felton comments now, I am wondering if he still feels the same.. why should i withdraw it...

So... you're defending Felton, or pumping Lin? Just wondering.

Our backcourt will be watched closely. Prigi Smalls and JR Smith will need to develop better feel for each other. As Steve Novak has hot and cold nights, one objective is to allow Novak consistent touches. Novak can also help his cause by continuing to grab rebounds.

Novak and Sheed already have some court time together. Sheed and Amar'e are strangers in game action. Whether Amar'e plays the four or five will be a strategic challenge for Mike Woodson.

Like Carmelo, Amar'e could use his quickness against less mobile forwards like Hakeem taught him. Sheed could also be posted down low, or swing outside for jump shots by design. Last night, the Knicks second quarter was the point of collapse. The new equation, if players can learn to trust individual roles, could prove to be the Knicks greatest asset during second and third quarters.

C'mon son, this ain't rocket science; move your feet with as much gusto as you do on O!

jrdodmc - would you bring Novak or Cope as the first skill forward off the bench?

TeamBall wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Felton is most effective when he plays within his limitations. He gets in trouble when he starts taking over games. Against the Rockets, he should have run more PnR. Also, when somebody is hot, he tends to not give them the ball back. Like Clyde said in the broadcast, the PG has to know who has the hot hand.

Yeah what's up with that? It seemed to really irritate Clyde cause he said they were "freezing Copeland out" more than once.

they were not freezing copeland out, when he started to get going, he set the most ridiculous picks i ever saw, half ass and lazy..Instead of setting a hard pick, he set a half ass one, and back his way further in the paint. copeland is a scorer, those are one on one type players.

knicks1248 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Felton is most effective when he plays within his limitations. He gets in trouble when he starts taking over games. Against the Rockets, he should have run more PnR. Also, when somebody is hot, he tends to not give them the ball back. Like Clyde said in the broadcast, the PG has to know who has the hot hand.

Yeah what's up with that? It seemed to really irritate Clyde cause he said they were "freezing Copeland out" more than once.

they were not freezing copeland out, when he started to get going, he set the most ridiculous picks i ever saw, half ass and lazy..Instead of setting a hard pick, he set a half ass one, and back his way further in the paint. copeland is a scorer, those are one on one type players.

Copeland was the only guy who showed up. felton kidd and brewer were awful. Kidd and i love the guy but he was burned felton was eating cupcakes again and even Tyson who i love but he was awful

misterearl wrote:The Replacement Players

jrdodmc - would you bring Novak or Cope as the first skill forward off the bench?

answereth the AnswerMan: I don't like Novak starting, if that's what you're asking. He needs to sneak in and rain threes suddenly. When he's on the floor too much, it seems like opposing D's are ready for him and he disappears on O.

Cope has the ability to be good spot starter.

Novak comes off the bench before Cope does, though. Until his D and morale improve. Captain Woody needs to beat the bench more! Arrrrrrrrrgh, matey!

Raymond Felton can make himself better by not dropping his focus on the dribble. Waiting for players to get in position for set plays, as he dribbles, his occasional habit of looking down tips off the defender on the timing. With his head down, his teammates also know he cannot see them. The simple fix is for Raymond to be aware of his body language at all times, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

Pablo has his head up at all times.

misterearl wrote:Red On Roundball

Raymond Felton can make himself better by not dropping his focus on the dribble. Waiting for players to get in position for set plays, as he dribbles, his occasional habit of looking down tips off the defender on the timing. With his head down, his teammates also know he cannot see them. The simple fix is for Raymond to be aware of his body language at all times, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

Pablo has his head up at all times.

True.

Hard to teach at this point. He just does not have good court vision. Can he change? Who knows but I have not seen it happen this late in ones career.

mrKnickShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Red On Roundball

Raymond Felton can make himself better by not dropping his focus on the dribble. Waiting for players to get in position for set plays, as he dribbles, his occasional habit of looking down tips off the defender on the timing. With his head down, his teammates also know he cannot see them. The simple fix is for Raymond to be aware of his body language at all times, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

Pablo has his head up at all times.

True.

Hard to teach at this point. He just does not have good court vision. Can he change? Who knows but I have not seen it happen this late in ones career.

Felton's "court vision" is one click away from being elite. Averaging 7 assists per game could be 9 with the minor posture ajustment. With that said, Van Gundy just alluded to Ray's ability to generate offense when the defender goes under the screen. Tyson's roll is made that much more effective when Raymond makes a few jumpers to keep them honest.

He will learn from Jason Kidd.

mrKnickShot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Red On Roundball

Raymond Felton can make himself better by not dropping his focus on the dribble. Waiting for players to get in position for set plays, as he dribbles, his occasional habit of looking down tips off the defender on the timing. With his head down, his teammates also know he cannot see them. The simple fix is for Raymond to be aware of his body language at all times, not get stuck in tunnel vision.

Pablo has his head up at all times.

True.

Hard to teach at this point. He just does not have good court vision. Can he change? Who knows but I have not seen it happen this late in ones career.

i believe you can work on dribbling with your head up as a basketball skill when you are young enough and your brain is still forming. if you rely on athleticism to get over and don't work on developing skills during your teen years it eventually catches up with you.

felton does not have good court vision because court vision is a natural gift and he does not possess that gift. even if he had that gift, what good is it if you dribble with your head down?

it's too late to learn.

felton has two problems, one he does not dribble with his head up and two, he cannot maintain his dribble. hence it makes orchestrating next to impossible.