Knicks · Does Anyone Appreciate How Well Raymond Felton Is Playing? (page 18)
VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...
holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...
1. Tyson was DPOY last season. I don't think he needs Felton to make him look good.
2. If he's playing so well and he's the engine driving the offense why did Woodson bench him in the 4h quarter last night?
VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...1. Tyson was DPOY last season. I don't think he needs Felton to make him look good.
2. If he's playing so well and he's the engine driving the offense why did Woodson bench him in the 4h quarter last night?
Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...
holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...1. Tyson was DPOY last season. I don't think he needs Felton to make him look good.
2. If he's playing so well and he's the engine driving the offense why did Woodson bench him in the 4h quarter last night?
Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...
The number of alley oops Tyson has is meaningless in a vacuum. Tell me where he was the last several years as well and then we can talk. Meanwhile, I can tell you that Tyson has been steadily improving offensively for the last several years.
2009-10: 22.8 MPG; 6.5 PPG; 57.4 FG%; 64.3 TS%; 57.4 eFG%
2010-11: 27.8 MPG; 10.1 PPG; 65.4 FG%; 69.7 TS%; 65.4 eFG%
2011-12: 33.2 MPG; 11.3 PPG; 67.9 FG%; 70.8 TS%; 67.9 eFG%
2012-12: 31.4 MPG; 13 PPG; 70.3 FG%; 72.4 TS%; 70.e eFG%
VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...1. Tyson was DPOY last season. I don't think he needs Felton to make him look good.
2. If he's playing so well and he's the engine driving the offense why did Woodson bench him in the 4h quarter last night?
Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...The number of alley oops Tyson has is meaningless in a vacuum. Tell me where he was the last several years as well and then we can talk. Meanwhile, I can tell you that Tyson has been steadily improving offensively for the last several years.
2009-10: 22.8 MPG; 6.5 PPG; 57.4 FG%; 64.3 TS%; 57.4 eFG%
2010-11: 27.8 MPG; 10.1 PPG; 65.4 FG%; 69.7 TS%; 65.4 eFG%
2011-12: 33.2 MPG; 11.3 PPG; 67.9 FG%; 70.8 TS%; 67.9 eFG%
2012-12: 31.4 MPG; 13 PPG; 70.3 FG%; 72.4 TS%; 70.e eFG%
If you are an honest arbiter ,how many of those points or what percentage would you say Tyson has created on his own this year??...20% if that much??
holfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...
holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:VCoug wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Felton is either going to play himself into getting traded or benched.In either case the Knicks win.
Here's hoping you're right.
Did someone say Knicks win???..We are 19-6 with Felton being aggressive and getting into the lane..Making Chandler look like an all star... Giving JKidd wide open looks...Giving Brewer wide open looks until he stops knocking them down...His shot selection certainly needs to improve and we have the rest of the season for that to happen...Who on this roster don't need improvement??..U guys are missing the whole point of Felton's aggressiveness...Pay attention, It's the engine that is driving the offense...What masked man dare bench Felton???..19-6 fellas...Chew on that..
Aren't you guys wondering why Woody isn't hollering at Felton??..He is putting him up to it...1. Tyson was DPOY last season. I don't think he needs Felton to make him look good.
2. If he's playing so well and he's the engine driving the offense why did Woodson bench him in the 4h quarter last night?
Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...The number of alley oops Tyson has is meaningless in a vacuum. Tell me where he was the last several years as well and then we can talk. Meanwhile, I can tell you that Tyson has been steadily improving offensively for the last several years.
2009-10: 22.8 MPG; 6.5 PPG; 57.4 FG%; 64.3 TS%; 57.4 eFG%
2010-11: 27.8 MPG; 10.1 PPG; 65.4 FG%; 69.7 TS%; 65.4 eFG%
2011-12: 33.2 MPG; 11.3 PPG; 67.9 FG%; 70.8 TS%; 67.9 eFG%
2012-12: 31.4 MPG; 13 PPG; 70.3 FG%; 72.4 TS%; 70.e eFG%If you are an honest arbiter ,how many of those points or what percentage would you say Tyson has created on his own this year??...20% if that much??
How any points did he create on his own last year? The year before? Why is he averaging twice as many points this year as opposed to 2009-10 when he also played with Felton?
misterearl wrote:We Are Lob Cityholfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
This isn't about Lin so stop trying to make it about him. If we lost in the playoffs because Felon pulls a Kobe in the 04 Finals then no one's going to care if he's better than Lin all that's going to matter is that we lost.
That Felton takes the second most shots for New York and shoots more per minute than even J.R. Smith, all while shooting a lower percentage than any Knick besides Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby, is not troubling in itself. The attention he draws can help the offense, even when he misses. But they have to be right misses; the ones that have the greatest chance to quickly become baskets for his Knicks teammates.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/should-felton-be-shooting-so-much/
Inquiring minds want to know.
misterearl wrote:Should Felton Be Shooting So Much?That Felton takes the second most shots for New York and shoots more per minute than even J.R. Smith, all while shooting a lower percentage than any Knick besides Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby, is not troubling in itself. The attention he draws can help the offense, even when he misses. But they have to be right misses; the ones that have the greatest chance to quickly become baskets for his Knicks teammates.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/should-felton-be-shooting-so-much/
Inquiring minds want to know.
Ray Charles can see this...Felton does need to be more judicious when he shoots but he has to keep shooting...It's still December, he has the rest of the year to figure out when to go and when not to go...Felton will take even less shots when Amare is in gear...But he has to remain aggressive...I can't wait...Man I ain't worried about no steenkin Felton...
misterearl wrote:We Are Lob Cityholfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
alley oops are what inferior point guards resort to when they cannot dribble or pass in traffic, or maintain their dribble. you will note that this is what baron davis relied upon.
the alley oop has been an effective play but it not a substitute for orchestrating and distributing the ball. the point guard's main job is to get everyone involved and make others better.
misterearl wrote:Should Felton Be Shooting So Much?That Felton takes the second most shots for New York and shoots more per minute than even J.R. Smith, all while shooting a lower percentage than any Knick besides Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby, is not troubling in itself. The attention he draws can help the offense, even when he misses. But they have to be right misses; the ones that have the greatest chance to quickly become baskets for his Knicks teammates.
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/should-felton-be-shooting-so-much/
Inquiring minds want to know.
I've read about the whole good misses thing. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8719...
But no statistic in the world will ever convince me that taking 16 shots/game and converting 39% of them is good for a team.
dk7th wrote:misterearl wrote:We Are Lob Cityholfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
alley oops are what inferior point guards resort to when they cannot dribble or pass in traffic, or maintain their dribble. you will note that this is what baron davis relied upon.
the alley oop has been an effective play but it not a substitute for orchestrating and distributing the ball. the point guard's main job is to get everyone involved and make others better.
Well in that case...How are JKidd open looks, he looks like he has a second life in NY... Brewer from the corner, Chandler under the basket when everyone in the gym knows it coming..A few more games of this and Chandler will be an all star..That inferior PG helped us to 19-6 and counting...Winning my man...Winning is all that matters...He is running the team that has the best record in the East...
dk7th wrote:the point guard's main job is to get everyone involved and make others better.
Every big man loves to be rewarded for his extra effort on defense. Tyson Chandler does the dirty work inside and Raymond rewards him with looks. Tyson gets to dunk and flex for the crowd. Thanks to Felton, Chandler is mentioned in the same breath with one of the 5 greatest of all time, Wilt Chamberlain. Scoring opportunities keep Tyson alert and happy on the offensive end. If your big man is happy, everyone is happy. It works like magic.
Happy ballplayers are better ballplayers.
holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:misterearl wrote:We Are Lob Cityholfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
alley oops are what inferior point guards resort to when they cannot dribble or pass in traffic, or maintain their dribble. you will note that this is what baron davis relied upon.
the alley oop has been an effective play but it not a substitute for orchestrating and distributing the ball. the point guard's main job is to get everyone involved and make others better.
Well in that case...How are JKidd open looks, he looks like he has a second life in NY... Brewer from the corner, Chandler under the basket when everyone in the gym knows it coming..A few more games of this and Chandler will be an all star..That inferior PG helped us to 19-6 and counting...Winning my man...Winning is all that matters...He is running the team that has the best record in the East...
that is the result of team ball movement not felton's playmaking skills. when have you see felton make a pass from the top of the key or from the lane to hit brewer in the corner? you haven't because he doesn't. chandler doesn't catch a bounce pass in traffic because felton doesn't make that kind of pass. all the alley oop is a back door play above the rim. great but so what? kidd takes up a huge amount of slack for the backcourt.
dk7th wrote:that is the result of team ball movement not felton's playmaking skills. when have you see felton make a pass from the top of the key or from the lane to hit brewer in the corner? you haven't because he doesn't. chandler doesn't catch a bounce pass in traffic because felton doesn't make that kind of pass. all the alley oop is a back door play above the rim. great but so what? kidd takes up a huge amount of slack for the backcourt.
Since when were assists separated by variety?
19-6. Sheesh.
misterearl wrote:Is it just me, or is that a fresh gallon of strawberry haterade brewing?Sheesh just win baby The Answer mandk7th wrote:that is the result of team ball movement not felton's playmaking skills. when have you see felton make a pass from the top of the key or from the lane to hit brewer in the corner? you haven't because he doesn't. chandler doesn't catch a bounce pass in traffic because felton doesn't make that kind of pass. all the alley oop is a back door play above the rim. great but so what? kidd takes up a huge amount of slack for the backcourt.Since when were assists separated by variety?
19-6. Sheesh.
dk7th wrote:holfresh wrote:dk7th wrote:misterearl wrote:We Are Lob Cityholfresh wrote:Really..So u think Chandler can throw alley hoops to himself or better yet, create his own offense??...Chandler and Felton is the most prolific alley hoop tandem in the NBA...
He didn't get benched...The team was on a run extending the lead...Woody did the correct thing not breaking up the chemistry of the players on the court..Coaching, get used to it..
He re-entered the game at the 4 minute mark...Clyde, former Knick PG, Knick great, and all star..A guy who calls it like it is...Clyde is calling Felton an all star, I don't agree but he is saying Felton is having a better year than DWill...You want him benched...Think about that for one minute...19-6...
P.S....Chandler needs Felton on the court if he is thinking about being selected as an all star...holfresh - somehow, the magnification of Raymond Felton's fatal flaws is a byproduct of some deep seated resentment for losing "you know who." Whenever Felton takes one too many jumpers, it is instantly "a bad shot." To be certain, few can tolerate a 4/15 night in the box score - still, Felton does so many other things to drive the engine that the lack of forgiveness for his play is staggering.
Raymond Felton has a significant role for a NYKnicks team that is 19-6. Think about that a moment. Felton and Chandler lead the entire NBA on Alleys and Oops. The entire league.
We are good because of Felton. Not in spite of him.
alley oops are what inferior point guards resort to when they cannot dribble or pass in traffic, or maintain their dribble. you will note that this is what baron davis relied upon.
the alley oop has been an effective play but it not a substitute for orchestrating and distributing the ball. the point guard's main job is to get everyone involved and make others better.
Well in that case...How are JKidd open looks, he looks like he has a second life in NY... Brewer from the corner, Chandler under the basket when everyone in the gym knows it coming..A few more games of this and Chandler will be an all star..That inferior PG helped us to 19-6 and counting...Winning my man...Winning is all that matters...He is running the team that has the best record in the East...
that is the result of team ball movement not felton's playmaking skills. when have you see felton make a pass from the top of the key or from the lane to hit brewer in the corner? you haven't because he doesn't. chandler doesn't catch a bounce pass in traffic because felton doesn't make that kind of pass. all the alley oop is a back door play above the rim. great but so what? kidd takes up a huge amount of slack for the backcourt.
Then u need to start watching the games...U seem to be missing a huge part of the game...Quick, JKidd's game winning shot against the Nets, assist whom???...In the beginning of the season, how many bounce passes did you see Chandler miss??...How many times have u seen me call Chandler out for having bad hands??..Mostly off bounce passes in the lane from Felton...Watch the games, then expound...I agree there is good ball movement at times but how, for the life of me do u miss the attention Felton is drawing when he gets in the lane..Man are u blind or just another dude doing the spin of the facts to illustrate a slanted opinion??..Clyde is saying Felton is having a better season than DWill...He must be doing something right...All that don't matter tho...19-6 is all that matters...