misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert (with a sincere apology tomholfresh)I go back and forth with you guys arguing about the game and the team...I'm just amazed that many of you have no clue what Felton means to this team...I do understand he does take some god awful shots at times...He maybe needs to cut 5 to 7 shots out of his repertoire... But did you guys miss all of last season???..Do you guys not understand what stability he brings to the lineup and other player games...Do you not know what he means to JKidd's game, Chandler's game and even Melo to some extent...The defensive pressure he brings...20-8 with him in the line up is a coincidence...Amazing..I'm most concern about Amare and how he fits without Felton..
Raymond Felton is a significant part of our crazy, imperfect equation. Statistics do not measure his value on the court. Glue players are never pretty.
The difference without him is subtle. There is less sweet dripped on the floor.
Mike Woodson must monitor minutes by the minute.
You made some good points. I know I'm critical of Feltons game, but I and many of us were also critical of Melo's game and the Melo fans didn't like it. But Melo has really made a turn around in his game and the team has followed. I think that is all we are asking of Felton. Stop taking those 5 - 7 shots that are terrible per game. That is 25% - 33% of all his shots! That is insanely stupid play.
Glue players don't put up 20 shots per game, that is why we call them glue players as you don't really see all they do. That said, Felton is a huge help to this team. If he could just make better decisions upstairs, the guy would be a MUCH better player. I am hoping for him to make adjustments as Melo did. Felton will never see the floor better, but if he picks his head up and looks around, he will pick up more open players. He has an incredible handle, he can adjust his head and eyes.
We will see what happens with Prigs out there now. I didn't get to see last nights game, but did notice he had 8 or 9 assists in less than 20 minutes! There is hope. Looking forward to this.
earthman - well said. Especially on playing posture. Felton must reduce or eliminate his playground habit of sizing his opponent up with his shoulders slumped and eyes down. it is not personal. The longer Felton maintains this posture, at six feet, the longer he reduces his game to a one on one contest.
Ray's best role model would be Saints QB Drew Brees. At barely six feet, Brees has mastered the art of overcoming his lack of height with consistent upright posture, with head up, that allows him to find passing lanes to multiple receivers. Brees holds his head so high that he peers through the space between the upper and lower bars of his extra wide facemask.
Brees also works to convey a positive attitude at all times. Even after an interception, he never sulks. Never. He paces the sideline, fire in his eyes, reviewing instant photographs, anxious to get back on the field.
The good news is that Felton's "flaws" are fixable.
Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player
"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Yup. And we also miss his shooting late in games.
misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Yeah i miss 5-19 and 3-18
StarksEwing1 wrote:misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Yeah i miss 5-19 and 3-18
Nah Sugar-Woody-Daddy will fix him
misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Don't waste your time Earl..They are lost in metrics...Wins and losses are secondary..A PG who can run this offense and get others looks is secondary to TS%..They mocked Felton for making Chandler an offensive threat, saying he only knows how to lob...They said Prigs and JKidd was making Felton play well, they didn't know it was the other way around...I"m convinced they don't watch the games on MSG, they watch it on ESPN"s Game Center...
Holfresh - I think it is going to be a loooooong 4-6 weeks without Felton. As I've said before I've been critical of Felton but mostly cause I wanted him to play better - never was due to outright dislike of the guy. Though I still say he isn't the smartest pg, he ran the team well for all his shortcomings (bad court vision, poor shot selection, lack of adjustments, etc.) Well, now we get to see how much Feltons absence is hurting the team, especially considering our other PGs are old.
Regarding Felton and Kidd, I think they helped each other out immeasurably and in Feltons absence we will probably make that more apparent.
I am afraid the team is going to go into a slide now. Amare is going to destroy what semblance of defense we had left but hopefully Shump will right things in the backcourt.
I do hope not playing affects Felton in a good way though. It will just take time to get back into the flow...
holfresh wrote:
Don't waste your time Earl..They are lost in metrics...Wins and losses are secondary..A PG who can run this offense and get others looks is secondary to TS%..They mocked Felton for making Chandler an offensive threat, saying he only knows how to lob...They said Prigs and JKidd was making Felton play well, they didn't know it was the other way around...I"m convinced they don't watch the games on MSG, they watch it on ESPN"s Game Center...
holfresh - the responses from the usual suspects were anticipated and predictably devoid of nutritional elements.
With that said, during Felton's absence, a starting lineup with Pablo (accustomed to starting his entire career) and Kidd (relieved of prime ball handling work) would feel more comfortable. The Ronnie Brewer Experience (The RBE) can be put in storage.
Brewers defensive presence can be assumed by the taller (and better passing) Marcus Camby.
JR Smith is playing outstanding basketball. When he comes off the bench with Amare he can be trusted with advancing the ball in the backcourt on every other possession.
The court vision police are out in full force...The risky passes u want Felton to execute when he gets into the lane often garners high turnover numbers for other "smarter" PGs like Lin...If I had it my way, Felton low turnover/low risk ball handling is what I want for the playoffs...Flash over substance don't win rings..
We need Felton and a better back up point guard.
JR needs to start too, he is the second best player and best shooting guard on the knicks.
The Court Vision Police Have Blind Spots
holfresh - classic
Without Raymond Felton's super sized ego we have become over dependent on MeloMan to save the night. From the start, the NYK offense was so dominated by Melo that Portland rested on defense. Their guards were free to assert their superior quickness. Their lead ballooned to 18 WITH MeloMan shooting a high percentage. Imagine what would have happened if he shot as a normal Carmelo Anthony.
Who are we to second guess Raymond Felton's ERA - earned respect average (and his won-loss record) from a sofa?
Every starter has an imperfect role to play. You gotta have energy and tenacity from jump.
Has anybody seen my old friend Tyson Chandler?
holfresh wrote:misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Don't waste your time Earl..They are lost in metrics...Wins and losses are secondary..A PG who can run this offense and get others looks is secondary to TS%..They mocked Felton for making Chandler an offensive threat, saying he only knows how to lob...They said Prigs and JKidd was making Felton play well, they didn't know it was the other way around...I"m convinced they don't watch the games on MSG, they watch it on ESPN"s Game Center...
How did he turn Tyson into an offensive threat when he's putting up basically the same offensive numbers as last year?
VCoug wrote:holfresh wrote:misterearl wrote:Don't Shoot The Answer Man. He Is Just The Piano Player"We miss Raymond Felton's energy early in games."
- E. Smith, Atlanta (lifelong NYKnicks fan)
Don't waste your time Earl..They are lost in metrics...Wins and losses are secondary..A PG who can run this offense and get others looks is secondary to TS%..They mocked Felton for making Chandler an offensive threat, saying he only knows how to lob...They said Prigs and JKidd was making Felton play well, they didn't know it was the other way around...I"m convinced they don't watch the games on MSG, they watch it on ESPN"s Game Center...
How did he turn Tyson into an offensive threat when he's putting up basically the same offensive numbers as last year?
Don't waste your time VCoug. They are lost in evidence-blind Felton-love.
You're blindly attributing the success to the wrong person
Bonn1997 wrote:You're blindly attributing the success to the wrong person
felton shooting % has nothing to do with his effectiveness, he makes timely baskets when we need them, and penetrates better then any player we have
If you don't care about shooting percentage, if you think the difference between 39% and 50% shooting has no impact on a team, then we are not going to have any meaningful discussion.
I do agree that one of the weaknesses of the design of the team is the lack of players that can penetrate. We need someone who can penetrate and convert better than 39% of his shots.
Trader Joe's Seedless Raisins Are a Bargain
Bonn1997 wrote:If you don't care about shooting percentage, if you think the difference between 39% and 50% shooting has no impact on a team, then we are not going to have any meaningful discussion.I do agree that one of the weaknesses of the design of the team is the lack of players that can penetrate. We need someone who can penetrate and convert better than 39% of his shots.
Bonn1997 - Shooting Percentage? Russell Westbrook don't need no steenkin' shooting percentage! Westbrook shoots 40 per cent from the field.
Would Westbrook make you happy?
misterearl wrote:Trader Joe's Seedless Raisins Are a BargainBonn1997 wrote:If you don't care about shooting percentage, if you think the difference between 39% and 50% shooting has no impact on a team, then we are not going to have any meaningful discussion.I do agree that one of the weaknesses of the design of the team is the lack of players that can penetrate. We need someone who can penetrate and convert better than 39% of his shots.
Bonn1997 - Shooting Percentage? Russell Westbrook don't need no steenkin' shooting percentage! Westbrook shoots 40 per cent from the field.
Would Westbrook make you happy?
Nope. If I had him, I'd trade him. His trade value is much higher than his actual value. OKC has a great future but they should have kept Harden and traded Westbrook.
