misterearl wrote:Trader Joe's Seedless Raisins Are a BargainBonn1997 wrote:If you don't care about shooting percentage, if you think the difference between 39% and 50% shooting has no impact on a team, then we are not going to have any meaningful discussion.I do agree that one of the weaknesses of the design of the team is the lack of players that can penetrate. We need someone who can penetrate and convert better than 39% of his shots.
Bonn1997 - Shooting Percentage? Russell Westbrook don't need no steenkin' shooting percentage! Westbrook shoots 40 per cent from the field.
Would Westbrook make you happy?
Nope. If I had him, I'd trade him. His trade value is much higher than his actual value. OKC has a great future but they should have kept Harden and traded Westbrook.
knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You're blindly attributing the success to the wrong person
felton shooting % has nothing to do with his effectiveness, he makes timely baskets when we need them, and penetrates better then any player we have
By the time Felton comes back, I think there'll be little argument about how important he is to this team. Can't believe some people are trying to erase his accomplishments with this team, by focusing on his shooting the last few games- Russell Westbrook shoots 40.4%, so I guess he's useless to that OKC team...
Trading Places (the bootleg tapes)
Bonn1997 wrote:Nope. If I had him, I'd trade him. His trade value is much higher than his actual value. OKC has a great future but they should have kept Harden and traded Westbrook.
Which only lends further evidence why Sam Presti is sitting in a big office, collecting a large check for his expertise, and you are making fantasy trades on your keyboard.
Field goal percentage?
Did you say field goal percentage?
What is his heart and soul percentage?
C'mon Son!
I can see your ideal player shooting 10 for 50 because he averages 20 PPG and has heart.
You Gotta Have Heart
Bonn1997 wrote:I can see your ideal player shooting 10 for 50 because he averages 20 PPG and has heart.
What is that, 20 per cent?
Bonn1997 - my ideal guard would have the supreme cool of Clyde, the handle of Nate Archibald, the strength of Oscar Robertson and the 6'9 court vision of Magic Johnson. He could miss every shot he attempted and still change a game.
Dude would probably have a handful of rings too.
My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
Should Felton model his defense on Nash's? Why is Felton not allowed to have a flaw in his game (shooting%) but Nash is?
Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Which Guy Would You Want To Have
Your Back?
Bonn1997 - Steve Nash plays beautiful basketball on offense. He is Hall of Fame material. There is no debate.
On defense he is a sieve. That's a fact, Jack.
The more the NBA changes... yes, it IS changing... "overmatched" (your words, not mine) players like Nash cannot afford to be one-dimensional or simply offense-only with their skill sets. Nash is a dated role model whose skill-set fit a system, and its components, for a brief moment in time. Last night, facing Damian Liliard ("who?") was a perfect example. As Tower of Power taught us in "What Is Hip?"... "what's hip today, might become passe..."
As we both know, time moves on.
(SFX; alarm clock) Full circle, back to Raymond Felton. He is NOT the perfect point guard. May never be. The best we can hope is that he continues to learn. He is still a young man. (another careless Tower of Power reference) He does not waste his time and works hard. The cool part about Felton is his tenacity. He may never play beautiful basketball but he always comes ready to ball. He set a playing personality that exceeded expectations and (SFX: heavenly violins) helped make us something special. He helped make us winners. Ray Felton does not give a sh#t about playing at less than 85 per cent. He would roll out of his bed with two bruised hands, a sore back, a busted up knee and the flu if it was a game that mattered.
You can never have too many men like that.
Poor PG play is better than not having a PG for sure. I'm sure Mark Sanchez at QB is much better than say Shoan Greene.
smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You're blindly attributing the success to the wrong person
felton shooting % has nothing to do with his effectiveness, he makes timely baskets when we need them, and penetrates better then any player we have
By the time Felton comes back, I think there'll be little argument about how important he is to this team. Can't believe some people are trying to erase his accomplishments with this team, by focusing on his shooting the last few games- Russell Westbrook shoots 40.4%, so I guess he's useless to that OKC team...
Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
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smackeddog wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:You're blindly attributing the success to the wrong person
felton shooting % has nothing to do with his effectiveness, he makes timely baskets when we need them, and penetrates better then any player we have
By the time Felton comes back, I think there'll be little argument about how important he is to this team. Can't believe some people are trying to erase his accomplishments with this team, by focusing on his shooting the last few games- Russell Westbrook shoots 40.4%, so I guess he's useless to that OKC team...
Felton did not shoot badly the last few games. He is shooting 39 pct for the season.
If you were the pick the worst part of Westbrooks selfish game to compare to Felton's, you did a good job.
PER 22.6 vs 15.3 - guess who.
Anyway, you can have Westbrook too along with his dumb max contract.
ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Not me. Nash in a heartbeat.
Pretty? How about the best shooter of all time?
A 50/40/90 guy?
Wow! Can't believe anybody can under appreciate how great he was. And, last night 11 points and 12 assists on 6-11?
90% of the game is half mentalBonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots.
Has anyone seen Pablo Prigioni attempt a bad shot?
mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Not me. Nash in a heartbeat.
Pretty? How about the best shooter of all time?
A 50/40/90 guy?
Wow! Can't believe anybody can under appreciate how great he was. And, last night 11 points and 12 assists on 6-11?
Nash is an alltime great point guard no doubt. Bottom line to me, he's just a slightly taller Mark Price on steroids. Can run an offense flawlessly and put up pretty numbers. Can't win when the chips are down though.
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
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Sorry, I've lost track of the argument now- how come Nash gets praise because you're focusing exclusively on his strong points and ignoring his liabilities, but Felton is getting judged on his weak points which are being exclusively focused on?
Besides which, Felton critics, it isn't even about what PG is better than Felton, but rather which PG is better than Felton and is actually attainable with no cap space and only the Mini MLE- good luck!
ChuckBuck wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Not me. Nash in a heartbeat.
Pretty? How about the best shooter of all time?
A 50/40/90 guy?
Wow! Can't believe anybody can under appreciate how great he was. And, last night 11 points and 12 assists on 6-11?
Nash is an alltime great point guard no doubt. Bottom line to me, he's just a slightly taller Mark Price on steroids. Can run an offense flawlessly and put up pretty numbers. Can't win when the chips are down though.
Can't win when the chips are down? Based on what?
mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Not me. Nash in a heartbeat.
Pretty? How about the best shooter of all time?
A 50/40/90 guy?
Wow! Can't believe anybody can under appreciate how great he was. And, last night 11 points and 12 assists on 6-11?
Nash is an alltime great point guard no doubt. Bottom line to me, he's just a slightly taller Mark Price on steroids. Can run an offense flawlessly and put up pretty numbers. Can't win when the chips are down though.
Can't win when the chips are down? Based on what?
See Nash in Phoenix circa 2005-2010.
ChuckBuck wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:My ideal PG on offense is someone like Steve Nash - very talented but does not take bad shots. Unlike Felton, Nash is physically overmatched most nights (in terms of both speed and strength) but still manages to shoot 50% and get double digit assists. I'm not expecting Felton to become Steve Nash but Nash should be the player he (and PGs throughout the league in general) model their game after.
I'll take inefficient Jason Kidd in his prime over record setting Nash and his 2 MVPs anyday. Pretty game don't win rings.
Not me. Nash in a heartbeat.
Pretty? How about the best shooter of all time?
A 50/40/90 guy?
Wow! Can't believe anybody can under appreciate how great he was. And, last night 11 points and 12 assists on 6-11?
Nash is an alltime great point guard no doubt. Bottom line to me, he's just a slightly taller Mark Price on steroids. Can run an offense flawlessly and put up pretty numbers. Can't win when the chips are down though.
Can't win when the chips are down? Based on what?
See Nash in Phoenix circa 2005-2010.
So that was a championship team?
Its a miracle that they got to the WCF! Without Stat! Diaw at center.
C'mon - you can't be serious. He was one of the best basketball players that I've seen. Mark Price? I am sure that you are kidding.
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which came first, Steve Nash's court vision or Amar'e Stoudemire's ability to catch and jump out of the gym?"
smackeddog wrote:Sorry, I've lost track of the argument now- how come Nash gets praise because you're focusing exclusively on his strong points and ignoring his liabilities, but Felton is getting judged on his weak points which are being exclusively focused on?Besides which, Felton critics, it isn't even about what PG is better than Felton, but rather which PG is better than Felton and is actually attainable with no cap space and only the Mini MLE- good luck!
smackeddog - there are moments that your ability to frame a discussion are clearer than Amare's new goggles.
By the time Ray Felton returns, hopefully Mr. Stoudemire will have regained his timing, refined his game conditioning, subtracted some ego and added an appetite for rebounding.
