Knicks · "Amar'e Stoudemire From Three..." (page 1)

Provided the speculation can be kept in an air tight jar until his return, Stoudemire would be wise to compliment what he learned from Hakeem, with has some perimeter tutorials. Watching from the bench would also be a good idea. There is something positive to be gained from being in the huddle during game action.

Amar'e can also lean on the Knicks secret weapon, ShD (shot doctor) Dave Hopla, for expert advice.

"Now in his mid-50′s, (Dave) Hopla understands the nuances of shooting as well as anybody in the world, which is just one of the reasons the New York Knicks hired him to be their shooting specialist before the season.

Amar'e had far too many contested/ altered inside shots last season. It frustrated him to the point he forced shots, thinking the next one would not be blocked back into his face. During the playoffs, the fire extinguisher, and his hand, paid the price. The corner three would be a nice weapon to have for emergencies.

Looking at the data from Synergy over the last five years, Stoudemire has shot approximately 66% from the field on cuts. Take away last season’s outlier of 26.5% on un-guarded catch-and-shoot opportunities, STAT has shot 48% in those situations over the same timeframe.

From 2007 to 2011, STAT shot 45.6% between 16-23 feet, according to Hoopdata.com. He is right on cusp of having legitimate three point shooting from the corner. If the Knicks asked him to work on being able to shoot 35% on corner threes instead of spending time on his post game, I think it would have fit better within the context of what New York needs, in order to function offensively." - Bryan Gibberman

If Amar'e is less effective as an inside scorer, does not accept rebounding as a major role, cannot stay in front of his man on defense, is an unwilling passer or does not develop a perimeter game, what's the point of carving minutes from a productive rotation?

100 million dolans?

Very premature to start thinking of Amar'e as a waste of space. Yes, he probably won't be the same after a second knee surgery but hopefully his ongoing health can be managed by less minutes. I think that his J and ability to keep cutting will help a great deal. And if the Hakeem stuff stuck with him, maybe we have another post player as well. I think he's going to be fine on D. Maybe not great, but not a statue lik ebefore. I'm not writing him off yet.

I think its Amare's 3rd or 5th knee surgery actually

I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

How Good?

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

yellowboy90 - help me out here. Specifically, by box score column, where will Amar'e contribute the most?

misterearl wrote:How Good?

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

yellowboy90 - help me out here. Specifically, by box score column, where will Amar'e contribute the most?

Not really sure how to explain it but I look at the offense when Kurt or Two bigs plus Melo is in. I also go back to the preseason and last year before and think he will go back to his career numbers when it comes to shooting. Those shots and layups that Kurt misses I think Amar'e makes. I also look at what Copeland does with Prigi and how successful Amar'e could be. I see an increase in boards and efficiency.

yellowboy90 wrote:

misterearl wrote:How Good?

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

yellowboy90 - help me out here. Specifically, by box score column, where will Amar'e contribute the most?

Not really sure how to explain it but I look at the offense when Kurt or Two bigs plus Melo is in. I also go back to the preseason and last year before and think he will go back to his career numbers when it comes to shooting. Those shots and layups that Kurt misses I think Amar'e makes. I also look at what Copeland does with Prigi and how successful Amar'e could be. I see an increase in boards and efficiency.

We all have fond memories of Stoudemire in Phoenix. That Amar'e is not walking through that door.

Specifically, career numbers don't mean a thing, because he ain't got that swing. Amar'e had too many shots blocked last season and his explosion will never be what it once was. Knees are like that.

Increase in rebounding and efficiency? What makes you think that?

If he will play less that 20 min per game and mostly when Melo is on the bench he should be a positive addition.
With all issues he may have no team will be able to leave him alone and he will create a huge mismatches with second unit just by his presence.
If Sheed can be an issue for opponents on second unit, Stat will be even a bigger problem for opposition.
What he should not do is to demand a major role and go iso one-on-one or against double.
I see him doing same thing Chandler is doing now - get the boll in high post, hand it over back to the guard and roll to the basket.
After this all options are open for all 5 players. Bbal is a simple game.

misterearl wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

misterearl wrote:How Good?

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

yellowboy90 - help me out here. Specifically, by box score column, where will Amar'e contribute the most?

Not really sure how to explain it but I look at the offense when Kurt or Two bigs plus Melo is in. I also go back to the preseason and last year before and think he will go back to his career numbers when it comes to shooting. Those shots and layups that Kurt misses I think Amar'e makes. I also look at what Copeland does with Prigi and how successful Amar'e could be. I see an increase in boards and efficiency.

We all have fond memories of Stoudemire in Phoenix. That Amar'e is not walking through that door.

Specifically, career numbers don't mean a thing, because he ain't got that swing. Amar'e had too many shots blocked last season and his explosion will never be what it once was. Knees are like that.

Increase in rebounding and efficiency? What makes you think that?

I am not going on Phx Amar'e. His numbers were basically the same across the board except his mid range shooting. If that goes back to norm than that;s really all the Knicks need. Also that explosion started to come back later in the year. I we see with Dwight it takes time to come back from back injuries. Yes the knees is an added problem. Like I said it just an opinion. I see his game fitting in with this style of play.

Can Amare watch old film of James Worthy? Better handle and outside shot but evolution and hard work can improve Amare with less banging inside.

Not saying he can't or should not post up, but mix it up.

Amare is stlll an amazing athlete at 75% and should be able to add more tools.

I'm not expecting someone who jumps through the roof anymore. But you don't just forget how to shoot a mid range J. I think his shooting is going to be very important, especially now that Melo is commited to making good passes out of the post (I think this was an underrated skii of his all along). STAT is another threat to hit shots at a good clip. This is invaluable. And while he's never been a great rebounder, he'll still be able to pull down his 7-8 per game. Obviously, boards have been a big issue for us. As for defense, all he has to do is focus and move his feet, something Woody has surely been working on with him.

I really feel good about STAT coming back. That confidence comes mostly because I see how Woodson has rubbed off on his players. I think Amar'e is going to be so much more valuable overall because of Woodson. Of course, if he can't stay on the court none of what I typed means anything.

If Amare can hit the shot from the elbow, we'll welcome him back.
And please, Stat, no threes!

Our top performing players could all improve some aspects of their game. If Jason Kidd needs to rub anything off on anyone, , then it should be that you can always improve your game. Jason Kidd has become a very decent shooter fx. Kidd should be mostly beneficial to Melo, Ray and JR.

STAT can improve his range, his defense. Woodson, TC even Camby can help with that.

TC his offense (he's showing signs of initiative).

Melo his decision making (shot selection, passing) and defense (although all of them have improved, they could still improve).

JR his shot selection.

Felton his whole game should benefit being with arguably one of the top 5 PGs of all time.

skeng wrote:
STAT can improve his range, his defense. Woodson, TC even Camby can help with that.

again, I don't think he needs to improve his range. His mid-range is good, if he can regain. But I agree that if Woodson can light a fire under his ass to play some D and grab some bounds, we'll be golden.

The optimist in me views Amare as someone like a fastball pitcher who successfully reinvents himself later in his career out of necessity.

Amare is obviously a great basketball player, but his physical skills are simply not what they once were. He needs to change the way he plays the game. Hopefully what he learned this summer will be put to good use.

While no way would I bet my life savings (which isn't too much, but that's for a thread on another forum ) that Amare will be successful for years to come, I remain hopeful that he can find a solid role on the team and make us even better when he returns.

I think we still need Amar'e to do some real damage in the postseason. You may be right, he may be a shell of his former self. That being said, it doesn't mean he won't be a useful player. Antonio McDyess became a solid reserve in this league and played on teams that went to the finals. I see Amar'e filling that kind of role, perhaps a little less toughness, but with a solid outside shot and maybe an occasional hook shot now. If he plays his role, it will be a great addition to an already deep team.

And again, odds are, at some point one or more of Camby, KT, Tyson, Rasheed, etc... will be injured and we'll be glad we have Amar'e.

Panos wrote:If Amare can hit the shot from the elbow, we'll welcome him back.
And please, Stat, no threes!

+1

That was STAT's major issue last season, not his explosion as much as completely losing his jumper. If he wants to be on the court with the starters, specifically Tyson, he needs to help clear out the middle. The Sheed/STAT frontcourt still sounds good to me...

misterearl wrote:How Good?

yellowboy90 wrote:I think Amar'e will be good when he comes back. Also, Bosh really helped the Heat with his 3 ball at times last year. Most NBA players should be able to make the corner 3 at a decent percentage.

yellowboy90 - help me out here. Specifically, by box score column, where will Amar'e contribute the most?

The column for the opposing team that is labeled "Pts"

Interesting- Amar'e tweeted today:

#workout complete. Thanks to David, Anthony and Andy #knicks trainers. Be back soon. Stay Tuned