Knicks · Top 10 NBA prospects in college from what I have seen this year (page 11)

RonRon wrote:did Chane Behanan just earn some more looks in NBA as a pro

Absolutely - if I had a 2nd rounder at the bottom half, why not?

callmened wrote:Mcgary was in foul trouble but he needs to get better. He does have a motor and potential though. Trey is a lottery pick but i worry about his health (like lowry). Robinson and hardaway will be solid pros too

Agreed about the pros sons and - as I stated in page 3 of this thread - I would be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted Tim Hardaway Jr. I don't think he'll be a baller right away but I like his chances long term if he can learn from Melo, JR Smith, Jason Kidd, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace (?), etc

SupremeCommander wrote:

callmened wrote:Mcgary was in foul trouble but he needs to get better. He does have a motor and potential though. Trey is a lottery pick but i worry about his health (like lowry). Robinson and hardaway will be solid pros too

Agreed about the pros sons and - as I stated in page 3 of this thread - I would be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted Tim Hardaway Jr. I don't think he'll be a baller right away but I like his chances long term if he can learn from Melo, JR Smith, Jason Kidd, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace (?), etc

I think Glenn Robinson maybe better in the long run. If the Knicks can't pick up a Pg they need to look for a wing player with size that can defend and shoot.

SupremeCommander wrote:

RonRon wrote:did Chane Behanan just earn some more looks in NBA as a pro

Absolutely - if I had a 2nd rounder at the bottom half, why not?

I think for the team we have--with limited resources and the need to win now--Ive changed my opinion on who I would like to grab in round 1 and if we can round 2. Cory Jefferson has gone up in my charts to our top draft choice and if we can acquire a 2nd pick Pierre Jackson would be my #2 in round 2. I still love Nate Wolters long term but our need at big man now outweighs our need at PG. Cory Jeffereson --to me is an Amare Stuodemire waiting to happen. I would lock stock and barrel guarantee the pick to him if he did not work out for anyone else. Working with the real Amare for a couple fo year--well have a new one. He can play right now.Pierre Jackson can play NBA back up PG right now--he reminds me of Michael Adams. Im looking from a realistic view--we would not be able to acquire a pick high enough to grab a Wolters or someone rated like that--however I think Jackson can be had with a pick between 38-45. Wolters not playing in Portsmouth top me is a sign that someone has communicated with him that he is round 1. Nevertheless Im on the Cory Jefferson bandwagon hard--that would be my pick--in this draft he could en dup being a top 5 or 10 player. I love Olynck Jefferson Wolters. Ive become enamored with a*fit* pick with Jackson--for the NY needs and realism of what we can get. I dont like his size but hes awful strong and very quick. and the bottom line is a he is a play now 2nd round pick--not manY OF THOSE.

yellowboy90 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

callmened wrote:Mcgary was in foul trouble but he needs to get better. He does have a motor and potential though. Trey is a lottery pick but i worry about his health (like lowry). Robinson and hardaway will be solid pros too

Agreed about the pros sons and - as I stated in page 3 of this thread - I would be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted Tim Hardaway Jr. I don't think he'll be a baller right away but I like his chances long term if he can learn from Melo, JR Smith, Jason Kidd, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace (?), etc

I think Glenn Robinson maybe better in the long run. If the Knicks can't pick up a Pg they need to look for a wing player with size that can defend and shoot.

maybe. I think Glenn Robinson is the safer pick. I think he'll have a long NBA career as a rotation player. He plays well off the ball and he rebounds. I like him too.

I think Tim Hardaway could really develop. He looks a legit 6'6" and can stroke it. There aren't a lot of good, young SGs in the league right now... that's why Aaron Afflalo got that huge (insane) contract. In closing, if a player is 6'6", his father taught him to shoot, and there is a lack of quality young SGs - I would like his chances.

BRIGGS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

RonRon wrote:did Chane Behanan just earn some more looks in NBA as a pro

Absolutely - if I had a 2nd rounder at the bottom half, why not?

I think for the team we have--with limited resources and the need to win now--Ive changed my opinion on who I would like to grab in round 1 and if we can round 2. Cory Jefferson has gone up in my charts to our top draft choice and if we can acquire a 2nd pick Pierre Jackson would be my #2 in round 2. I still love Nate Wolters long term but our need at big man now outweighs our need at PG. Cory Jeffereson --to me is an Amare Stuodemire waiting to happen. I would lock stock and barrel guarantee the pick to him if he did not work out for anyone else. Working with the real Amare for a couple fo year--well have a new one. He can play right now.Pierre Jackson can play NBA back up PG right now--he reminds me of Michael Adams. Im looking from a realistic view--we would not be able to acquire a pick high enough to grab a Wolters or someone rated like that--however I think Jackson can be had with a pick between 38-45. Wolters not playing in Portsmouth top me is a sign that someone has communicated with him that he is round 1. Nevertheless Im on the Cory Jefferson bandwagon hard--that would be my pick--in this draft he could en dup being a top 5 or 10 player. I love Olynck Jefferson Wolters. Ive become enamored with a*fit* pick with Jackson--for the NY needs and realism of what we can get. I dont like his size but hes awful strong and very quick. and the bottom line is a he is a play now 2nd round pick--not manY OF THOSE.

I would really like to get Tim Jr. in the first. The prospect of having Jr. torment the Heat for years to come is too much for me to handle. I think he could be really good. Not a definite but I like his chances. He is so strong on the ball. Having him hammer it down low with Melo would be a matchup nightmare for any team in the NBA. That wouldn't happen right away, but in time? Michigan was one of the best jumping shooting teams I've ever seen - why not draft that team's SG? Until JR Smith gets signed to an extension the Knicks need a long term answer at SG.

I honestly don't know much about Jefferson but I do not think you can go wrong with a Butler player. What scares me about him is as a junior, he got famous for his NIT heroics. I will say I could be completely wrong about that and you have certainly identified quality big men over the years

As for the 2nds, I defer to you. I didn't see a deep pool this year so I didn't watch as many games as in prior years. I am not too excited about this years crop

1. Trey Burke PG 6-1 180

2. Kelly Olynck 7-0 245

3. Mitch Mcgary 6-10 260

4. Marcus Smart CG 6-4 225

5. Ben Mclemore SG 6-4 215

6. Cory Jefferson PF 6-9 240

7. Victor Olapido G 6-5 220

8. Nate Wolters PG 6-4 200

9. Otto Porter SF 6-8 210

10 Isiah Austin 7-1 215

11. Glenn Robinson G 6-7 215

12. Nerlens Noel C 6-10 245

13. Shabazz Muhammed SG 6-5 225

14. Mason Plumlee PF 6-10 245

15 Michael Carter Williams 6-6 180
16 Anthony Bennett PF 6-7 250

17 Cody Zeller PF 7-0 245

18 Shane Larkin PG 6-0 180

19 Alex Len C 7-1 260

20. CJ McColumn CG 6-3 210

21. Jamal Franklin SF 6-6 200

22. C J Fair SF 6-8 215
23. Deshaun Thomas 6-7 225

24. Gorgui Dieng C 6-11 245

25. Carrick Felix SF/SG 6-7 200

26. Pierre Jackson PG 5-10 185

27. Erick Green 6-3 185
28. Jeff Withey C 7-0 250

29. Jahii Carson 5-10 175

30. Doug Mcdermott SF 6-7 235

Pick 24
OKC's 2nd rounder for next year (from Brewer)

for 3 picks this summer

Last 1st round pick, overall 30

pick 32

pick 34

Dallas made a similar trade although it was a higher pick for 3 picks, last summer for Zeller
In which we might stash some Euro players with the 2 2nd round picks

We would then actually have assets to use in trades this summer to use with the 2nd year non guaranteed deals
Maybe we can buy low for Brandon Rush so GS can clear cap room

While this is not a "STAR" draft, there seems to be a deep draft for skilled players that can contribute quickly or have decent potential that will need time to develop
Early 2nd round picks might even be worth more than late 1st round picks in some sense, they have 3 year deals, and are not guaranteed with team options
I think this is something we have to consider unless we feel we found a gem that we think we cannot pick up at pick 30

Whatcha think Briggs?
You might be able to get Walters with a couple of diamond in the roughs to go along with him....

Maybe Euro Westbrook
Walters
That Kid from Farmingdalte PF/C

or

PG
SG/SF
SF/PF
PF/C

look to fill at least 2/4 positions with the reality that we will probably lose

JR
Copeland
Martin

unless we use min MLE to retain Cope or Martin, I just don't see them making the vet min again, but u never know...

As for JR, our best shot is if we sign Chris Wright to a 2 year deal to go with what we can offer
or
Unless Amare retires or is out due to injury/surgery and we get an injury exemption of half his salary to offer JR or a FA

Another realistic way of keeping JR is trading Chandler to a team that is contention for playoffs that needs a C like Portland or Utah
Portland will unlikely part with the 12 pick of the draft, but maybe Hickson and a 2nd round pick or 2, more importantly, a salary exemption in which we could use to resign JR
Portland does not see Hickson as a long term undersized starting caliber C and might go for Olynicks with Chandler grooming him
While we would have Hickson's birds rights as he opts out this summer

1. I know im not BRIGGS but ive played and watch a LOT of college bball. the quality of this draft sucks at the top and bottom. sure there might be some sleeper picks and stars but its too difficult to judge. I just dont think its worth the risk to start trading future picks for a draft this weak.

Reality = we will draft a Euro player and trade them immedicately

2. Amare wont retire and thinks he can still contribute. He feels embarrassed and wants to produce. Third, one can argue in trading Tyson bu it just wont happen. Its a pride thing, knicks brass made so many moves to get the big 3 (tyson, melo, amare) that trading them before their contracts expire would be admitting defeat.

Reality = Tyson, Melo and Amare will not be moves until they are expiring contracts.

3. In regards to JR and the other free agents, I'm not sure what to do. Most likely JR will want more than the $5 million that we can offer him via Birds Rights. JR of course will earn MORE than that due to his great play. Copeland as well has earned himself a solid contract (probably in the $3-5mil range). KMart has played well but hes still old and injury prone. Im not sure how much hell want or earn

Reality = most likely we'll lose JR so knicks have to start thinking of replacements. (SG Foye, Rush). Knicks have to decide if Copeland is worth keeping. They can probably use the $3MLE on him. Once again, the knicks are STUCK due to their salary cap problems. They should be creative (by trading Tyson and other assets) but they wont due to stubbornness.

just my $0.02

Maybe JR can get a big deal but NY can give him 5 mil+ with a player option.

So 2 of the 3 is a sure bet in my opinion. The only issue is JR.

callmened wrote:@yellowboy...please elaborate on copes rookie rules...never heard of them

He becomes a restricted free agent after a qualifying offer is presented basically like Fields was so the Knicks has the opportunity to matched anything that another team wil offer. It is unlikely he will be offered anything not worth matching and although it will count on the cap they can go above the cap to match.

callmened wrote:gotcha. thanks. so most likely we'll resign him unless he asks for some "ridiculous" contract. lol

Well it is not really him asking it is what another team will offer him like Lin. Just hope everything will work out this time. If a team doesn't try to pick him up then he can ask for something and if it is not ridiculous they will sign him and if it is he will play for the qualifying offer and become a UFA the following year. I think all that is right.