AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
HELL NO why trade for an injured PG when we have an opportunity to win a ring or at least go to the ECF for once this decade
That is absurd, TFK, if you are talking about an injured player unless it is Durant/Lebron/Westbrook/Harden/ there is not 1 single player that you can trade Melo for
Even for Kevin Love and Derrick Rose, it would hard to decide, especially for Rose and how he recovers
Kevin Love however, would be a gamble itself but I can at least see an actual decision
But for Rhondo when he is out for the entire season at least, it makes NO SENSE, not with Melo at least
fishmike wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
yup... and his effort shows it. Why make adjustments when your the one thats staying no matter what?
He's been battling a neck issue for a while.
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Added D'Antoni on Friday: "I mean, come on. He just threw Frank Johnson, myself, Alvin Gentry and actually Mike Woodson [under the bus]. Was [Woodson] saving the good stuff? Because he coached him eight months and he was the defensive coach. So it was like, 'You know, I won't tell him that, I'll save that until I really coach him.' It doesn't make any sense."
So much for trying to give MDA any credit for last years defense. According to MDA, Woodson was the defensive coach last year. So, Woodsons defense was better last year.....
MSG3 wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:smackeddog wrote:Were we ever 27-15 under D'antoni while missing significant players with injuries?
No but Knicks have yet to play KNICK D' in January 2013
Dont solely tout the record, easy come easy go.
We dont want any part of easy go.
.500 record at end of season for nba east entry into playoffs do not excite DJ
Knicks have a homestand & road gm against few teams to do some win streak now, .
Lets see what record is in 1 wk or so then before we start to ignore a FACT this team ain't
Playing nba defense anymore in January or what's needed to get better.
Worst case can happen for our loved Nyk is to lose div. To Brooklyn Nets & have to be seeded
Elsewhere for nba playoffs. That is my whole point its called 'Playing the game da right way! '
Starts & ends with D always an identity staplemark of successful Ny knick teams.
We aint beating teams in playoffs by trying to outscore them which some of Knick philosophy
Seem prevalent & few seem quite happy with that manner to win few games.
Plus, we only have this good of a record BECAUSE of our early season D. We haven't gained much ground since December. We've been hovering at 12 games over .500 since then.
Since starting the season 6-0 we're only 21-15 
VCoug wrote:MSG3 wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:smackeddog wrote:Were we ever 27-15 under D'antoni while missing significant players with injuries?
No but Knicks have yet to play KNICK D' in January 2013
Dont solely tout the record, easy come easy go.
We dont want any part of easy go.
.500 record at end of season for nba east entry into playoffs do not excite DJ
Knicks have a homestand & road gm against few teams to do some win streak now, .
Lets see what record is in 1 wk or so then before we start to ignore a FACT this team ain't
Playing nba defense anymore in January or what's needed to get better.
Worst case can happen for our loved Nyk is to lose div. To Brooklyn Nets & have to be seeded
Elsewhere for nba playoffs. That is my whole point its called 'Playing the game da right way! '
Starts & ends with D always an identity staplemark of successful Ny knick teams.
We aint beating teams in playoffs by trying to outscore them which some of Knick philosophy
Seem prevalent & few seem quite happy with that manner to win few games.
Plus, we only have this good of a record BECAUSE of our early season D. We haven't gained much ground since December. We've been hovering at 12 games over .500 since then.
Since starting the season 6-0 we're only 21-15
thats not the real picture. The real picture is we started with great defense and began the year 18-5. Since then we are 9-10. Knicks have been .500 for 20 games now. Thats a legit sampling.
fishmike wrote:VCoug wrote:MSG3 wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:smackeddog wrote:Were we ever 27-15 under D'antoni while missing significant players with injuries?
No but Knicks have yet to play KNICK D' in January 2013
Dont solely tout the record, easy come easy go.
We dont want any part of easy go.
.500 record at end of season for nba east entry into playoffs do not excite DJ
Knicks have a homestand & road gm against few teams to do some win streak now, .
Lets see what record is in 1 wk or so then before we start to ignore a FACT this team ain't
Playing nba defense anymore in January or what's needed to get better.
Worst case can happen for our loved Nyk is to lose div. To Brooklyn Nets & have to be seeded
Elsewhere for nba playoffs. That is my whole point its called 'Playing the game da right way! '
Starts & ends with D always an identity staplemark of successful Ny knick teams.
We aint beating teams in playoffs by trying to outscore them which some of Knick philosophy
Seem prevalent & few seem quite happy with that manner to win few games.
Plus, we only have this good of a record BECAUSE of our early season D. We haven't gained much ground since December. We've been hovering at 12 games over .500 since then.
Since starting the season 6-0 we're only 21-15
thats not the real picture. The real picture is we started with great defense and began the year 18-5. Since then we are 9-10. Knicks have been .500 for 20 games now. Thats a legit sampling.
we made alot of threes in the start, the defense didn't kick in til the second half.
tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
I know you dont like Melo but good lord...do you still like the Knicks at all?
Rondo would be out most likely not only this year but much of next year.
RonRon wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
HELL NO why trade for an injured PG when we have an opportunity to win a ring or at least go to the ECF for once this decade
That is absurd, TFK, if you are talking about an injured player unless it is Durant/Lebron/Westbrook/Harden/ there is not 1 single player that you can trade Melo for
Even for Kevin Love and Derrick Rose, it would hard to decide, especially for Rose and how he recovers
Kevin Love however, would be a gamble itself but I can at least see an actual decision
But for Rhondo when he is out for the entire season at least, it makes NO SENSE, not with Melo at least
I don't think this team has a real chance to win a ring man.. you feel differently, for me it may seem just as absurd... rondo is just injured.. so what, but he is arguable a top 3 PG in the league.. that is what you will be getting.. I look past what is going on now..I am just hoping for a trip to the ECF.. that is a moral victory man... this is not some young team that will build off of that.. this team is old, aging with a small window.. so what if we get to the ECF... then what? what happens next year... we are not improving from within.... and we have very little to improve outside of that... I am talking about potentially grabbing a guy who may be one of the league's top 5 to 7 players (legitimately) in a year or two...
knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
I know you dont like Melo but good lord...do you still like the Knicks at all?
Rondo would be out most likely not only this year but much of next year.
we don't know, but I would make this move because I am a knick fan.. I can see past the smoke and mirrors we have now...
tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
I know you dont like Melo but good lord...do you still like the Knicks at all?
Rondo would be out most likely not only this year but much of next year.
we don't know, but I would make this move because I am a knick fan.. I can see past the smoke and mirrors we have now...
So you'd rather take your chance on a player who just got injured and wont be back for well over a year?
I can think of any logic reason to think like this.
You dont even know if he would recover.
tkf wrote:RonRon wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
HELL NO why trade for an injured PG when we have an opportunity to win a ring or at least go to the ECF for once this decade
That is absurd, TFK, if you are talking about an injured player unless it is Durant/Lebron/Westbrook/Harden/ there is not 1 single player that you can trade Melo for
Even for Kevin Love and Derrick Rose, it would hard to decide, especially for Rose and how he recovers
Kevin Love however, would be a gamble itself but I can at least see an actual decision
But for Rhondo when he is out for the entire season at least, it makes NO SENSE, not with Melo at least
I don't think this team has a real chance to win a ring man.. you feel differently, for me it may seem just as absurd... rondo is just injured.. so what, but he is arguable a top 3 PG in the league.. that is what you will be getting.. I look past what is going on now..I am just hoping for a trip to the ECF.. that is a moral victory man... this is not some young team that will build off of that.. this team is old, aging with a small window.. so what if we get to the ECF... then what? what happens next year... we are not improving from within.... and we have very little to improve outside of that... I am talking about potentially grabbing a guy who may be one of the league's top 5 to 7 players (legitimately) in a year or two...
ECF is a moral victory? Rondo isn't a top 5-7 player now, and that was pre-injury, no one will know what he would be.
But I'd betcha if you offered Melo for Rondo...Boston does that deal immediately....they still wanna compete, and you would be helping whup your own teams butt.
knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
I know you dont like Melo but good lord...do you still like the Knicks at all?
Rondo would be out most likely not only this year but much of next year.
we don't know, but I would make this move because I am a knick fan.. I can see past the smoke and mirrors we have now...
So you'd rather take your chance on a player who just got injured and wont be back for well over a year?I can think of any logic reason to think like this.
You dont even know if he would recover.
you had faith that shump would recover right? I mean most people here were counting on him.... rondo doesn't rely on his athleticism as much as he does his natural abilities, vision, great hands, great control and leadership on the floor.... But I am banking that he does recover more than i am banking on carmelo leading us anywhere.... if you feel different, cool..
knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:RonRon wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
HELL NO why trade for an injured PG when we have an opportunity to win a ring or at least go to the ECF for once this decade
That is absurd, TFK, if you are talking about an injured player unless it is Durant/Lebron/Westbrook/Harden/ there is not 1 single player that you can trade Melo for
Even for Kevin Love and Derrick Rose, it would hard to decide, especially for Rose and how he recovers
Kevin Love however, would be a gamble itself but I can at least see an actual decision
But for Rhondo when he is out for the entire season at least, it makes NO SENSE, not with Melo at least
I don't think this team has a real chance to win a ring man.. you feel differently, for me it may seem just as absurd... rondo is just injured.. so what, but he is arguable a top 3 PG in the league.. that is what you will be getting.. I look past what is going on now..I am just hoping for a trip to the ECF.. that is a moral victory man... this is not some young team that will build off of that.. this team is old, aging with a small window.. so what if we get to the ECF... then what? what happens next year... we are not improving from within.... and we have very little to improve outside of that... I am talking about potentially grabbing a guy who may be one of the league's top 5 to 7 players (legitimately) in a year or two...
ECF is a moral victory? Rondo isn't a top 5-7 player now, and that was pre-injury, no one will know what he would be.But I'd betcha if you offered Melo for Rondo...Boston does that deal immediately....they still wanna compete, and you would be helping whup your own teams butt.
why would boston do that deal. they have pierce who is better than carmelo now, espeically for what they do.... If you don't think rono is a top 5-7 player now, i will argue that he has that type of impact, every single game....
tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:RonRon wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
HELL NO why trade for an injured PG when we have an opportunity to win a ring or at least go to the ECF for once this decade
That is absurd, TFK, if you are talking about an injured player unless it is Durant/Lebron/Westbrook/Harden/ there is not 1 single player that you can trade Melo for
Even for Kevin Love and Derrick Rose, it would hard to decide, especially for Rose and how he recovers
Kevin Love however, would be a gamble itself but I can at least see an actual decision
But for Rhondo when he is out for the entire season at least, it makes NO SENSE, not with Melo at least
I don't think this team has a real chance to win a ring man.. you feel differently, for me it may seem just as absurd... rondo is just injured.. so what, but he is arguable a top 3 PG in the league.. that is what you will be getting.. I look past what is going on now..I am just hoping for a trip to the ECF.. that is a moral victory man... this is not some young team that will build off of that.. this team is old, aging with a small window.. so what if we get to the ECF... then what? what happens next year... we are not improving from within.... and we have very little to improve outside of that... I am talking about potentially grabbing a guy who may be one of the league's top 5 to 7 players (legitimately) in a year or two...
ECF is a moral victory? Rondo isn't a top 5-7 player now, and that was pre-injury, no one will know what he would be.But I'd betcha if you offered Melo for Rondo...Boston does that deal immediately....they still wanna compete, and you would be helping whup your own teams butt.
why would boston do that deal. they have pierce who is better than carmelo now, espeically for what they do.... If you don't think rono is a top 5-7 player now, i will argue that he has that type of impact, every single game....
Rondo isn't in the 5-7....the top 3 are MVP worthy in Bron Durant CP3...you seriously can't think of 4 more players better than Rondo?
tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:knickscity wrote:tkf wrote:AnubisADL wrote:We are just seeing the Tyson Chandler from New Orleans. No one on this team is untouchable except Melo.
let me ask you this question... lets say we can work a three way deal in which we can get a guy like rondo and move carmelo to another team.. Yes rondo is out for the year, but look at the long term prospects.. would you not make that move? I sure as hell would.. i would make that move, try to get some kind of pick in the deal and run with the team we have.....
I would keep chandler, and get another big body to reduce his minutes... just imagine rondo playing with a big like chandler and amare who can finish around the rim at a high percentage rate.. and novak will actually get open looks from pushing the ball...
I know you dont like Melo but good lord...do you still like the Knicks at all?
Rondo would be out most likely not only this year but much of next year.
we don't know, but I would make this move because I am a knick fan.. I can see past the smoke and mirrors we have now...
So you'd rather take your chance on a player who just got injured and wont be back for well over a year?I can think of any logic reason to think like this.
You dont even know if he would recover.
you had faith that shump would recover right? I mean most people here were counting on him.... rondo doesn't rely on his athleticism as much as he does his natural abilities, vision, great hands, great control and leadership on the floor.... But I am banking that he does recover more than i am banking on carmelo leading us anywhere.... if you feel different, cool..
Shump doesn't rely on athleticism alot, that's Rondo greatest strength...he's almost one of the fastest players in the nba.
I think playing both novak and stat hurts us defensively. I like Novak but he is pretty much a waste this year. Also Melo needs to get teh defensive intensity back that he had in november
StarksEwing1 wrote:I think playing both novak and stat hurts us defensively. I like Novak but he is pretty much a waste this year. Also Melo needs to get teh defensive intensity back that he had in november
Melo played hard at the beginning of the season so he would stop getting flack about Lin and MDA.Now he's gone back to being the Melo we traded a whole roster for. I agree with tfk, the window for winning multiple championships has been narrowed down to winning this year or never. And for the record, Rondo is one of the scariest if not, the scariest pg in the league right now. He's a beast!
fishmike wrote:VCoug wrote:MSG3 wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:smackeddog wrote:Were we ever 27-15 under D'antoni while missing significant players with injuries?
No but Knicks have yet to play KNICK D' in January 2013
Dont solely tout the record, easy come easy go.
We dont want any part of easy go.
.500 record at end of season for nba east entry into playoffs do not excite DJ
Knicks have a homestand & road gm against few teams to do some win streak now, .
Lets see what record is in 1 wk or so then before we start to ignore a FACT this team ain't
Playing nba defense anymore in January or what's needed to get better.
Worst case can happen for our loved Nyk is to lose div. To Brooklyn Nets & have to be seeded
Elsewhere for nba playoffs. That is my whole point its called 'Playing the game da right way! '
Starts & ends with D always an identity staplemark of successful Ny knick teams.
We aint beating teams in playoffs by trying to outscore them which some of Knick philosophy
Seem prevalent & few seem quite happy with that manner to win few games.
Plus, we only have this good of a record BECAUSE of our early season D. We haven't gained much ground since December. We've been hovering at 12 games over .500 since then.
Since starting the season 6-0 we're only 21-15
thats not the real picture. The real picture is we started with great defense and began the year 18-5. Since then we are 9-10. Knicks have been .500 for 20 games now. Thats a legit sampling.
They only played around .500 for one of the last 4 years and their record is well above .500 which it hasn't been for a long time. The Knicks have had a lot of injuries. It is pretty exciting to see Amare getting back to form, Felton playing again, and Shump back on the court. Hopefully Sheed is coming back soon and Kidd isn't layed up for too long with his back injury. I think the Knicks maintained and overcame a lot the first half of the year. Having Amare and Shump will definitely make the team stronger. If Tyson and Kidd's injuries aren't serious I think the Knicks will have a better second half of the season.
