NBA · Really impressed with Denver right now (page 4)
jrodmc wrote:martin wrote:CashMoney wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Nuggets are 32-18 to our 31-16,AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUPERSTAR!! WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR!!
AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH INJURIES ALL YEAR!! Besides, Gallo is a SUPERSTAR in the eyes of many here.
No he's not and no one thinks that.
IronWillGiroud wrote:
I'll always cherish that game at MSG when Gallo handed Melo his ass on a silver plateRest in Peace Gallo, what could've been
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
Some think he at least could have been a SUPERSTAR...
nope, dont see it.
Caseloads wrote:Is anyone else equally impressed with Denver right now? They are rolling.We could use a Wilson Chandler over here.
Isiah was a great evaluator of talent.
ALWAYS & FOREVER WAS IMPRESSED THE VERY DAY OF TRADE WITH THEM
So many fans said Chandler and Gallo are easily replaceable I'm still waiting for Chandler and Gallo type talent to walk through MSG's doors. Please let me be one of the first to know when and if that happens
Melo would've be a great Robin to Ewing's Batman
jrodmc wrote:2012-13 Denver Nuggets 26-18 (.591) - -
2011-12 Denver Nuggets 38-28 (.576) 3-4 (.429) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 Denver Nuggets 53-29 (.646) 2-4 (.333) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2008-09 Denver Nuggets 54-28 (.659) 10-6 (.625) Lost Western Conference Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 0-4 (.000) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2006-07 Denver Nuggets 45-37 (.549) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2005-06 Denver Nuggets 44-38 (.537) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2004-05 Denver Nuggets 49-33 (.598) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2003-04 Denver Nuggets 43-39 (.524) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 Denver Nuggets 17-65 (.207) - - DNQ
2001-02 Denver Nuggets 27-55 (.329) - - DNQ
Season NBA Team W-L pct W-L pct Performance
2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQNotice when we started to improve DRASTICALLY? Notice when Denver started to decline slightly?
Compare percentages, folks. It's really not that difficult.
That 09-10 year was the one with the most potential but Karl had his battle and the team feel apart. Oh well.
IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Nuggets are 32-18 to our 31-16,AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUPERSTAR!! WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR!!
Our strength of schedule (opponents' winning%) is .480 and there's is .520.
Wow, did not know
I can't be happy as a Knicks fan right now, we're definitely underachieving
regardless, their SRS are nearly the same NY at 4.45 and Denver at 4.46. I'll take that given the injuries.
yellowboy90 wrote:jrodmc wrote:2012-13 Denver Nuggets 26-18 (.591) - -
2011-12 Denver Nuggets 38-28 (.576) 3-4 (.429) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 Denver Nuggets 53-29 (.646) 2-4 (.333) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2008-09 Denver Nuggets 54-28 (.659) 10-6 (.625) Lost Western Conference Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 0-4 (.000) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2006-07 Denver Nuggets 45-37 (.549) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2005-06 Denver Nuggets 44-38 (.537) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2004-05 Denver Nuggets 49-33 (.598) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2003-04 Denver Nuggets 43-39 (.524) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 Denver Nuggets 17-65 (.207) - - DNQ
2001-02 Denver Nuggets 27-55 (.329) - - DNQ
Notice when we started to improve DRASTICALLY? Notice when Denver started to decline slightly?Compare percentages, folks. It's really not that difficult.
That 09-10 year was the one with the most potential but Karl had his battle and the team feel apart. Oh well.
Weren't those declining yrs Melo era? So you're being technical over some low winning percentage pt differences? Here's what I gather from this data...The Nuggets post Melo era won as many playoff games in 2yrs than Melo led Nuggets won in 4yrs.
Let that sink a little bit
NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.
Nuggets, Rockets, Knicks, Golden State and OKC are regular on my schedule..... My wife may be at our lawyers office now, cleaning me out.. LOL
IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Nuggets are 32-18 to our 31-16,AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUPERSTAR!! WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR!!
Our strength of schedule (opponents' winning%) is .480 and there's is .520.
Wow, did not know
I can't be happy as a Knicks fan right now, we're definitely underachieving
What exactly do you think our record should be at this point, factoring in the injuries to Felton, Amar'e, Shump, Sheed and Camby?
NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.
I thought you watched them based on posts in the other games thread. I haven't but 15-3 is an amazing run. A lot of guys that post here were really high on drafting faired. From a distance he seems like a big part of their success.
smackeddog wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Nuggets are 32-18 to our 31-16,AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUPERSTAR!! WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR!!
Our strength of schedule (opponents' winning%) is .480 and there's is .520.
Wow, did not know
I can't be happy as a Knicks fan right now, we're definitely underachieving
What exactly do you think our record should be at this point, factoring in the injuries to Felton, Amar'e, Shump, Sheed and Camby?
Weren't we 18-5 without Amar'e and Shump and Camby? So are you telling me the loss of Felton is what derailed this team? That ruins a great multitude of success with Melo remaining relatively healthy? We beat Miami and Spurs without most of those guys right? Poorly constructed team then. Felton has been the only major injury who's been in the top rotation since season's begin? We had to expect injuries to Kidd/Sheed/Camby for crying out loud they are 40yrs old.
Bulls are 3gms behind us without Derrick Rose and injuries to Deng/Hamilton/Hinrich/Noah throughout the season
Are we going to eternally every year use injuries as an excuse regular and post-season?
CrushAlot wrote:Bocker I might be getting you mixed up with NYK4ever.NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.I thought you watched them based on posts in the other games thread. I haven't but 15-3 is an amazing run. A lot of guys that post here were really high on drafting faired. From a distance he seems like a big part of their success.
CrushAlot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bocker I might be getting you mixed up with NYK4ever.NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.I thought you watched them based on posts in the other games thread. I haven't but 15-3 is an amazing run. A lot of guys that post here were really high on drafting faired. From a distance he seems like a big part of their success.
One is a big Asian man who watches Knicks games in his boxers with his kids and the other is a young, white dude who runs around from bar to bar seeking out his next pray... how could you mix those 2 up man?
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bocker I might be getting you mixed up with NYK4ever.NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.I thought you watched them based on posts in the other games thread. I haven't but 15-3 is an amazing run. A lot of guys that post here were really high on drafting faired. From a distance he seems like a big part of their success.
One is a big Asian man who watches Knicks games in his boxers with his kids and the other is a young, white dude who runs around from bar to bar seeking out his next pray... how could you mix those 2 up man?
NYK4ever is a dude???
3G4G wrote:smackeddog wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Nuggets are 32-18 to our 31-16,AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SUPERSTAR!! WE HAVE A SUPERSTAR!!
Our strength of schedule (opponents' winning%) is .480 and there's is .520.
Wow, did not know
I can't be happy as a Knicks fan right now, we're definitely underachieving
What exactly do you think our record should be at this point, factoring in the injuries to Felton, Amar'e, Shump, Sheed and Camby?
Weren't we 18-5 without Amar'e and Shump and Camby? So are you telling me the loss of Felton is what derailed this team? That ruins a great multitude of success with Melo remaining relatively healthy? We beat Miami and Spurs without most of those guys right? Poorly constructed team then. Felton has been the only major injury who's been in the top rotation since season's begin? We had to expect injuries to Kidd/Sheed/Camby for crying out loud they are 40yrs old.
Bulls are 3gms behind us without Derrick Rose and injuries to Deng/Hamilton/Hinrich/Noah throughout the season
Are we going to eternally every year use injuries as an excuse regular and post-season?
If you don't think Feltons absence played a part in us suddenly going 50-50 and our offense collapsing into iso-melo then you can't have been watching the games. Injuries are a fact not an excuse- do you honestly believe a team should perform exactly the same regardless of the players who are playing?
holfresh wrote:Sorry to be the hater in all this but not really impressed yet...Jury is still out on who this team really is...After a rough road schedule to start the season, it was predictable they would go on this run...They played 15 of the last 18 games at home ...Along with home court advantage, they have the altitude advantage...Chicago was gasping for air last night in Denver...So it's hard to measure them in my opinion...Lets see them beat some tough teams on the road come the second half of the season...
I really think there is something to playing in altitude of Denver that is a massive home court advantage...Of all the teams that are highly ranked this year and are considered "good"..Denver is the only one with a losing record on the road and it's not even close...They are 10-15...So seeing this, I looked at their win/loss totals every year going back to 2006...They have always had some of the best home win/loss record in the entire NBA yet get bumped in the first round(except one year) all be it by some good Western Conference teams...My conclusion??..Their win/loss record over the years may have been inflated by their location and home court (altitude) advantage...
CrushAlot wrote:NYKBocker wrote:I am going to have to start watching the Knuggets now also. Man, the wife is not going to be happy.I thought you watched them based on posts in the other games thread. I haven't but 15-3 is an amazing run. A lot of guys that post here were really high on drafting faired. From a distance he seems like a big part of their success.
I desperately wanted Faried in the draft that year. And, even though I've been impressed by Shumpert and really like him, I still wish we had drafted Faried instead.
jrodmc wrote:2012-13 Denver Nuggets 26-18 (.591) - -
2011-12 Denver Nuggets 38-28 (.576) 3-4 (.429) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 Denver Nuggets 53-29 (.646) 2-4 (.333) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2008-09 Denver Nuggets 54-28 (.659) 10-6 (.625) Lost Western Conference Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 0-4 (.000) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2006-07 Denver Nuggets 45-37 (.549) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2005-06 Denver Nuggets 44-38 (.537) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2004-05 Denver Nuggets 49-33 (.598) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2003-04 Denver Nuggets 43-39 (.524) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 Denver Nuggets 17-65 (.207) - - DNQ
2001-02 Denver Nuggets 27-55 (.329) - - DNQ
Season NBA Team W-L pct W-L pct Performance
2012-13 New York Knicks 26-14 (.650) - -
2011-12 New York Knicks 36-30 (.545) 1-4 (.200) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 New York Knicks 42-40 (.512) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 New York Knicks 29-53 (.354) - - DNQ
2008-09 New York Knicks 32-50 (.390) - - DNQ
2007-08 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2006-07 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2005-06 New York Knicks 23-59 (.280) - - DNQ
2004-05 New York Knicks 33-49 (.402) - - DNQ
2003-04 New York Knicks 39-43 (.476) 0-4 (.000) Lost Eastern Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 New York Knicks 37-45 (.451) - - DNQ
2001-02 New York Knicks 30-52 (.366) - - DNQNotice when we started to improve DRASTICALLY? Notice when Denver started to decline slightly?
Compare percentages, folks. It's really not that difficult.
Well said my dude. Well said. It's more than just winning percentages though, that's a given in regards to Melo. It's about the situations that he's lived through. thus far. Melo has tackled these situations head on with a full head of steam. Carmelo has been without question 'the trend' in regards to teams increasing their wins under his tenure when compared to without him. Although this has been nothing new in regards to Melo throughout his entire basketball career. He's just a winner. And with my post below, I will give true examples on how Melo's been nothing short of a winner.
Although his basketball greatness was before Syracuse, Melo won it all for Syracuse. As only a Freshman at that. There's a strong reason why Carmelo Anthony went number three overall and should've gone second overall (only behind LeBron James) and that reason is simply because NBA scouts (especially Denver's front office) were in love with the different types of ways that a young up and coming NBA star (in Carmelo Anthony) led his college program to their first and only NCAA National Championship, during his first and only season with Syracuse as a player.
Sure, many of great players have won National Championships in the past, it only happens each and every year. But why not tell us all something in which we don't already know Melo critics? Kick some basketball knowledge to our New York fan base why don't ya. But when trying to prove your agenda driven points on how Melo's not a winner and/or before attempting to dismiss and/or throw away Carmelo Anthony's National Championship with Syracuse as a Freshman (as if it weren't a basketball 'dream come true' type of accomplishment for any kid who's ever dreamed of not only playing basketball but also leading his school to a National Championship) first and foremost, first find me a great NBA player that's won a National Championship for a program that's only won one National Championship throughout their entire (basketball) history of sporting. And I'll have no problem finding you Carmelo Anthony.
What Carmelo Anthony did for Syracuse as a basketball player was down right amazing. Syracuse basketball has participated within 35 NCAA Tournament dating back to 1957. 55 years and counting but yet under Melo's greatness Syracuse basketball actually won a National championship. By far the greatest Syracuse kid/talent I've ever laid eyes on. Derrick Coleman was nice. Sherman Douglas was pretty amazing and John Wallace was strong too. But Melo was (and is) the greatest Syracuse basketball player of all-time. Dating back to their existence too.
How can Melo critics sit here and lie to our face. As if we all haven't followed NBA basketball throughout the entire 2000's as our Knicks were a laughing stock franchise as Melo emerged into the league and onto the NBA scene. I was tuned into NBA draft night after Melo led Syracuse to a National championship. How can these Melo critics physically state (with words through their computer) that this kid in Carmelo Anthony never completely turned (Gallo's current) Denver franchise around? Carmelo Anthony has been an NBA force dating back to day one. He (as a rookie) changed the entire culture of Denver Nuggets basketball from the second he was drafted third overall. From their jersey color/scheme, to their logo and all the way back to their previous losing ways (as a Nuggets franchise). As a rookie, Carmelo Anthony completely changed Denver's entire culture (pretty much) single handedly. Melo wasn't only the NBA Rookie Challenge MVP but Melo also landed NBA All-Rookie First Team honors. He was more than a franchise player for Denver, he was a culture changer dating back to day one of his rookie season.
Melo has truthfully feasted against the likes of elite Western Conference defenses dating back to day one of his rookie season. During the elite/golden years of the Western Conference as well. During Melo's 3rd NBA game as a rookie he dropped 30 points off 12/24 shooting, 5 boards, 4 assists, 3 steals and only two turnovers against a really tough Western Conference team. The Portland Trailblazers. During his 5th career NBA game Melo goes on to drop 36 points off 12/20 shooting, 11 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal and only three turnovers against Joe Johnson, Amar'e Stoudemire and the Phoenix Suns. During only his 7th game Carmelo Anthony put up 41 points off 19/29 shooting to go along with 5 boards, 2 steals and 1 block. And the rest was history from there. He's yet to look back. He completely changed Denver's entire culture. Fans came to see Carmelo Anthony perform as their up and coming NBA Star. Carmelo Anthony during only his rookie season instantly became Denver's franchise player as only a raw rookie with next to zero college experience outside of a National Championship.
During the 8 seasons before Melo arrived for his rookie season in Denver, the Nuggets as a franchise combined for 8 consecutive losing seasons while also missing the postseason during 8 consecutive seasons with a combined losing record of 200-424. That's 224 games below .500 during 8 years before the drafting of Melo third overall.
During the 8 seasons after Melo arrived for his rookie season in Denver, the Nuggets as a franchise combined for 8 consecutive winning seasons being led by Melo while also landing 8 consecutive trips to the postseason along with a Western Conference Finals appearance with a winning record of 388-268.
That's a 344 game turnaround when comparing 8 seasons before/after Melo. An average of +43 wins per season when comparing before/after Melo in regards to Denver's franchise. This kid is a pure fire winner. Won it for Syracuse during his first and only season. Led Syracuse to something that they've only been led to one time during 55 years (and counting). Completely changed the entire culture of Denver Nuggets Basketball. Our Knicks are now first place of our Atlantic Division ala something in which we haven't won dating back to 1994 and only four times as a franchise and/or second place of the Entire Eastern Conference during only Melo's first (full) season as a Knick. All of this winning in which has followed Melo a coincidence? Not a chance. This man is a natural born winner and one who's clutch as they come during pressure situations. He's a winner.
4 out of Melo's 6 first round exits came against the likes of dynasty era squads. Kobe and the Lakers (x2) along with Duncan and the Spurs (x2). But yet it's now Melo who's made out to be some type of career postseason loser by the likes of TKF? That's nice to know, because I've noticed through post history/pattern, that these types of critics refuse to acknowledge the fact that both Kobe and the Lakers along with Duncan and the Spurs combined for 4 championships before Carmelo Anthony was even drafted into the NBA. Kobe and the Lakers along with Duncan and the Spurs both had two championships (a piece) by the time Melo even played his first NBA game as a Denver Nugget.
All of this (current) talk about Gallo playing in such a tough Western Conference is nothing more than a hypocritical joke. A joke in which is driven by a nasty agenda. Aimed right at the head of our very own Carmelo Anthony. When they speak of this so called tough Western Conference because of Kevin Durant and the Thunder? It's a head shot at Melo. They fail to mention how it's after Kobe and the Lakers/Duncan and the Spurs have both aged and/or are longer in their prime years. Which wasn't the case for Melo or his Nuggets.
They'll hang Melo due to first round eliminations, but yet no mention on how the Cavs under LeBron James failed to land a single trip to the postseason (during the trash years of the Eastern Conference) during LeBron's first two seasons in Cleveland? You know, during the same time period in which Melo was going to war against the likes of Sam Cassell, Wally Szczerbiak, the great Latrell Sprewell along with Kevin Garnett and the Timberwolves during Melo's rookie season? What about as LeBron watched from home during Melo's second postseason as the Denver Nuggets went up against Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Manu Ginobili, Glenn Robinson, Time Duncan and the Spurs? During only Melo's second NBA season after only one season of college experience? Yea, right. Some loser this Melo kid was. If only LeBron started off in the West and/or never joined forces with both Wade and Bosh in order to escape the Eastern Conference and/or finally win it all.
First round loss against Sam Cassell, Wally Szczerbiak, the great Latrell Sprewell, Kevin Garnett and the Timberwolves during only Melo's rookie season, but yet, no mention of this?
A first round loss against Tony Parker, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Manu Ginobili, Glenn Robinson, Tim Duncan and the Spurs during only his second NBA season? Why isn't this being talked about when harping all over Melo's postseason history?
Not to compare Melo to LeBron, but as Melo once again, faces off against the Dynasty Spurs (58-24) during only his 4th NBA season (1st round) LeBron James gets to face the 41-41 Wizards during the first round? No mention of this?
What about during his 5th season where Melo's Nuggets went up against Fisher, Kobe, Odom, Gasol, Phil Jackson and the 57-25 Lakers in which met the Celtics during the NBA Finals while LeBron (once again) gets the Wizards during the first round before losing to Boston? And, in case you weren't following what's taken place here... LeBron the year before, got swept by the Spurs 4-0 during the Finals. No mention of none of this when in regards to speaking Melo's first rounder's?
In 2008-2009 as Melo once again runs into the 65-17 Lakers (this time during the Western Conference Finals) after eliminating the 49-33 Hornets with CP3, Peja Stojakovic, David West, Tyson Chandler along with 50-32 Mavs with Kidd, Terry, Barea, Josh Howard and Dirk... LeBron James gets the 39-43 Pistons during the first, 47-35 Hawks during the second round before losing to the 59-23 Magic during the Eastern Conference Finals. No mention of this from the likes of TKF talking up LeBron/Gallo and/or while bashing/harping all over Melo as if he's some type of career loser due to the situation(s) he was drafted into?
You can consider LeBron a greater overall player, but never consider him a greater leader when compared to Carmelo Anthony. Because he's not. Being drafted into the extremely weak East followed by running to South Beach with Wade, Bosh and Riley doesn't make you a great leader. And nowhere near as battle tested as Melo currently is. As of right now Melo is battle tested and stronger than ever. He's gained so much postseason experience against all-time greats and/or dynasty era teams of the Western Conference. LeBron James has only fought through the extremely weak East before having to join forces with Wade and Bosh in order to win his first (and only) Championship during a shortened season. Those postseason experiences in regards to Melo are priceless when in regards to moving forward.
holfresh wrote:^^^..Dude where do u get the stamina??
He gets payed to do this