Knicks · after watch CAVs Kylie, KNICKS need to go with another plan & get their own special star..if Melodrama fails to succeed (page 4)

dk7th wrote:figured out? i think so. for me numbers are not the priority though. defense is. he has to be the exemplar.

but just for kicks what numbers do you want to see from him?

I think the purpose of the post was making kyrie our franchise player & sliding melo to the #2 role

callmened wrote:Why are we talking about melo?!?

I think the purpose of the post was making kyrie our franchise player & sliding melo to the #2 role

callmened wrote:Thats negative energy...PLEASE lets not mention marbury and just move fwd

Papabear Says

Hey it's not us. Whenever DK gets a chance to bash Melo he does. Well LeBron sure loves playing with him.

dk7th wrote:

toad wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo may be a marbury-type. talented sure, but impossible to build around successfully.

C'mon, man. Marbury-type? That's pretty loaded.

what's loaded about it? marbury always put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in denver? put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in new york? he's putting up numbers but if we don't make it to the ECF we are all going to have to face the fact that he can put up numbers wherever he goes and not take his team anywhere.

So Melo went to the WCF in Denver, but that qualifies as going nowhere. He takes us to the ECF, and that's somewhere.
How does that logic work, again?

dk; you, tkf and others just don't like the man. That's purely acceptable. No one's asking you to buy the 7 jersey and wear pompoms, but try to temper the hate.

LivingLegend wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:Irving is a monster, but, he's no LeBron James. He can't turn a franchise around himself.

Last year Cleveland went 21-45. This year they've only gone 16-37.

They've only gone 37-82 since the drafting of Kyrie Irving.

45 games below .500 since the drafting of Irving, but yet, we're talking about the Knicks potentially looking up at Cleveland within the near future? Right.

Can anyone post Denver's record before/after Melo --- something tells me Melo will show a far larger improvement in years 1 & 2 but not certain.

Here you go.

2012-13 Denver Nuggets 26-18 (.591) - -
2011-12 Denver Nuggets 38-28 (.576) 3-4 (.429) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2010-11 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2009-10 Denver Nuggets 53-29 (.646) 2-4 (.333) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2008-09 Denver Nuggets 54-28 (.659) 10-6 (.625) Lost Western Conference Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets 50-32 (.610) 0-4 (.000) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2006-07 Denver Nuggets 45-37 (.549) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2005-06 Denver Nuggets 44-38 (.537) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2004-05 Denver Nuggets 49-33 (.598) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2003-04 Denver Nuggets 43-39 (.524) 1-4 (.200) Lost Western Conference 1st Rd
2002-03 Denver Nuggets 17-65 (.207) - - DNQ
2001-02 Denver Nuggets 27-55 (.329) - - DNQ

callmened wrote:You think he wants to stay in cleveland as a free agent?

What part of restricted free agency don't you get? It doesn't matter what Irving wants until he becomes an UFA. You really think he'll give up his first major payday to get out of Cleveland? He'll wait the extra five years and take his 80 million.

y2zipper wrote:

callmened wrote:You think he wants to stay in cleveland as a free agent?

What part of restricted free agency don't you get? It doesn't matter what Irving wants until he becomes an UFA. You really think he'll give up his first major payday to get out of Cleveland? He'll wait the extra five years and take his 80 million.

Yup. They will extend him as soon as they can. Plus he will take it because he seems injury prone.

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

toad wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo may be a marbury-type. talented sure, but impossible to build around successfully.

C'mon, man. Marbury-type? That's pretty loaded.

what's loaded about it? marbury always put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in denver? put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in new york? he's putting up numbers but if we don't make it to the ECF we are all going to have to face the fact that he can put up numbers wherever he goes and not take his team anywhere.

So Melo went to the WCF in Denver, but that qualifies as going nowhere. He takes us to the ECF, and that's somewhere.
How does that logic work, again?

dk; you, tkf and others just don't like the man. That's purely acceptable. No one's asking you to buy the 7 jersey and wear pompoms, but try to temper the hate.

2004: lost 4-1 to minnie
2005: lost 4-1 to spurs
2006: lost 4-1 to clips
2007: lost 4-1 to spurs
2008: lost 4-0 to lakers
2009: thank goodness for chauncey billups
2010: lost 4-2 to jazz
2011: lost 4-0 to boston
2012: lost 4-1 to miami

the operative phrase in my statement is "never really" which means "for the most part." and if you look at the number of actual wins he led his teams to in the first round it speaks volumes about how overrated carmelo anthony is. it doesn't mean that he isn't a VERY GOOD player-- he obviously is very good and even brilliant on occasion-- but when you have a playoff record like he does it translates to: a player who can't be built around-- which the knicks are trying and looks like failing to do.

not liking him personally doesn't matter very much although issues of character do eventually find their way onto the court both for better and worse. it's really about whether he plays the game the right way, which means playing a winning brand of basketball-- winning means more than shiny regular-season records and first round appearances. these are hollow accomplishments. it's why you are starting to hear rumblings of concern among the fanbase. there is not a single fan who does not expect to make the playoffs and there are yet very few who don't think we can make it to the second round. but most fans expect an ECF appearance.

getting consistently into the second round and beyond is a mark of accomplishment. i have never moved the goalposts since this trade happened.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

toad wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo may be a marbury-type. talented sure, but impossible to build around successfully.

C'mon, man. Marbury-type? That's pretty loaded.

what's loaded about it? marbury always put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in denver? put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in new york? he's putting up numbers but if we don't make it to the ECF we are all going to have to face the fact that he can put up numbers wherever he goes and not take his team anywhere.

So Melo went to the WCF in Denver, but that qualifies as going nowhere. He takes us to the ECF, and that's somewhere.
How does that logic work, again?

dk; you, tkf and others just don't like the man. That's purely acceptable. No one's asking you to buy the 7 jersey and wear pompoms, but try to temper the hate.

2004: lost 4-1 to minnie
2005: lost 4-1 to spurs
2006: lost 4-1 to clips
2007: lost 4-1 to spurs
2008: lost 4-0 to lakers
2009: thank goodness for chauncey billups
2010: lost 4-2 to jazz
2011: lost 4-0 to boston
2012: lost 4-1 to miami

the operative phrase in my statement is "never really" which means "for the most part." and if you look at the number of actual wins he led his teams to in the first round it speaks volumes about how overrated carmelo anthony is. it doesn't mean that he isn't a VERY GOOD player-- he obviously is very good and even brilliant on occasion-- but when you have a playoff record like he does it translates to: a player who can't be built around-- which the knicks are trying and looks like failing to do.

not liking him personally doesn't matter very much although issues of character do eventually find their way onto the court both for better and worse. it's really about whether he plays the game the right way, which means playing a winning brand of basketball-- winning means more than shiny regular-season records and first round appearances. these are hollow accomplishments. it's why you are starting to hear rumblings of concern among the fanbase. there is not a single fan who does not expect to make the playoffs and there are yet very few who don't think we can make it to the second round. but most fans expect an ECF appearance.

getting consistently into the second round and beyond is a mark of accomplishment. i have never moved the goalposts since this trade happened.

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

toad wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo may be a marbury-type. talented sure, but impossible to build around successfully.

C'mon, man. Marbury-type? That's pretty loaded.

what's loaded about it? marbury always put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in denver? put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in new york? he's putting up numbers but if we don't make it to the ECF we are all going to have to face the fact that he can put up numbers wherever he goes and not take his team anywhere.

So Melo went to the WCF in Denver, but that qualifies as going nowhere. He takes us to the ECF, and that's somewhere.
How does that logic work, again?

dk; you, tkf and others just don't like the man. That's purely acceptable. No one's asking you to buy the 7 jersey and wear pompoms, but try to temper the hate.

2004: lost 4-1 to minnie
2005: lost 4-1 to spurs
2006: lost 4-1 to clips
2007: lost 4-1 to spurs
2008: lost 4-0 to lakers
2009: thank goodness for chauncey billups
2010: lost 4-2 to jazz
2011: lost 4-0 to boston
2012: lost 4-1 to miami

the operative phrase in my statement is "never really" which means "for the most part." and if you look at the number of actual wins he led his teams to in the first round it speaks volumes about how overrated carmelo anthony is. it doesn't mean that he isn't a VERY GOOD player-- he obviously is very good and even brilliant on occasion-- but when you have a playoff record like he does it translates to: a player who can't be built around-- which the knicks are trying and looks like failing to do.

not liking him personally doesn't matter very much although issues of character do eventually find their way onto the court both for better and worse. it's really about whether he plays the game the right way, which means playing a winning brand of basketball-- winning means more than shiny regular-season records and first round appearances. these are hollow accomplishments. it's why you are starting to hear rumblings of concern among the fanbase. there is not a single fan who does not expect to make the playoffs and there are yet very few who don't think we can make it to the second round. but most fans expect an ECF appearance.

getting consistently into the second round and beyond is a mark of accomplishment. i have never moved the goalposts since this trade happened.

it's unhealthy how much you and tkf despise Melo, it really is.

Not even touching the obvious, but seriously, how can you put Denver going into the WCF as "thank god for Billups" when Melo was clearly the leader of that team and the main reason they got there in the 1st place?
Let me guess, you're also one of those "Kidd is our real MVP" guys aren't you?

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

toad wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo may be a marbury-type. talented sure, but impossible to build around successfully.

C'mon, man. Marbury-type? That's pretty loaded.

what's loaded about it? marbury always put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in denver? put up numbers but never really took his teams anywhere. melo in new york? he's putting up numbers but if we don't make it to the ECF we are all going to have to face the fact that he can put up numbers wherever he goes and not take his team anywhere.

So Melo went to the WCF in Denver, but that qualifies as going nowhere. He takes us to the ECF, and that's somewhere.
How does that logic work, again?

dk; you, tkf and others just don't like the man. That's purely acceptable. No one's asking you to buy the 7 jersey and wear pompoms, but try to temper the hate.

2004: lost 4-1 to minnie
2005: lost 4-1 to spurs
2006: lost 4-1 to clips
2007: lost 4-1 to spurs
2008: lost 4-0 to lakers
2009: thank goodness for chauncey billups
2010: lost 4-2 to jazz
2011: lost 4-0 to boston
2012: lost 4-1 to miami

the operative phrase in my statement is "never really" which means "for the most part." and if you look at the number of actual wins he led his teams to in the first round it speaks volumes about how overrated carmelo anthony is. it doesn't mean that he isn't a VERY GOOD player-- he obviously is very good and even brilliant on occasion-- but when you have a playoff record like he does it translates to: a player who can't be built around-- which the knicks are trying and looks like failing to do.

not liking him personally doesn't matter very much although issues of character do eventually find their way onto the court both for better and worse. it's really about whether he plays the game the right way, which means playing a winning brand of basketball-- winning means more than shiny regular-season records and first round appearances. these are hollow accomplishments. it's why you are starting to hear rumblings of concern among the fanbase. there is not a single fan who does not expect to make the playoffs and there are yet very few who don't think we can make it to the second round. but most fans expect an ECF appearance.

getting consistently into the second round and beyond is a mark of accomplishment. i have never moved the goalposts since this trade happened.

it's unhealthy how much you and tkf despise Melo, it really is.

Not even touching the obvious, but seriously, how can you put Denver going into the WCF as "thank god for Billups" when Melo was clearly the leader of that team and the main reason they got there in the 1st place?
Let me guess, you're also one of those "Kidd is our real MVP" guys aren't you?

These guys aren't fans my dude, they're nothing more than trolls. They stay inside of the other games threads for a reason. Then pick and choose which threads to troll with Melo venom. They hate our greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing of his prime years, they love Gallo with all their little hearts, they'll talk about Melo's failures 24/7 while completely ignoring Gallo's failures at the same time. They did it at RealGM. They're doing it here.

Let's not even compare the likes of Mozgov, Curry, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph and Gallo's career numbers, overall success and/or accolades. Because this is what it all comes down to. They hated the trade. They want nothing to do with all of the above. At least Melo's had the leadership ability along with overall talents to lead his teams to the postseason each and every season. Can't win a championship without first knocking on the door ala landing a trip to the postseason.

08-09: No playoffs.
09-10: No playoffs.
10-11: First round loss (1-4).
11-12: First round loss (3-4).

No mention of this? Nope.

They'll ignore how Gallo, during a game 7, only went 1/9 from the field with only 3 points and 4 turnovers. Silent as a lamb. Quiet as a mouse. Awful performance and the sole reason why Denver's teammates were eliminated by 9 points during a win or go home situation. And this overrated soft player in Gallo actually goes (chokes) with not only 1/9 shooting but also only putting up 3 points and 4 turnovers? Patheitc under the pressure during a clutch situation. No mention of Gallo's postseason failures and/or awful postseason performance(s).

Wanna talk about NBA accolades?

Gallo: Nothing.

Melo: NBA All-Rookie First Team. NBA Rookie Challenge MVP (2005). FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2006). 4× All-NBA Third Team. 1x All-NBA Second Team. 6× NBA All-Star (2007–2008, 2010–2013). 2x American Gold Medalist Olympian.

Melo may win the scoring title this season as well. Currently ranked #2 behind only Kevin Durant.

But yet we're the Clowns. Losers. Homers and/or the fans who support our greatest Knick since Patrick Ewing while rolling our eyes at a soft European player who can never be on the level of a Dirk, let alone a LeBron/Durant/Melo.

callmened wrote:Again...the post is about kyrie and the future...not revisitng the melo trade

Almost every post on this board turns into a regurgitation of debates regarding the Carmelo trade. It is highly annoying.

As for Kyrie, he is a great young player but his greatness has not started to translate into wins yet.