Knicks · Knicks 29th in ast, thats ridiculous (page 1)
Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.
dk7th wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.
Does it have anything to do with the fact that we have awful shooters?
Tyson can't shoot at all
Amare can't get his own shot from the outside
JR ... nuff said
Novak has been a disaster and its because he is way too slow
Kidd has no legs
Shumpert ditto (I hope)
Who can shoot? Who can open the floor? Maybe we also go ISO because nothing else is working. And I hate the no ball movement but that is only part of the problem. There are guys getting wide open shots and just bricking them.
BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
mrKnickShot wrote:dk7th wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.Does it have anything to do with the fact that we have awful shooters?
Tyson can't shoot at all
Amare can't get his own shot from the outside
JR ... nuff said
Novak has been a disaster and its because he is way too slow
Kidd has no legs
Shumpert ditto (I hope)Who can shoot? Who can open the floor? Maybe we also go ISO because nothing else is working. And I hate the no ball movement but that is only part of the problem. There are guys getting wide open shots and just bricking them.
This Slump May Be Permanent
As He Nears 40, Jason Kidd's Shooting Has Grown Ice Cold and Defenses Are Taking Advantage
By CHRIS HERRING
[image] Getty ImagesJason Kidd is mired in the worst shooting span of his career.
GREENBURGH, N.Y.—NBA coaches seldom find themselves giving pep talks to future Hall of Famers. But Mike Woodson felt the need to have that sort of conversation recently with Jason Kidd, who's been reluctant to pull the trigger at times.
"I told him, 'You've made big shots over your career. We need you to shoot,'" Woodson said. "Those are good shots he's passing up."
For anyone who's watched Kidd lately, the hesitation is almost understandable. Over the past 12 games—the worst 12-game shooting span in his 19-year career, according to Stats LLC—he's shot 20% from the field overall and 15.9% from distance, prompting subtle questions about whether he should remain a starter.
But with Kidd just weeks away from his 40th birthday, perhaps there is a more important question worth raising: Is Kidd just mired in a massive slump, or has he just passed the point where he can continue to be productive each night?
With each passing game, the answer looks more like the latter. Kidd knocked down just one of his seven shots in Sunday's win over Philadelphia, and missed all six of his three-point tries. Even when he drilled two of his four triples Friday in Toronto, both Woodson and Carmelo Anthony expressed surprise at Kidd passing up a pair of wide-open shots.
Advanced statistics illustrate that Kidd—No. 3 in NBA history in made 3-point shots—has been getting an abundance of open looks, almost as if defenses are daring to him to shoot while he fights through this cold streak. In November, when made 51% of his attempts and 49% of his three-point tries, he was being left open only 55% of the time. In 10 games this month, he has been left open for a whopping 71% of his jumpers, according to Synergy Sports. He hasn't made teams pay for it: Kidd's connected on just 17% of his open shots in February.
Aside from the obvious, the misfires have been problematic for two reasons. First, there are signs that Kidd doesn't mesh particularly well alongside fellow wing Iman Shumpert. In the 172 minutes Kidd and Shumpert have shared the floor, the Knicks have logged just 83.1 points per 100 possessions—a rate that wouldn't even put their offense on par with that of the Washington Wizards, who rank last in offensive efficiency.
Similar to Kidd, opposing teams haven't feared Shumpert shooting from outside. In the 16 games he's played since returning from knee surgery, Shumpert has been left open almost for almost 90% of his opportunities.
Secondly, defensive indifference toward Shumpert and Kidd has allowed teams to throw more defenders at Carmelo Anthony, who's posted a 40.8% field-goal percentage in February, his worst shooting month of the season.
But perhaps the most jarring thing about Kidd's game is how much it contrasts from the stellar play he flashed three months ago. In November, when the Knicks were the league's hottest team, Kidd made Woodson look like a genius for effectively turning him into a shooting guard, with less ball-handling responsibility. In early December, Kidd drilled a game-winning three to beat the Brooklyn Nets, 100-97, in the closing moments.
But Kidd went back to being a full-time point guard after Felton fractured a finger on Christmas and missed nearly a month. Woodson said the assignment took a toll on Kidd, whom Woodson took blame for overextending at times. (Despite Woodson's acknowledgment, Kidd's 29.4 minutes per game during Felton's absence were actually less than the 29.6 minutes he logged while Felton was healthy. Kidd's averaged 28 minutes the past 2½ weeks—an amount Woodson said Tuesday he's comfortable with going forward.)
Kidd insists playing time isn't the problem. "The shots I've had have all looked good; felt good—nothing to do with minutes. It's just the game of basketball, where they go in or sometimes they don't," he said, adding that the nature of the misses—short and long, rather than right or left—leaves him confident.
Still, it certainly wasn't promising when Kidd—who's in the first of a three-year, $9-million deal—emerged from the weeklong All-Star break with a shot that was still broken despite the time off.
"Rest helps. And I think it'd be wise to limit his minutes," said ESPN analyst Tim Legler, recalling the mortality of his own once-beautiful jump shot. "But when you get to Jason's age, your tank empties much faster. After a while, it's much more than just a 'rest' or a 'legs' issue."
Write to Chris Herring at chris.herring@wsj.com
See to be a real play maker you have to get players open and take the shot for them.
JamesKPolk wrote:Not ridiculous if you pay attention to our offense. There is zero ball movement.
lol
AnubisADL wrote:Miami last is rebounding so what.
Who cares when they are so damn efficient on offense and play lock down D when it matters on the other end. It is something Miami will need to give more attention to though....meanwhile we have crappy stats in many other areas.
dk7th wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.
Your fixation on Melo has really gotten out of hand. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this. If your hatred is really to the point that you can't write one comment without bashing Melo then maybe you should consider whether writing these comments is worth your time. A lot of people here don't like Melo, but he is not the center of their universe. This is the New York Knicks team, not the New York Melos, even if his iso makes it seem like that sometimes. Melo deserves a lot of criticism, but to pretend he is EVERYTHING wrong with this team is incorrect, foolish, and flat-out ridiculous. There may be plenty of "moobies" on this sight, or whatever people call them, but the opposite is no better.
AnubisADL wrote:Miami last is rebounding so what.
This stat does not = assists.
dk7th wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.
Yeah, the guy with the ball in his hands so often never gets assists. Of course our team assists are going to be low! It's not the guard's shooting percentages. Even when their percentages were high at the start of the season, Melo was not getting assists. He now is fortunate to have an extremely efficient PF and C to pass to. Hopefully he'll take advantage of it.
mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
yeah but, I don't think his hand is 100%. Earlier in the season he was dishing out about 6-7 assists a game but, since his return its down to about 4-5. As the season goes along and his hand gets better it may get better. The one that is throwing me off is Kidds lack of production. Yeah, I can understand the scoring being down because of the minutes but, the court vision isn't what I would have expected. Been seeing a couple of bad plays and passes out of him lately.
Dagger wrote:dk7th wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:BRIGGS wrote:knicks1248 wrote:with 3 guards in our starting line up and a center who can't create his own shot.Were not going to be the heat with out passing the ball A LOT.
I just don't understand why woodson is hell bent on making this a predictable team..
I feel very confident saying that our guard play will cost us come playoff time. We need to completely rebuild the backcourt.
Really?
But isn't Felton back?
back to giving the ball to melo for a clear out iso..
same thing with kidd, when ever the PnR isn't there we go right to melo, or jr..
We never run even when we have a fast break opportunity (maybe felton) but kidd will slow it down immediately, him of all people.
Yes. Very little innovation by Woody but we have players who just plain can't shoot. Not a good thing.
Funny how well Melo was playing when his teammates were scoring, it opened up the floor. You can have spacing when players can't hit shots.
The reason behind the players not hitting shots? When the ball stagnates as it does with Felton and Carmelo handling the ball the vast majority of the time... shooting percentages will have to go down. These are pros but they are human. Selfishness has its downside.Your fixation on Melo has really gotten out of hand. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this. If your hatred is really to the point that you can't write one comment without bashing Melo then maybe you should consider whether writing these comments is worth your time. A lot of people here don't like Melo, but he is not the center of their universe. This is the New York Knicks team, not the New York Melos, even if his iso makes it seem like that sometimes. Melo deserves a lot of criticism, but to pretend he is EVERYTHING wrong with this team is incorrect, foolish, and flat-out ridiculous. There may be plenty of "moobies" on this sight, or whatever people call them, but the opposite is no better.
my fixation is on the players who are most responsible for underachieving.
usage rate tells you how often the ball is in a player's hands. carmelo's usage is 34.3%. but in terms of creativity for all the time the ball is in his hands he makes a paltry 2.7 assists. moreover the ratio of usage rate to assist rate-- assist rate being the amount of time in percent that the team manages to assist a player on his basket-- is a bad 2.41:1. these numbers are not conducive to teamwork. and finally, lets take a peek at his TS%. just how efficient is he? he started off great but has since regressed to close to his career average. it is this mediocre and soon to be less-than-mediocre average that reinforces what we see during games, namely, that he takes way too many bad shots. and his defense is also far below the level necessary from what it needs to be.
felton? same exact issues. the numbers are damning. smith? doesn't get to the line nearly enough. he clearly does not like contact. so he too ends up taking bad shots.
ball movement establishes rhythm and cohesion and rhythm and cohesion establishes focus for shooters. anybody who has played this game in an organized fashion knows this.
a solid pick and roll game is also a great way to score efficiently.
in my opinion, the least desirable way to try and score is the drive and kick that has become fashionable since the advent of the rule changes surrounding palming and traveling. this allows lesser ballhandlers such as felton, marbury, francis, westbrook, and yes even rose-- who lack genuine court vision, lack the instinct to pass the ball in traffic, and lack the ability to maintain their dribble-- to remain underachievers.