Knicks · It Starts With The Front Office (page 2)

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.
it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

From the NYK website under FRONT OFFICE

Executive Chairman, Madison Square Garden & NBA Governor James L. Dolan
President & Chief Executive Officer, Madison Square Garden & NBA Alternate Governor Hank J. Ratner
Executive Vice President and General Manager Glen Grunwald
Executive Vice President, Corporate Sales & Solutions Greg Economou
Executive Vice President, Marketing & Sales Howard Jacobs
Senior Vice President, Finance and Controller John Cudmore
Senior Vice President, Marketing Brian Grossman
Senior Vice President, Legal & Business Affairs – Sports Operations John Master
Senior Vice President, Sports Team Operations Mark Piazza
Deputy General Counsel & Senior Vice President, Legal and Business Affairs Team Operations Marc Schoenfeld

Never, ever... not in a billion trillon years... question the intellectual honesty of The Answer Man

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

The Melo trade likely doesn't happen if the team didn't have Amare already.

Personally I'm content with the squad but for the folks who point to the melo trade as the turning point, it likely doesn't happen with an already Amare in place.

okay well explain why. i have the converse opinion-- that it was not necessary to trade for melo with stat already here. my explanation was then and is now an issue of flawed players who are essentially redundant and would find it virtually impossible to both play and thrive with one another and for one another. subtraction by addition.

what's your justification for the trade?

Donnie Walsh promised Dolan two stars and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ.

donnie walsh = donnie walsh
dolan = dolan

the knicks = ?

Donnie tanked for two years, Donnie made the space to sign two max players only to get one, and that one who proved to not be worth his deal after 50 games, with his original team not willing to guarantee but 2 years of the same such deal.

Once you're in, you go all in, which they did.

But since we're discussing opinion, my opinion is the team wouldn't have made the playoffs without the trade.

They were skidding at the time, and amare admitted he was getting "tired".

misterearl wrote:Categorically Correct and Factorial

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.
it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

From the NYK website under FRONT OFFICE

Executive Chairman, Madison Square Garden & NBA Governor James L. Dolan
President & Chief Executive Officer, Madison Square Garden & NBA Alternate Governor Hank J. Ratner
Executive Vice President and General Manager Glen Grunwald
Executive Vice President, Corporate Sales & Solutions Greg Economou
Executive Vice President, Marketing & Sales Howard Jacobs
Senior Vice President, Finance and Controller John Cudmore
Senior Vice President, Marketing Brian Grossman
Senior Vice President, Legal & Business Affairs – Sports Operations John Master
Senior Vice President, Sports Team Operations Mark Piazza
Deputy General Counsel & Senior Vice President, Legal and Business Affairs Team Operations Marc Schoenfeld

Never, ever... not in a billion trillon years... question the intellectual honesty of The Answer Man

i just did and justifiably so.

all you have to do is list dolan. anything short of that is misdirection.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

The Melo trade likely doesn't happen if the team didn't have Amare already.

Personally I'm content with the squad but for the folks who point to the melo trade as the turning point, it likely doesn't happen with an already Amare in place.

okay well explain why. i have the converse opinion-- that it was not necessary to trade for melo with stat already here. my explanation was then and is now an issue of flawed players who are essentially redundant and would find it virtually impossible to both play and thrive with one another and for one another. subtraction by addition.

what's your justification for the trade?

Donnie Walsh promised Dolan two stars and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ.

donnie walsh = donnie walsh
dolan = dolan

the knicks = ?

This what you post when you dont have an intelligent response? 2+2=4?

Donnie tanked for two years, Donnie made the space to sign two max players only to get one, and that one who proved to not be worth his deal after 50 games, with his original team not willing to guarantee but 2 years of the same such deal.

Once you're in, you go all in, which they did.

But since we're discussing opinion, my opinion is the team wouldn't have made the playoffs without the trade.

They were skidding at the time, and amare admitted he was getting "tired".

my post was intelligent in that it pointed out a certain logical inconsistency. a shame you didn't pick up on that, and even more so that you compounded it with the following:

"Once you're in, you go all in--"

says who?

and then:

"which they did."

who is the responsible party that is represented by the term "they?" you see how you are merely continuing the obfuscation. it's exactly the same issue implied by my previous post when i posed the following question:

the knicks = ?

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this title is categorically false and misleading.

it starts with ownership.

the present makeup of the team was catalyzed by an event between two people two years ago. the present makeup of the team is traceable back to that event.

it is intellectually dishonest to not even list this as one of the choices.

grunwald did the best he could from an extremely compromised position.

if and when the knicks don't get past chicago or boston, the two most likely 1st round opponents, this whole team will have to be blown up.

I think it has a lot more to do with the plan for the summer of 2010, the shedding of assets and getting taken advantage of in every trade because the exit goal was known by everyone. I love Amare but the guy was a bad signing. Phoenix would have him brought him back if the timeline for micro fracture surgery wasn't five years. Walsh was in a compromised position after all of the moves he made to be in able to sign LBJ and another star. He had to come away with something and now the Knicks have the highest paid seventh man in the league and the guy maybe back on the shelf.

i agree with you about signing stoudemire. it was a case of necessary evil. we had to sign a big name after the lebron collusion. so yes walsh was forced to sign damaged goods and a deeply flawed player for franchise level money to boot. we knick fans had to suffer through two entire seasons of roster flush in the hope of landing lebron. doing nothing would have been extremely brave but ultimately was not feasible if only for the risk of alienating the fan base who patiently waited and needed to be rewarded for that patience.

but as that signing was a necessary evil, what was the carmelo signing? not necessary in my humble opinion. but so far as i am concerned it planted the seeds of evil, as it were. not saying carmelo is evil, ok? i am simply saying this is a bad situation, we are reaping what dolan sowed, and that dolan should have let his basketball people make decisions based on building a team in new york.

first round exit is traceable to dolan. he can't help himself. all that money and he's still a loser.

The Melo trade likely doesn't happen if the team didn't have Amare already.

Personally I'm content with the squad but for the folks who point to the melo trade as the turning point, it likely doesn't happen with an already Amare in place.

okay well explain why. i have the converse opinion-- that it was not necessary to trade for melo with stat already here. my explanation was then and is now an issue of flawed players who are essentially redundant and would find it virtually impossible to both play and thrive with one another and for one another. subtraction by addition.

what's your justification for the trade?

Donnie Walsh promised Dolan two stars and the Knicks didn't want Melo to end up in NJ.

donnie walsh = donnie walsh
dolan = dolan

the knicks = ?

This what you post when you dont have an intelligent response? 2+2=4?

Donnie tanked for two years, Donnie made the space to sign two max players only to get one, and that one who proved to not be worth his deal after 50 games, with his original team not willing to guarantee but 2 years of the same such deal.

Once you're in, you go all in, which they did.

But since we're discussing opinion, my opinion is the team wouldn't have made the playoffs without the trade.

They were skidding at the time, and amare admitted he was getting "tired".

my post was intelligent in that it pointed out a certain logical inconsistency. a shame you didn't pick up on that, and even more so that you compounded it with the following:

"Once you're in, you go all in--"

says who?

and then:

"which they did."

who is the responsible party that is represented by the term "they?" you see how you are merely continuing the obfuscation. it's exactly the same issue implied by my previous post when i posed the following question:

the knicks = ?

Donnie is just as responsible for the result at that time as Dolan was.

Donnie was an accomplice, and actually the mastermind of the plan, which is just as negligible as the person who pulled the trigger.