Knicks · Doctors still not sure what's causing Melo's knee problems (page 2)

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

how can someone who doesnt defend be yours? Last time Melo played any D the tree was lit at Rock center. It was a good run up to the holidays? What happened? (Aside from what always happens)

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

Because i hated marbury and crawful knicks was awful. Nate was special but dumb. Zbo was immature. Theres why

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

Yep....dont forget Big Baby and Delonte West, they didn't add dinosaurs

They also added a league MVP in Garnett....guys who were ALL-NBAers 1st and 2nd multiples

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

how can someone who doesnt defend be yours? Last time Melo played any D the tree was lit at Rock center. It was a good run up to the holidays? What happened? (Aside from what always happens)

Show me the clips of Melo running away at the speed of light to keep from being posterized. Please. And Melo never played defense, right? I at least have up until Christmas to remember. Show me your incredible D clips of DLee. Let me know how that works out for you.

Great, I bring up Jorts, and you respond with Melohate. Priceless.

gunsnewing wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

Because i hated marbury and crawful knicks was awful. Nate was special but dumb. Zbo was immature. Theres why

Game. Set. Match. Agreed on every point, although I did buy into the Marbles thing for most of his first season.

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

That's the point we brought in players who best yrs were behind them without the support. It's not like we brought in the best of Melo/Amar'e/Chandler had we, things might possibly be different...

Imagine 2008-2009 Melo on this team(WCF Melo) or 2007-2008 Melo(Best overall efficient yr IMO)

Imagine 2007-2008 Stat on this team(Best Career Numbers as a Sun)

Imagine 2007-2008 Chandler on this team(Best season IMO playing with CP3)

With exception to 2008-2009 Melo they all played 79gms in 2007-2008. I still hold to the fact Melo and Amar'e aren't a good mix but it would be a much stronger case had we got those caliber of players compared to what we have now.

Your never going to get a good understanding of how good this roster can be cause they can't stay healthy for any stretch.

Doesn't matter who's on the team

Melo trying to prove he can play through pain and hindering the team on both ends is almost assinine..Unless he intends to play smarter and more efficient (which at time he seems like he has no desire to do that) and not just play off his physical (im hurt) talents.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

Add to the fact our medical/training staff isn't at the top of the league of getting players to recover quickly from or properly diagnose and/or help prevent injuries with high quality conditioning regimens and maintenance treatments.

While I'm sure Melo and Amar'e have done the best in their mind to prepare and recover from painful injury situations, this season has been PAINFUL to watch overall and that's with a winning record.

Melo was 26 when the Knicks got him. I don't see how you pass on an opportunity to get a guy that age that is that talented. In regards to Amare Phoenix thought he had two years left of playing at a productive rate when he became a free agent. Walsh signing Amare was a huge risk taken by a desperate guy. I believe Tyson was 28 when the Knicks got him and I think Grunwald saw Tyson as a huge piece to add to a title contending team.

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

I think the Knicks were sold on getting a second star and having the opportunity to get a guy like Melo was too good to pass up. Maybe Grunwald weighed the option of amnestying Billups to get Tyson vs saving the amnesty in case Amare broke down and decided the Knicks with Amare on a time line needed to go for it now. Amare was recovering from back not knee issues at the time so it didn't seem that an ending to his career was coming soon. The Knicks had had him for only one year on a five year deal so amnestying him at the time would have made the initial signing look ridiculous and I am sure the fan base would have been outraged.

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

you are absolutely right. it's a question of stockpiling talent versus finding core complementary players. even while deeply flawed, stoudemire was best-suited to work with a better point guard than felton eventually. the knicks were 28-26. felton clearly was not working and he would have been traded or let go after last season. i mean why does walsh only give him two years and 6-7 million other than as an audition, which if he fails you find a better point guard to work with stat? and if stat goes down then you still have a good point guard.

you make a commitment to building around one guy, stat. that means a great point guard is the priority, not melo! that didn't happen and here we are.

dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

you are absolutely right. it's a question of stockpiling talent versus finding core complementary players. even while deeply flawed, stoudemire was best-suited to work with a better point guard than felton eventually. the knicks were 28-26. felton clearly was not working and he would have been traded or let go after last season. i mean why does walsh only give him two years and 6-7 million other than as an audition, which if he fails you find a better point guard to work with stat? and if stat goes down then you still have a good point guard.

you make a commitment to building around one guy, stat. that means a great point guard is the priority, not melo! that didn't happen and here we are.

The best thing about commiting to just Stoudemire is that with the 14 weeks missed and the minutes restriction they would get a good pick in this years draft. The worst part would be the pick that went to Houston in the McGrady trade would have been a high lottery pick. Maybe if the Knicks built just around Amare with hopes of the 8th seed they save their amnesty.

I think Melo plays in Denver and then opts to get the knee drained. Just a feeling.

dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We defintely agree on the last point. Lost my favorite knick for $100mil uninsured Amare frickin Stoudamire. Only the knicks

How could someone who couldn't defend you be your favorite Knick? Just asking. Personally, I liked Jorts better. Hard nosed, rebounds and the occasional three. Great. I like guys who can't manage to stay in the league.

3G4G wrote:What we did was acquire players who had lots of mileage on them, namely Amar'e/Melo/Chandler. They had already given the best they've had of their careers to the rest of the league.

While good players and capable of putting together stretches of great play they were more than likely to decline than sustain or elevate their level of play during a full season as Knicks. Has anyone noticed Melo is getting injured more often and missing more games since acquiring him....Amar'e hadn't missed many games last 2yrs in Phx but has missed a near full season since we've acquired him as a Knick. Some of their performances have been downright awful. We also assembled teams around them with added pressure for them to perform above their means in terms of minutes and workload.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but given this logic, please explain the Celtics and their lone chip to me. And please don't say 'Rondo', because he's been injured almost as much as any of the others.

i THINK It is simple.. they were all playing near the top of their games.. not so much individually, but as a team.. and when you look at it.. garnet was much healthier than amare.. Pierce just a better overall player than carmelo.. we have nothing close on this team to what ray allen was then.. and when you add in guys like rondo.. well it is easy to see the difference.. And yes he was a difference maker, look at the finals box scores, he had a 16 assist game one time and then a 6 steal game another.. add in young guys like perkins, leon powe, tony Allen, and james posey, they had enough good young talent that produced..

But the point was the C's starphucques had individually had their best days behind them, right? I wasn't debating the fact we're older than the Providence Steamrollers.

So it's all about the right supporting pieces. Sounds simple.

But we knew the Knicks roster was structurally flawed when they added Melo to Amare and then threw Chandler into the mix. The Knicks just went for the best players they could get instead of following a recipe for building a team around a star with complementary players. I dont think you can compare the Knicks to the Celtics because the Knicks didnt even try to fill the roster out as a complete team while the Celtics did.

you are absolutely right. it's a question of stockpiling talent versus finding core complementary players. even while deeply flawed, stoudemire was best-suited to work with a better point guard than felton eventually. the knicks were 28-26. felton clearly was not working and he would have been traded or let go after last season. i mean why does walsh only give him two years and 6-7 million other than as an audition, which if he fails you find a better point guard to work with stat? and if stat goes down then you still have a good point guard.

you make a commitment to building around one guy, stat. that means a great point guard is the priority, not melo! that didn't happen and here we are.

Chris Paul but Dolan was impatient. With that said you'd still have to replace Amare who you can't replace because he swallows up half the cap and is barely on the court