Knicks · Melo's Legacy (page 3)

Now if he were to ever win a title here....it would put him above Messier and into the ranks of Jeter, Namath, etc.

I'm a huge fan of all 4 major sports, but there's nothing bigger than Knicks basketball in this town when the Knicks are contenders. I can't imagine how it would be if we won.

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

Why don't you clarify your position? What does In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question. mean? I take it if you were to put 2 guys on a pedestal, it'd be KG and Rondo. Me, being a diehard Knicks fan, see this as blasphemy. Rooting for the enemy always is. So what's your explanation, compadre?

NYKBocker wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

Kind of sad that the centerpiece of the best team we've been able to watch since the 1993-94 squad just buys him just another year, no?

SupremeCommander wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

Kind of sad that the centerpiece of the best team we've been able to watch since the 1993-94 squad just buys him just another year, no?

It is sad, but we are suffering Knick fans. You think if we go ECF this year and then exit out in the 1st or 2nd round next year would be acceptable? I think we go to the ECF this year then the acceptable goal next year will be going to the Finals. The 3rd year...you better win it all.

Im happy we made the playoffs. I did not dream of getting the 2nd seed after it was announced Amare was going to miss the beginning of the season.

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

Why don't you clarify your position? What does In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question. mean? I take it if you were to put 2 guys on a pedestal, it'd be KG and Rondo. Me, being a diehard Knicks fan, see this as blasphemy. Rooting for the enemy always is. So what's your explanation, compadre?

For those who are not reading challenged the explanation was already provided in my response to Papabear. And I don't really care whether you consider something blasphemy or not. He asked me a question which I answered.

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Papabear wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

As far as I can tell most of the fan base already idolizes him. I can also say for sure that I will NEVER idolize him, even he wins a ring or two. But that's just me, and I am not into idolizing overpaid diva types.

Papabear Says

Well who do you idolize?

Not too many people. But one of the key criteria for me to idolize someone is that they have to put their team ahead of their own personal goals or at the workplace they have to put their company ahead of their own chances of climbing the corporate ladder.

To me it seems MElo is more interested in being scoring champ or MVP than leading the Knicks to greatness, if the second happens it will be a byproduct of the first not the other way round.

In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question.

That's laughable. No way a real Knicks fan would even remotely consider idolizing Kevin Garnett or Rajon Rondo. Respect maybe, but not "idolize".

That's what you got from my post? LOL

Why don't you clarify your position? What does In the current NBA, I can maybe see myself iodlizing Kevin Garnett and Rondo. Not saying I do, just answering your question. mean? I take it if you were to put 2 guys on a pedestal, it'd be KG and Rondo. Me, being a diehard Knicks fan, see this as blasphemy. Rooting for the enemy always is. So what's your explanation, compadre?

For those who are not reading challenged the explanation was already provided in my response to Papabear. And I don't really care whether you consider something blasphemy or not. He asked me a question which I answered.

Oh well. If winning your favorite sports team a world championship doesn't command praise and adulation, then I guess nothing will.

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:Some of the people posting in this thread would rather lose with someone else like Gallo than win with Melo.

You have any quotes or evidence for that or is it just a mysterious feeling you have?

feeling insulted?

Silverfuel wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

agreed. we can discuss his legacy when he is no longer a knick.

Melo leads us to a championship this year his legacy will be cemented. He will be worshipped just like clyde messier jeter etc. All it takes is 1 ring.

This is the angle I am coming from. Not the negative angle that some are taking. Melo leads us to our first championship in 40yrs and his legacy is cemented and immortalized instantly. No need to wait til the end of his career. Every other accomplishment is just icing. We are not the lakers and celtics. All it takes is one ring

NYKBocker wrote:

simrud wrote:I think there are many pages to be written yet before we know what the ending/legacy is. Going way past this year. Example - say we get knocked out in the 2nd round by Indiana, but then come back better next year and win and so on. Legacies are funny things like that - they are very fluid up the very end.

True..but not getting to the ECF this year just makes it a lot harder for Melo. ECF at least will pacify everybody and buys him another year.

And this yr is our best shot with an aging veteran squad

I would just like to post a video to remind everybody about just some of what we've been missing.

"He's a man's man, and he's seen the light" -- on Isiah Thomas
"I can't teach all the children. It's impossible" --on his desire to help the kids
"That's my better ho...my better half" --when his wife called on his cell phone during the interview
"She's been praying for this day forever. And it finally happened yesterday when I kissed her. And I felt her body, and I felt her soul. I was delighted to be kissing her." --on his sister Stephanie

This is what we need to get back to.

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo's legacy hmm,

First Knicks playoff win in 11yrs
First Knicks 9-0 start in 20yrs
First time Knicks win 50 games in 10yrs
First Knicks division title in 20yrs
First Knicks scoring title in 30yrs
* Longest win streak in Knicks history?

Not much "Legacy" other than a pathetic knick history.

Its a really good season so far.

Looks more like a recovering addict.

"Went a month without a drink"
"didn't steal for 2 months"
"ate 3 square meals for first time in 4 years"
"Went to AA meetings"

Its nice, its a start.

Put that next to some other franchises and its a joke!

But, its a step in the right directions.

Naturally we don't make it out of 1st round its also "legacy".

Why celebrate something that has yet to happen?

AnubisADL wrote:Melo and Woodson have taken a band of geriatric misfits too the playoffs.Im happy we made the playoffs. I did not dream of getting the 2nd seed after it was announced Amare was going to miss the beginning of the season.

Its why Barkley was not so high on the team!

Woodson did a great job, melo stepped up, and the competition lacked to get the 2 seed.

WE are tied for 6th in the league, shows the strenght out west as barameter.

Im excited over the potential for the playoffs for the first time in a LOOOOOOOOOONg time!

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Winning a championship cures all ills and pre-conceived notions of a player. Everyone knows in NY, you win 1 title, you're sports gods without fault. Ask any member of the Yankees teams, the 86 mets, the 69 Jets, the Parcells Giants, the Knicks of the 70s, the 94 Rangers, the Coughlin Giants. You become immortalized.

Unless you're Arod!

Yes, but standards are much lower than they were for the '90s Knicks. My guess is that one ECF appearance will be enough for him to be idolized by most of the fan base.

Bernard King was idolized by numerous Knick fans. He has a second round appearance on his Knick resume along with a scoring title....Whats the difference?

babyKnicks wrote:

Anji wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Anji wrote:Lol, @ the thread fail.

It is good to see lowIQ has finished crying into his Lin jersey and is ready for the post season!!!!

What the hell are you talking about. This is a positive thread. Learn how to read

Take it easy brah, wasn't attack you or your thread.

yes you were. :)

It's kinda funny, like a peace walk ending with a riot.