Knicks · Can you guys please stop bashing novak (page 2)

Novak really has no one he can guard on Boston and they are taking full advantage. Maybe if/when we play the Heat he can get better minutes matched up with Miller or possibly Rashard Lewis.

Good point Andrew. A lot of this is based on match ups, and really, the Knicks best lineup against the playoff Celtics is 4 guards and 1 big man. The ball moves like lightning on offense, and we can stay in front of anyone on D. There isn't a Celtics big man that can make us pay in the post.

I think the eastern conference teams have figured out Novak. He's at his best when 1 or 2 other offensive players are rolling and defenses have no choice but to send over an extra defender. Novak might have a bigger impact if we make the finals. :)

technomaster wrote:Good point Andrew. A lot of this is based on match ups, and really, the Knicks best lineup against the playoff Celtics is 4 guards and 1 big man. The ball moves like lightning on offense, and we can stay in front of anyone on D. There isn't a Celtics big man that can make us pay in the post.

I think the eastern conference teams have figured out Novak. He's at his best when 1 or 2 other offensive players are rolling and defenses have no choice but to send over an extra defender. Novak might have a bigger impact if we make the finals. :)

if we make the Finals, then Novak will throw the westerns off their game

Andrew wrote:Novak really has no one he can guard on Boston and they are taking full advantage. Maybe if/when we play the Heat he can get better minutes matched up with Miller or possibly Rashard Lewis.

I agree, he really is useless in this series.

But maybe if the Knicks would push the tempo a little to throw Boston defense off guard, he could at least get some shots up.

knickscity wrote:

Andrew wrote:Novak really has no one he can guard on Boston and they are taking full advantage. Maybe if/when we play the Heat he can get better minutes matched up with Miller or possibly Rashard Lewis.

I agree, he really is useless in this series.

But maybe if the Knicks would push the tempo a little to throw Boston defense off guard, he could at least get some shots up.

There's a thought. If he becomes the second or third man down on the fast break, maybe he can walk into a pull up jumper. Somehow, he has got to become more effective.

Sangfroid wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Andrew wrote:Novak really has no one he can guard on Boston and they are taking full advantage. Maybe if/when we play the Heat he can get better minutes matched up with Miller or possibly Rashard Lewis.

I agree, he really is useless in this series.

But maybe if the Knicks would push the tempo a little to throw Boston defense off guard, he could at least get some shots up.

There's a thought. If he becomes the second or third man down on the fast break, maybe he can walk into a pull up jumper. Somehow, he has got to become more effective.

I like Novak more than most but it certainly was foolish to pay him based upon his production with . He makes mediocre players look better than they are and stars like Melo worse than they are... defies logic, really

SupremeCommander wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Andrew wrote:Novak really has no one he can guard on Boston and they are taking full advantage. Maybe if/when we play the Heat he can get better minutes matched up with Miller or possibly Rashard Lewis.

I agree, he really is useless in this series.

But maybe if the Knicks would push the tempo a little to throw Boston defense off guard, he could at least get some shots up.

There's a thought. If he becomes the second or third man down on the fast break, maybe he can walk into a pull up jumper. Somehow, he has got to become more effective.

I like Novak more than most but it certainly was foolish to pay him based upon his production with . He makes mediocre players look better than they are and stars like Melo worse than they are... defies logic, really

He's a specialist, don't ask him to guard anyone significant cause you know he can't, thats not his game.

I expect a player like melo who has the ball 70% of the time to avg 5 ast, he's making 20 mil a yr to shoot 42%.

were paying novak below the avg NBA salary in an era were the 3 ball is being taking 1 out of every 4 shots through out the league, and he's in the top 10 despite the touches he gets.

He is who he is, if he's use correctly you will benefit greatly, but since woody isn't close to being a offensive minded coach, you start bashing novak for not being able to create off the dribble, and defend crawford (jordan) that is..Don't give me a racing car and ask me to drive Mrs Daisey

I keep saying the only time novak is not appreciated is when the ball doesn't move and melo and J are iso heavy

Nalod wrote:Novak was 9th in 3pt shooting % this year.

In the real world his shots are not created but given by the defense. When defended the offense is given another option. He is both decoy and finisher.

His job is to hit a few shots and make the defense come to him which creates space.

4mm don't buy much in todays NBA. If you buy into "2nd seed, 1st place, etc etc" then it all adds up to the result.

Nice post. Agreed he is a great decoy. You have to honor Melo to the point of doubling him. JR is on fire. Park Novak at the three and most of your D is focused on 3 players. We still have 2 more choices at our disposal so this team is designed very intelligently.

I also see a common theme in players who have played together on different teams, and some who played with Melo. The chemistry has been resuscitated.

Best Lime of the Night

"Welcome to the series"

- Mike Woodson

Tried to pick out a list that about resembled Novak's $$$ or less
Out of the list, Kyle Korver resembles Novak in terms of size with much more around skill, physical abilities, and deserves much more $$ than Novak
But here are a bunch of shooters that brings much more to the table although they play different positions
Whether it is defense, handling the ball, penetration, speed/quickness, they are just much more productive players

Novak is a poor mans stretch 4, 1 dimensional shooter/player, most comparable to Jason Kapono in recent NBA history
It would have been much more cost efficient to have signed a vet min shooter like Kapono or a Peja Stojakavic (at his current age/injury) type of player to a vet min deal than give Novak
While utilizing that money with Camby's contract (along with the 2nd round picks) with a vet min player to having both a full MLE and Bi Annual Exemption to use

Still in the league, I could only think of Portlands, Luke Babbitt who is still under his rookie contract, which will likely be a vet min player

Kyle Korver
Ray Allen
JR Smith *not fair to put him on the list because he probably is the most cost effective player in the league*
Nate Robinson

Carlos Delfino
Danny Green

Randy Foye

Novak's value is closer to a vet min production than 3-4m
good for him, this will be his biggest contract for his family and him
In all fairness, he just does not have the ability to defend, he tries to box out most of the time and put a body in front of his man
But with no athletic ability *cannot dunk at 6-10* and no speed/quickness, it is almost impossible to be an consistant defender in the NBA or rebounder/shot bloc

Belinili
Terry *horrible year but had a very good career*ker in the league
Copeland
He also has no other skills like handle/passing/posting etc
Copeland deserves at min 2.5m for his ability to play C, post up/facilitate, handle/penetrate, and score whether in a starting lineup with *under average D*, or off the bench

Bonner and Kleiza are 2 players that make more than Novak but their contracts were given prior to the NEW CBA
I think both players are still more efficient when compared to Novak
Novak/Camby combined make 8-9m together, while they are vet min production

Novak's our most efficient scorer and we're struggling to get 90 points a game. You'd think Woodson would play him more. We'll need him deeper in the playoffs.

Bonn1997 wrote:Novak's our most efficient scorer and we're struggling to get 90 points a game. You'd think Woodson would play him more. We'll need him deeper in the playoffs.

with amare set to play in the 2nd rnd, your talking about a bench squad of

kidd
jr
novak..can't double amare
martin
Amare

thats a very solid bench which is better then every bench in the league without question..

If we stay healthy, skies the limit

misterearl wrote:Best Lime of the Night

"Welcome to the series"

- Mike Woodson

*Play on words*

The biggest Lemon of the night:

Paul Pierce

Stumble old man Stumble!!!!

What I liked about the 3s Novak hit was that they weren't icing on the cake. Novak hit shots that kept Boston from making a run. I had my doubts after this regular season, but if Novak can keep it up we'll be in good shape.

Novak gets way too much criticism on these boards- he's not meant to be an allstar, he's just meant to come off the bench and hit some 3s. Good to see him bouncing back from the first 2 games.

Yeah i dont think its fair to bash novak..hes so irrelevant now...on this team hes the 10th spot. It just sucks that he makes 4mill...for a player whos a reserve. I like novak but hes not that good

Bonn1997 wrote:Novak's our most efficient scorer and we're struggling to get 90 points a game. You'd think Woodson would play him more. We'll need him deeper in the playoffs.

Woodson would probably love to play him more if he wasn't such a liability on defense. But, how can he be considered the most efficient when he averages 5 shots a game? I'm sure other guys would be more efficient if they only shot wide open shots.

jaydh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Novak's our most efficient scorer and we're struggling to get 90 points a game. You'd think Woodson would play him more. We'll need him deeper in the playoffs.

Woodson would probably love to play him more if he wasn't such a liability on defense. But, how can he be considered the most efficient when he averages 5 shots a game? I'm sure other guys would be more efficient if they only shot wide open shots.

That's a reasonable question. The short answer is that despite numerous efforts over many years, no one has ever established that efficiency goes up as shot attempts go down. They are actually several lines of evidence against the theory. You can find a lot of them in the Wages of Wins journal (and Berri's books). Novak's defense is below average but his net production (strength on offense minus weaknesses on defense) is still excellent.

Didn't Dean Oliver have something about usage and efficiency

http://www.sfandllaw.com/Articles/What-W...
That's a good source on Oliver's view. He's pretty close to mine.

Papabear Says

This summer Novak needs to work driving to the basket and shooting of the dribble. Maybe he should take a look at some film on some great 3 point shooter who find a way to get free Like Reggie Miller.