Honest question:
Why is it that every time the homosexual subject is brought up, all examples assume the homosexual will make unwanted sexual approaches to everybody?
Do you guys impulsively hit on any girl and make them feel uncomfortable when approaching them? Why do we assume that from homosexuals?
What is there to fear about if you play "flesh on flesh" (more like fabric on fabric, but anyway) with a homosexual? The guy may just want to play basketball, nothing else. And if he does and you feel uncomfortable, talk it over and move on. If he doesn't stop, just go. But please let me remark that this behavior can happen with anybody and any sex as long as somebody feels uncomfortable.
The fact that some immediately assume the worst case scenario when discussing this subject is exactly why this has to be talked about.
Anyone here ever watch the White Shadow? They had an episode where one of the kids on the basketball was rumored to be gay and I always felt they didnt really address is correctly. It was an old show though.
DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote:blkexec wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:blkexec wrote:Actually I never been faced with such an issue. When it comes down to it, I would still guard him gay or not. But my issue is why does his sexual preference matter during a basketball game. The only reason I can think of is to cause a distraction.If its a chick with a nice body, yes I am easy.
If it's a dude thats gay, but I don't know it, I have no problems.
If it's a dude trying to make a scene that hes gay, either by what he's wearing or how he's acting, yes I have a problem with that.
But maybe I'm alone with this, so again excuse my ignorance.
Hypothetically, what about the gay dude who you only know is gay because of a casual mention, and not because of any stereotypical behavior.
He was your cover, is one of the best players on the court and is a good sportsman, and afterwards while talking about food/drinks after he says something like: "Raincheck, I have to pick up my husband from the train station, but good game, see you next week?"
Would you see him next week?
I don't care if he was MJ. He will be isolated from the majority. He would get pickef on so much, he would stop playing eventually to avoid the drama.
You would think being a homosexual was a terminal disease the way people offer "support." lol.
You do realize that people still get brutally beaten and murdered for their actual or perceived homosexuality, right?
Never heard of NBA or NFL players being beaten or murdered for being perceived as a homosexual.
Think they would be able to handle themselves?
Papabear Says
Have anyone ever seen the movie The Crying Game?? That movie in my opinion puts in question that we all have deep things in our lives and when we are faced with certain challenges no one really knows what we may or may not be attracted to. Here was a straight man being attracted to what he thought was a woman and he fell in love with her only to find out when he was about to have sex with her she was a he. He smacked her and walked out but guess what he broke down and came back and made love to him or say her. It then made no difference. What decision would you make and would you be considered bi-sexual?? you would have to see the movie.
playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote:blkexec wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:blkexec wrote:Actually I never been faced with such an issue. When it comes down to it, I would still guard him gay or not. But my issue is why does his sexual preference matter during a basketball game. The only reason I can think of is to cause a distraction.If its a chick with a nice body, yes I am easy.
If it's a dude thats gay, but I don't know it, I have no problems.
If it's a dude trying to make a scene that hes gay, either by what he's wearing or how he's acting, yes I have a problem with that.
But maybe I'm alone with this, so again excuse my ignorance.
Hypothetically, what about the gay dude who you only know is gay because of a casual mention, and not because of any stereotypical behavior.
He was your cover, is one of the best players on the court and is a good sportsman, and afterwards while talking about food/drinks after he says something like: "Raincheck, I have to pick up my husband from the train station, but good game, see you next week?"
Would you see him next week?
I don't care if he was MJ. He will be isolated from the majority. He would get pickef on so much, he would stop playing eventually to avoid the drama.
You would think being a homosexual was a terminal disease the way people offer "support." lol.
You do realize that people still get brutally beaten and murdered for their actual or perceived homosexuality, right?
Never heard of NBA or NFL players being beaten or murdered for being persevered as a homosexual.
Think they would be able to handle themselves?
We're really discussing whether he has a terminal disease or whether NBA players have been murdered?
BRIGGS wrote:Dagger wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
By coming out he empowers other gays that may love sports and dream of playing at a professional level but are scared of the stigma attached with that. This could potentially inspire to them follow their dreams and know that they do not have to hide because of their sexual preference. It is a much bigger deal than someone talking about being a firefighter, firefighters do not live in fear of discrimination, and are celebrated for their duty. The label of "firefighter" garners respect and admiration, it does not inspire the hatred that homosexuality elicits among some right wing circles. This is a pretty big deal. Earthshattering? No, but important.
If you're gay and like sports--play, it should not matter--this is ridiculous. Its not a story.
It should not matter but it does - You need to know what it's like to be discriminated against / humiliated/derided on a daily basis to appreciate why it's a big deal. What you said is the equivalent of telling a black man : If he is hungry he should go to a restaurant and eat (in a seggregated wite pre civil war neighborhood). Having said that I hope sincerely we as a country reach the state of conciousness you describe where it doesn't matter. Bu we have a long way to go.
People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.
Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
loweyecue wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Dagger wrote:BRIGGS wrote:You know what--this might be politically incorrect--but I do not care what Jason Collins is. Why doesnt he keep it to himself? Why should any person get commended for their personal sexuality preference--it makes n o sense. If he let everyone know he was a part time firefighter while he played in the NBA--bravo. What you do on your own time--I dont care --neither should anyone else. This is a nothing.
By coming out he empowers other gays that may love sports and dream of playing at a professional level but are scared of the stigma attached with that. This could potentially inspire to them follow their dreams and know that they do not have to hide because of their sexual preference. It is a much bigger deal than someone talking about being a firefighter, firefighters do not live in fear of discrimination, and are celebrated for their duty. The label of "firefighter" garners respect and admiration, it does not inspire the hatred that homosexuality elicits among some right wing circles. This is a pretty big deal. Earthshattering? No, but important.
If you're gay and like sports--play, it should not matter--this is ridiculous. Its not a story.
It should not matter but it does - You need to know what it's like to be discriminated against / humiliated/derided on a daily basis to appreciate why it's a big deal. What you said is the equivalent of telling a black man : If he is hungry he should go to a restaurant and eat (in a seggregated wite pre civil war neighborhood). Having said that I hope sincerely we as a country reach the state of conciousness you describe where it doesn't matter. Bu we have a long way to go.
It also ignores the psychological effects of staying in (or being forced to stay in) the closet.
playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
Why do you think our closest genetic relatives (bonobos and other primates) engage in homosexual behavior?
"Abnormal" or "unnatural" - whether in reference to homosexuality, interracial marriage, being married but not reproducing, or anything else - usually means nothing more than "it makes me uncomfortable" or "I don't like it."
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
Because people can get fed up with pretending to be someone they are not. I don't know if you realize it but you are basically preaching hypocrisy. If straight men have the right to be uncomfortable with gay men in the room then gay men just has as much of a right to come out and say who they are. Human rights are not designed to be a convenience for the majority, they are supposed to be equal for everybody.So it doesn't matter if you are 1 in 20 or 1 in 20,000. Why should gay men have to choose between hypocrisy and being persecuted for their sexual orientation at work?
Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
Why do you think our closest genetic relatives (bonobos and other primates) engage in homosexual behavior?
"Abnormal" or "unnatural" - whether in reference to homosexuality, interracial marriage, vegetarianism (we get told we're abnormal), or anything else - usually means nothing more than "it makes me uncomfortable"
Exactly. And it's not just primates that engage in homosexuality,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_..., it's found throughout and especially in mammals and birds.
Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
speaking on the subject and seeing how I agree with briggs 100%..
In most straight peoples mind, being gay is kinda of disgusting, especially men..
knicks1248 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
speaking on the subject and seeing how I agree with briggs 100%..
In most straight peoples mind, being gay is kinda of disgusting, especially men..
And? There was a time in this country, very recently, when the majority felt it was acceptable to hate and discriminate against racial minorities, religious minorities, and women. Just because a majority believes that hatred is acceptable doesn't make it so. And in the case of homosexuality the only recent polls I can find state that a slim majority of Americans support homosexuality, http://www.aei.org/outlook/politics-and-....
Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
Why do you think our closest genetic relatives (bonobos and other primates) engage in homosexual behavior?
"Abnormal" or "unnatural" - whether in reference to homosexuality, interracial marriage, vegetarianism (we get told we're abnormal), or anything else - usually means nothing more than "it makes me uncomfortable"
Abuse = abnormal use
Guys get the pipe forced on them in prison that's abnormal use, nothing natural about that.
playa2 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
Listening to some of this warped logic here, makes ya think they are trying to make a straight man feel like something is wrong with him. Thank Hollywood for that wanting men to be more feminine!
Whether he's gay or not gay, it obviously didn't affect his basketball playing skills so why even bother to tell the world?
What am I missing here?
A homosexual agenda seems to be the issue here.
He's not "courageous" at age 34, he's at the end of his 12 yr career.
This is my stance on this from the start. I have absolutely nothing against gay people and would have no problem playing against one on the court
I just think the fact that this is Jason Frickin Collins, who is an ex-Nyet, that I hated along with Richard Jefferson(always wondered about him) Jason Collins coming out now when he is on the verge of retiring is one of the lamest things I've ever heard. And then the stinkin media glorifying him for his courage when like Briggs said, how come he didn't come out at 22 before pocketing 25mm?
Then again it is his life and he can do as he pleases and all we can do is offer opinions.
Now back to the media which I despise more than anything...save the parade for when a relevant player comes out. Doesn't even need to be a star. However if it is a star he will prob risk losing endorsement deals, risk getting a contract and hate filled arenas especially in the bible belt.
Sometimes you have to endor these to breakthrough.
I don't know...Part of me agrees with the Don't ask Don't tell and it is not necessary to make your sexual orientation known in sport. I guess its different in the workplace
The other part of me understands that keeping it inside for all those years and hiding it from your teammates, some of which you have been close with since entering the league has to be extremely hard.
playa2 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
Why do you think our closest genetic relatives (bonobos and other primates) engage in homosexual behavior?
"Abnormal" or "unnatural" - whether in reference to homosexuality, interracial marriage, vegetarianism (we get told we're abnormal), or anything else - usually means nothing more than "it makes me uncomfortable"
Abuse = abnormal use
Guys get the pipe forced on them in prison that's abnormal use, nothing natural about that.
And women are raped by straight men also? What does rape have to do with this discussion?
gunsnewing wrote:playa2 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
Listening to some of this warped logic here, makes ya think they are trying to make a straight man feel like something is wrong with him. Thank Hollywood for that wanting men to be more feminine!
Whether he's gay or not gay, it obviously didn't affect his basketball playing skills so why even bother to tell the world?
What am I missing here?
A homosexual agenda seems to be the issue here.
He's not "courageous" at age 34, he's at the end of his 12 yr career.
This is my stance on this from the start. I have absolutely nothing against gay people and would have no problem playing against one on the court
I just think the fact that this is Jason Frickin Collins, who is an ex-Nyet, that I hated along with Richard Jefferson(always wondered about him) Jason Collins coming out now when he is on the verge of retiring is one of the lamest things I've ever heard. And then the stinkin media glorifying him for his courage when like Briggs said, how come he didn't come out at 22 before pocketing 25mm?
Then again it is his life and he can do as he pleases and all we can do is offer opinions.
Now back to the media which I despise more than anything...save the parade for when a relevant player comes out. Doesn't even need to be a star. However if it is a star he will prob risk losing endorsement deals, risk getting a contract and hate filled arenas especially in the bible belt.
Sometimes you have to endor these to breakthrough.
I don't know...Part of me agrees with the Don't ask Don't tell and it is not necessary to make your sexual orientation known in sport. I guess its different in the workplace
The other part of me understands that keeping it inside for all those years and hiding it from your teammates, some of which you have been close with since entering the league has to be extremely hard.
Generally that's a fair analysis. 12 years ago, maybe he wasn't ready to come out or he felt society wasn't ready to hear it (or both).
TeamBall wrote:Anyone here ever watch the White Shadow? They had an episode where one of the kids on the basketball was rumored to be gay and I always felt they didnt really address is correctly. It was an old show though.
Who cares if Jason Collins is gay? The majority of Americans think everyone is a human being first.
I have never understood why some people condone & celebrate how other people have sex by supporting them when they announce their sexual preference.
playa2 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Anyone here ever watch the White Shadow? They had an episode where one of the kids on the basketball was rumored to be gay and I always felt they didnt really address is correctly. It was an old show though.
Who cares if Jason Collins is gay? The majority of Americans think everyone is a human being first.
I have never understood why some people condone & celebrate how other people have sex by supporting them when they announce their sexual preference.
People are not supporting them for sexual behavior; they're supporting them for openly confronting discrimination and oppression.
Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
I always find this line of thinking humorous, as the homophobe usually believes all gay men lust after him
Maybe they can have a rule that gays are allowed in the NBA but they have to be guarded by other gay men. 
That is pretty funny how the assumption of lust is made.
You know what nobody had a problem with Britney Griner playing in the nba for this very reason. Surely if a gay man were to get aroused by contact the same would likely happen with Britney but like everything else no one has to know. So it really isn't that big an issue as long as everyones rights are respected just like a men and women respect each other even when animal instincts kick in
gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
I always find this line of thinking humorous, as the homophobe usually believes all gay men lust after him
Maybe they can have a rule that gays are allowed in the NBA but they have to be guarded by other gay men.
That is pretty funny how the assumption of lust is made.
You know what nobody had a problem with Britney Griner playing in the nba for this very reason. Surely if a gay man were to get aroused by contact the same would likely happen with Britney but like everything else no one has to know. So it really isn't that big an issue as long as everyones rights are respected just like a men and women respect each other even when animal instincts kick in
She may be attracted to men but she presumably doesn't have a dick.
