gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
I always find this line of thinking humorous, as the homophobe usually believes all gay men lust after him
Maybe they can have a rule that gays are allowed in the NBA but they have to be guarded by other gay men. 
That is pretty funny how the assumption of lust is made.
You know what nobody had a problem with Britney Griner playing in the nba for this very reason. Surely if a gay man were to get aroused by contact the same would likely happen with Britney but like everything else no one has to know. So it really isn't that big an issue as long as everyones rights are respected just like a men and women respect each other even when animal instincts kick in
She may be attracted to men but she presumably doesn't have a dick.
playa2 wrote:People are afraid of the unknown, then there are others who think men getting the "PIPE" from other men is normal.Our parents were normal that's how the earth is populated and you got here.
Sex is both pleasure and purpose. Everyone is wired differently. It is not inconceivable to believe that people engage in "gay/lesbian acts" for strictly pleasure with no emotional attachment whatsoever as animals/chimps
DrAlphaeus wrote:blkexec wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:blkexec wrote:Actually I never been faced with such an issue. When it comes down to it, I would still guard him gay or not. But my issue is why does his sexual preference matter during a basketball game. The only reason I can think of is to cause a distraction.If its a chick with a nice body, yes I am easy.
If it's a dude thats gay, but I don't know it, I have no problems.
If it's a dude trying to make a scene that hes gay, either by what he's wearing or how he's acting, yes I have a problem with that.
But maybe I'm alone with this, so again excuse my ignorance.
Hypothetically, what about the gay dude who you only know is gay because of a casual mention, and not because of any stereotypical behavior.
He was your cover, is one of the best players on the court and is a good sportsman, and afterwards while talking about food/drinks after he says something like: "Raincheck, I have to pick up my husband from the train station, but good game, see you next week?"
Would you see him next week?
I don't care if he was MJ. He will be isolated from the majority. He would get pickef on so much, he would stop playing eventually to avoid the drama.
Busting on one another is one thing... But that's a damn shame that if his sexual preference doesn't matter as you say he would be basically bullied away for a casual comment like that.
No...he would get his azz whooped for that comment. But thats neither here nor there. We live in a heterosexual dominating life. What I don't understand is that straight people are now the victims? What has this world come to?
Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
Ding...Ding...Ding.
Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.
The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.
I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.
blkexec wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
Ding...Ding...Ding.
Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.
The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.
I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.
should a gay female be aloud to walk around in a male locker room
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
Ding...Ding...Ding.
Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.
The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.
I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.
should a gay female be aloud to walk around in a male locker room
would a shemale be allowed to play pro hoops in the nba, eventually?
knicks1248 wrote:blkexec wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Andrew wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
Honest question for you Briggs. What makes you not want to play against a gay person? What are you afraid of?
I wouldnt want a gay person on me like that--thats MY right and preference--has nothing to do with being afraid. If Im an ignorant bad guy because I dont want a sweaty gay man on me--then Im a bad person.
Sure its your preference....I was looking for the "why"? There must be a why. Why does it make you uncomfortable? Have you thought deeply about that?
perhaps he thinks the man will automatically be attracted to him and getting sexual thrills out of the contact
Ding...Ding...Ding.
Turning on a gay man, is not a compliment.
The fact that there is such a big discussion about this is terrible.
I suggest all straight men start a partition to be aloud to walk free into any woman locker room. Since is similar to homosexuals walking around men locker rooms.
should a gay female be aloud to walk around in a male locker room
Personally, I don't care who walks around a mens locker room. As long as I have my own personal space.
Hey, if everybody in the world was gay, there wouldn't be a human race. So this is for everybody, please stop pulling the race card on this subject.
BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:VCoug wrote:playa2 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:playa2 wrote: Grown Insecure men will always feel uncomfortable in a locker room taking showers with gay men because men have big ego's insecurities thinking another man is checking them out.
Fixed that for you.
Being tolerable isn't being secure it just means you are tolerable to be in the shower with a grown ase man who is attracted to other men. Keep that to your self if it's normal for you
Nobody should have to keep their sexuality secret. And bigotry like yours is exactly why this is so important.
Yes, and if a guy feels uncomfortable in locker room, maybe that is his problem, not the gay person's problem. Perhaps he can shower after everyone has left the locker room if he's that terrified.
I never remember having to run around a locker room telling people about what I desire sexually. Why should anyone feel convicted of doing so? I can understand why a gay man would feel uncomfortable in a locker room--but there is nothing he can do about it. An overwhelming majority of men are straight and if you are 1 out of 20--you're just going to have to find ways to deal with it. One smart way is don't ask--don't tell. There is no absolute reason a person has to speak about sexuality. You go in--get dressed play hard--take a shower and go home. And to blindly believe that straight guys have to accept another man who is gay is also naive--they likely won't and they have the RIGHT to be uncomfortable with a gay man in the locker room. There is NOTHING wrong with being a gay person--but don't put that on anyone else's shoulders because they next guy has the RIGHT to be uncomfortable dressing and playing with a gay person.
No double standard though. You shouldn't allow anyone to discuss their heterosexual desires in the locker-room then.
Or you could outlaw all discussions of minority practices (e.g., no mention of religions other than Christianity)I wouldn't endorse either of those options though.
Honest question Bonn. If you *knew* a guy was gay and you were playing basketball with him(or any contact sport) where you were flesh to flesh sweaty--how would you feel. Im being honest when I would say I would not like it--I might not even play. If that makes me a crappy person that so be it. I would treat the person with dignity and respect off the court. On it--I dont feel comfortable going body to body with gay man--thats just me. But if I did not know the person was gay and he was--then play on. I really think dont ask dont tell is the correct position for younger gay men who are involved in sports where there is body to body contact. While understanding the gay person has the right to play--the straight man has the right to say I do not want to play with him. Jason Collin is getting lauded for this at the end of his career--does he make 25mm if he makes this announcement at 22? No way. He did not ask or tell and enjoyed a fine life--my bet.
your point of view presumes that the gay man's motive for playing basketball was primarily pursuit of sexual contact via a physical game, not merely love of sport that involves physical contact.
that presumption is a blatant form of prejudice.
this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...
You can't hide your race. For the most part, you know automatically what race a person is. Or I should say, you know if a person is white or non-white. So you can take most of the guessing out. And we have grown as a human race to try and except everybody as equal.
Homosexually is different, because there's no race or color associated with it. If all homosexuals had a certain look or a way to distinguish between gays and str8, then we wouldn't have this problem for this long. Most people (not all) would get over it and gays would be part of the normal population.
Unfortunately thats not the case. So we will continue to have these discussions for our entire lifetime, and most gays will continue to stay in the closet.
Heres an example, if most non-white people were able to look and act white, to avoid discrimination, then we will still be in a racist mind set, similar to todays homosexual discussion and anti-gay rallies..
My point is stop beating your head into the wall trying to change each others views. Just respect each others decisions about homosexuality and move on.
blkexec wrote:You can't hide your race. For the most part, you know automatically what race a person is. Or I should say, you know if a person is white or non-white. So you can take most of the guessing out. And we have grown as a human race to try and except everybody as equal.Homosexually is different, because there's no race or color associated with it. If all homosexuals had a certain look or a way to distinguish between gays and str8, then we wouldn't have this problem for this long. Most people (not all) would get over it and gays would be part of the normal population.
Unfortunately thats not the case. So we will continue to have these discussions for our entire lifetime, and most gays will continue to stay in the closet.
Heres an example, if most non-white people were able to look and act white, to avoid discrimination, then we will still be in a racist mind set, similar to todays homosexual discussion and anti-gay rallies..
My point is stop beating your head into the wall trying to change each others views. Just respect each others decisions about homosexuality and move on.
This is part of the problem: I have no respect for gaybashing and violence against sexual minorities, which is what your neither-here-nor-there ass whooping of our hypothetical gay baller seemed to condone, simply for a passing, non-sexual reference to his sexuality (his having a husband)
gunsnewing wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...
if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,
everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron
IronWillGiroud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...
if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,
everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron
dude, enough. If you have nothing to add, please don't.
martin wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...
if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,
everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron
dude, enough. If you have nothing to add, please don't.
how many times have you banned orangeblobman?
martin wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:gunsnewing wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:this isn't news, the big news will be when the big star like lebron or westbrook come out as gay
Next year will mark the defining moment. Either it will come out that Lebron is on HGH/Deer Antler/Steriods after drug testing or that he is gay. Stay tuned...
if lebron came out as gay, that would be earth shattering,
everyone would be then want to be gay if they are real fans of lebron
dude, enough. If you have nothing to add, please don't.
that's fair, that one is on me
Good for Twin for being a trailblazer.
I remember living down south when the Mike Piazza rumors came out and I can honestly say I couldn't have cared less either way. He was still the man. Yeah, it could be distraction. But these guys are professionals and they are paid to work and perform. If my team at work screws up, my boss doesn't want to hear it's because we had to work with a gay dude. Results are what matters.I don't necessarily want to hear about my coworkers exploits at the gay club. At the same time, I don't want to hear about my coworkers troubles with her husband at home, or his wild week getting high on crack etc. but you ignore that stuff. Same thing with a gay guy in the locker room. As long as he's not molesting players it shouldn't be an issue or an excuse. At the end of the day, everyone has a right to live.
After learning NBA center Jason Collins became the first active player from a major American team sport to come out as a homosexual, gay 15-year-old Kyle Morgan confirmed Monday that he still plans to buy a LeBron James Miami Heat jersey . . .
http://www.theonion.com/articles/gay-tee...
blkexec wrote:You can't hide your race. For the most part, you know automatically what race a person is. Or I should say, you know if a person is white or non-white. So you can take most of the guessing out. And we have grown as a human race to try and except everybody as equal.Homosexually is different, because there's no race or color associated with it. If all homosexuals had a certain look or a way to distinguish between gays and str8, then we wouldn't have this problem for this long. Most people (not all) would get over it and gays would be part of the normal population.
Unfortunately thats not the case. So we will continue to have these discussions for our entire lifetime, and most gays will continue to stay in the closet.
Heres an example, if most non-white people were able to look and act white, to avoid discrimination, then we will still be in a racist mind set, similar to todays homosexual discussion and anti-gay rallies..
My point is stop beating your head into the wall trying to change each others views. Just respect each others decisions about homosexuality and move on.
Its a very very tough position for a gay person--man much more so than female IMHO> They were born that way-its who they are. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a gay man or women. I think it is probably beneficial to all for a dont ask dont tell environment--especially while a person is young and just growing to understand who they are. Jason Collins is a 34 year old wealthy intelligent mature man who has the ability to come out and say I'm gay and get applauded like he did today. A 20 year old man who is just finding his way in the world might get a totally different reaction--it could really hurt his life. I don't believe Jason Collins did anything special today other than providing more encouragement for a gay man to come out of hiding if that is what he is doing to himself when his time is right--there I will give him credit. What does it do for the world on whole--not much and he'll end up making millions from it writing a book. OK topic done.
Knicksfan wrote:Honest question:Why is it that every time the homosexual subject is brought up, all examples assume the homosexual will make unwanted sexual approaches to everybody?
Do you guys impulsively hit on any girl and make them feel uncomfortable when approaching them? Why do we assume that from homosexuals?
What is there to fear about if you play "flesh on flesh" (more like fabric on fabric, but anyway) with a homosexual? The guy may just want to play basketball, nothing else. And if he does and you feel uncomfortable, talk it over and move on. If he doesn't stop, just go. But please let me remark that this behavior can happen with anybody and any sex as long as somebody feels uncomfortable.
The fact that some immediately assume the worst case scenario when discussing this subject is exactly why this has to be talked about.
Exactly, I think people seem to get sexuality mixed up with sleaziness. If you went to play basketball with another man and they started rubbing up against you for their own sexual gratification, that's not okay- they're being sleazy and making unwanted sexual advances, same as if you played basketball with a woman and started rubbing up against her it's not okay- it's nothing to do with the sexual preference, it's them being sleazy. Everyone has a right against being violated or harassed.
More heterosexual men behave in that way towards woman than gay men behave that way towards men, so should heterosexual men be banned from working with women? Of course not. Because it's nothing to do with sexual preference, it's about behaving appropriately and not being sleazy.
BRIGGS, how would you feel if you found out that every woman at work was actually fearful of working with you, worrying that you'd stand close to them, or rub up next to them in the elevator? That every time you went in a store, the female cashier became worried you were going to start making sexual advances on her? Having people always thinking that because of your sexuality, you are always going to a) hit on them and b) be unable to control yourself. What would you say to them?
