franco12 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Stay off this board until the draft.
And at some point, for me, its going to be stop investing emotional support into this franchise until its freed from the icy grip of Dolan.
wow, I said pretty much the exact same thing (with different words). Will definitely back off and continue to thank goodness I didn't waste my money on and Jersey's the last couple of years.
DurzoBlint wrote:franco12 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Stay off this board until the draft.
And at some point, for me, its going to be stop investing emotional support into this franchise until its freed from the icy grip of Dolan.
wow, I said pretty much the exact same thing (with different words). Will definitely back off and continue to thank goodness I didn't waste my money on and Jersey's the last couple of years.
I only have one jersey in my lineup, that's the Croatia national team 2012/2013 home jersey, and it does not have a name on the back.
I wear this to all sporting events
Knicks are in a win win situation.
If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
jrodmc wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games! At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.
Isn't that kind of irrelevant?
Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?
Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.
Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.
What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.
I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.
have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....
Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.
Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...
Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.
don't you see where your problem is.. you are more concerned with me liking gallo than trying to make a valid point... he is nothing like Bernard kingwho was the last bonafide scoring champion we had?
as a so called KNICK fan, why would that matter? we haven't won a title in 40 years, that is more important than some chucker who shoots low 40% and doesn't defend or pass... it is empty.. taking 35 shots to get 35 points.. if that floats your boat, then fine... but As knick fans, we should strive for more than that.. hero worship leave very little room for objectivity bro....
Hate leaves very little objectivity, either buddy.
How many chips did BK win? WTF are you talking about? Striving requirements? Shooting %? And your buddy's over there giving dance lessons in the other response.
Rather than completely change the subject, why don't you respond to the points I made?
The valid topic is comparison to BK. The valid points would be, where are the two players comparable as Knicks. Stick to the topic, you'll live longer.
Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.
Dispute them please. Then you might start making sense.
Bernard King and Melo arent really close as a similar player. Bernard was more athletic a way better slasher/finisher on the break. His bread and butter was really a low post turn around jumpshot that he hit at a remarkable rate--an unguardable shot. This is why Bernards FG% was so high--he was primarily a high % low block player slasher and finisher.
Melo on the other hand is more of a high volume jumpshooter who also uses dribble penetration and his strength to bully inside for shots and rebounds off shots. He had way more range and strength than BK--BK did not have a 3pt shot until he came back from injury but Melo's is part of his game. Really not close as players. Im 44 and I saw them both. Id like someone to disagree with me on this--becuase I might have to haev my glasses adjusted seeing that I have watched almost every Knick game since I was 6,
DurzoBlint wrote:they become the laughing stock of the league for being the first team to lose after being up 3-0...that's what happens.
Yep, and we never hear the end of it for years and years. Every announcer and writer we've hated, uses it to gloat everytime the Knicks are mentioned. It will be mentioned all through the draft, all through training camping camp and in EVERY season preview and offseason rating piece. It will be mentioned EVERY future playoff game and series we play for the next 20 years.
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo.
I thought we'd spent the last year and a half doing exactly that?
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
how is that a win win situation.. how do we rebuild with no picks and cap space for the next 2 years?
I am just blown away that this type of thinking exist.. it is really delusional... no offense bro..
BRIGGS wrote:jrodmc wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:Nalod wrote:jrodmc wrote:I will happily point to the fact we won three playoff games! At least Melo plays in the playoffs, contrary to all those we traded away/let go.
Isn't that kind of irrelevant?
Say was lose in 7 and Denver loses in 6, you think that it matters?
Denver loses after winning 57 games might sting for its fans, but this ain't about them, its about Knicks.
Is it irrelevant to all the "All we've got to show for Melo is one playoff win" posts? The man shows up. Three years running. Melo don't need no fuhhucking percentages.
What's irrelevant is Denver. Denver is irrelevant. Gallo is irrelevant. Moz is irrelevant. I could say Wilson is irrelevant, but I don't have the ambition required to go look up his impact on their series so far.
I am a Knicks fan. I love our Starphuqched Mooby and all his bully ball killer quarters BK channeling talent. Beats the crap out of spending my life wondering how to pay Faried to stay in nowhere land. IMHO.
have you ever watched king play? he shot over 50% he may be channeling Burger king.. but not Bernard king... sorry bro.. not sure why that comparison keeps coming up....
Watched King several times, and watched both of the back to backs in their beautiful entirety. You don't see similarities or any basis for comparison because you're blinded watching Italy's brightest son.
Explain to me, even as a registered hater, who was the last bonafide scoring champion we had? I suppose you can remind me of lots of people on the knicks scoring 30-40 regularly? I forget...
Ease up tkf. Your personal demon hasn't blown the series yet.
don't you see where your problem is.. you are more concerned with me liking gallo than trying to make a valid point... he is nothing like Bernard kingwho was the last bonafide scoring champion we had?
as a so called KNICK fan, why would that matter? we haven't won a title in 40 years, that is more important than some chucker who shoots low 40% and doesn't defend or pass... it is empty.. taking 35 shots to get 35 points.. if that floats your boat, then fine... but As knick fans, we should strive for more than that.. hero worship leave very little room for objectivity bro....
Hate leaves very little objectivity, either buddy.
How many chips did BK win? WTF are you talking about? Striving requirements? Shooting %? And your buddy's over there giving dance lessons in the other response.
Rather than completely change the subject, why don't you respond to the points I made?
The valid topic is comparison to BK. The valid points would be, where are the two players comparable as Knicks. Stick to the topic, you'll live longer.
Scoring champion.
Prolific scorer.
Tremendous finisher.
Bona fide star.
#1 option for the team.
Dispute them please. Then you might start making sense.
Bernard King and Melo arent really close as a similar player. Bernard was more athletic a way better slasher/finisher on the break. His bread and butter was really a low post turn around jumpshot that he hit at a remarkable rate--an unguardable shot. This is why Bernards FG% was so high--he was primarily a high % low block player slasher and finisher.
Melo on the other hand is more of a high volume jumpshooter who also uses dribble penetration and his strength to bully inside for shots and rebounds off shots. He had way more range and strength than BK--BK did not have a 3pt shot until he came back from injury but Melo's is part of his game. Really not close as players. Im 44 and I saw them both. Id like someone to disagree with me on this--becuase I might have to haev my glasses adjusted seeing that I have watched almost every Knick game since I was 6,
Briggs, I am just slightly younger than you, and I saw bernard in person, and his first game as a knick..
they are not close at all, you hit the nail on the head with that post..
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
Once again, love Melo (hate that I have to preface this every time) but if he keeps up his poor performance he may not be the one to build around.
TeamBall wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
Once again, love Melo (hate that I have to preface this every time) but if he keeps up his poor performance he may not be the one to build around.
What are you realistically expecting Melo to do in this situation? Not shoot.
We dont have the pieces to get by Boston without production from the other guys. Plain and simple. Kidd, Novak, and the rest of the bench have been a no show this series.
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
AnubisADL wrote:TeamBall wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
Once again, love Melo (hate that I have to preface this every time) but if he keeps up his poor performance he may not be the one to build around.
What are you realistically expecting Melo to do in this situation? Not shoot.
We dont have the pieces to get by Boston without production from the other guys. Plain and simple. Kidd, Novak, and the rest of the bench have been a no show this series.
Hes not playing well. Its as simple as that. I havent given up on him nor am I rooting against him. Im just acknowledging that hes playing badly.
Panos wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
I don't think English is Anubis's first language, he might not understand that a 'win-win' situation means that you will win either way
Panos wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
It wouldnt be a full rebuild. We already have Melo.
We will have cap space summer 2015. As I said Chandler, Shumpert, and Felton have value.
IronWillGiroud wrote:Panos wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
I don't think English is Anubis's first language, he might not understand that a 'win-win' situation means that you will win either way
If you read the full post, it looks like he meant it that way though. I'm as mind-boggled as the rest of us. We have to at least make it out of the leastern conference for the season to be a success. We knew what the Heat had - we shouldn't have gone in this direction if we didn't think we could take them on.
Panos wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
lol, that is what I was asking him...
Bonn1997 wrote:IronWillGiroud wrote:Panos wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Knicks are in a win win situation. If the Knicks blow this series we retool around Melo. We have the pieces to get better.
How on earth is another rebuild with no assets a "win"?
I don't think English is Anubis's first language, he might not understand that a 'win-win' situation means that you will win either way
If you read the full post, it looks like he meant it that way though. I'm as mind-boggled as the rest of us. We have to at least make it out of the leastern conference for the season to be a success. We knew what the Heat had - we shouldn't have gone in this direction if we didn't think we could take them on.
As I said before bonn, and will say it again.. If someone is fighting you with the Biggest and best gun out, you don't go and get the 10th best gun, heck I will take it a step further, you don't get the second best gun.. you better find alternate ways to beat him....
Yes. The Knicks should just tank until Lebron retires.
AnubisADL wrote:Yes. The Knicks should just tank until Lebron retires.
Just might have to. Same as how we had to wait for Jordan to retire twice in order to get to the finals
franco12 wrote:Solace wrote:VCoug wrote:Solace wrote:If we blow this series, I think listening to Colin Cowherd will be impossible forevermore....
It isn't impossible already?
Nearly. Colin makes some good points at times, and he has a way with words. On the other hand, with a lot of his analysis, it becomes questionable whether he watches the NBA at all or just reads statistics. Usually he pisses me off and I switch to WFAN for a while when he's on.
"The Knicks need to create more shots for Tyson Chandler." Huh? How do you create shots for someone whose only move is to dunk? 
By running more motion in your offense!
Seriously- Chandler is limited, but teams continue to struggle to defend the pick and roll with him and Felton.
We're loosing because every play has become clear out and watch Melo! And he's just not LeBron!
Yes, but that's different than the point Colin made. I agree with ball movement and people not standing around. Colin advocates Tyson Chandler SHOOTING and Kenyon Martin SHOOTING. Creating easy layups and dunks, I agree with. But if they don't have a shot and there's 7 seconds left on the clock, it's totally legitimate for Melo to get the ball and make something happen.
But in general, yes, the Knicks run too many isos. They play better when they don't overuse the iso.
